1.8TSI and 2.0TSI engine failures

[DGW]

I am very sorry to hear that. Were there any warning signs beforehand and when and how did it fail, eg when starting from cold? And who is the extended warranty provider?

[Wardy-]

Cheers mate.

No warning signs at all, incredibly worrying! Just parked the car up, went to work and tried starting it again and nothing. Massive engine rattle and then further attempts to turn it over.. Nothing.

Extended warranty as in the 1 year warranty you get when buying a used vehicle.

Just been told they want to do a few checks on the vehicle so apparently that's a good sign for my claim. To be honest they'res no way I'm paying anything whilst under warranty and if there are any problems il throw the sales of goods act crap at them!

[DGW]

Before I include details of this failure in the growing list in the first post, can I ask if you bought the car from a Skoda dealer and whether it has a full Skoda (or other) service history?

[Wardy-]

Yep was purchased from Abergele skoda in Wales. The service history.. No, didn't go to skoda as the previous owner lived a long way from any dealer apparently, but did have a full history

Edited 17 October, 2014 by Wardy-

[JB-)]

My brother has bought my vRS and he's decided to get the chain and tensioner changed as a precaution. TPS have confirmed that the oil pump chain has changed part number so may well be modified (although they can't confirm that). Whilst it's all stripped he's replacing the oil pump chain too. Just something for others to consider.

[Wardy-]

Some good news... Engine replacement and all parts being covered under the warranty ! Result.

Still going to be driving the 90bhp diesel rapid space back for a few weeks longer, but there we go!

[AJ7788]

Have booked my car in to have a new timing chain tensioner, chain, new tensioner on the oil pump as well as new chain and everything that goes along with that. Unfortunately can't get time off until January so will be happening on the 5th

[DGW]

I really don't see the point of changing the oil pump drive chain. That chain is the shortest of the 3 at the front of the engine, and does not need a hydraulically damped system due to the low dynamic load, Instead a polyamide slide rail is used to locate and tension the chain, with the tension produced by a mechanical spring. Changing it is likely to significanty increase costs as the sump has to be removed. But if you do go that route, shouldn't you replace the balance shaft gear chain as well as that is longer and has a hydraulic tensioner?

[JB-)]

The sump doesn't have to be removed to replace the oil pump chain.

[AJ7788]

I really don't see the point of changing the oil pump drive chain. That chain is the shortest of the 3 at the front of the engine, and does not need a hydraulically damped system due to the low dynamic load, Instead a polyamide slide rail is used to locate and tension the chain, with the tension produced by a mechanical spring. Changing it is likely to significanty increase costs as the sump has to be removed. But if you do go that route, shouldn't you replace the balance shaft gear chain as well as that is longer and has a hydraulic tensioner?

 

Hasn't affected the cost that much really. Just been advised while we are that far with changing the other bits then might as well change the oil pump chain and tensioner as well

[DGW]

Good news about not needing to remove the sump. I had a quote for £1100+ from a Skoda dealer who recommended changing the balance shaft gear chain along with the timing chain etc but made no mention of the oil pump chain. I don't recall reading of any problems with the latter.

[Wardy-]

Got a call today to confirm the car's now all fixed, engine done and extra work  Can't wait to get back in it!

 

Asked for details on all the repairs that were required, but apparently there's about 2 pages so i'll find out later when I pick it up!  If it's a new engine, does the petrol TSI require a run in period?

[JB-)]

Got a call today to confirm the car's now all fixed, engine done and extra work  Can't wait to get back in it!

 

Asked for details on all the repairs that were required, but apparently there's about 2 pages so i'll find out later when I pick it up!  If it's a new engine, does the petrol TSI require a run in period?

 

You'd probably be fine just driving normally but really, any new engine needs running in (in fact all moving parts bed in not just engine parts). Just don't rev the nads off it for a 1000 miles or so, and don't just sit on a motorway, and you'll be fine. If it were mine I'd use up to around 4k revs for 500 miles or so and then gradually increase it. Main thing is don't labour it or red line it everywhere. 

[blackspaven]

Jesus, I barely get to 4000 revs ever! I've always been told to keep it below 2500 for the first 500 miles and I've never had a problem. Even if it isn't correct and you can actually give it more oomph, it can't hurt to pamper it that way.

[JB-)]

Even if it isn't correct and you can actually give it more oomph, it can't hurt to pamper it that way.

 

There's no need to keep as low as 2.5k. It will do more good to give it a few revs and work it a bit. The aim is to work it but don't thrash it or labour it. Having said that, I suggested 4k revs as a maximum rather than a target!

[Wardy-]

You'd probably be fine just driving normally but really, any new engine needs running in (in fact all moving parts bed in not just engine parts). Just don't rev the nads off it for a 1000 miles or so, and don't just sit on a motorway, and you'll be fine. If it were mine I'd use up to around 4k revs for 500 miles or so and then gradually increase it. Main thing is don't labour it or red line it everywhere. 

 

Ok thanks for the comment.

 

Thankful for the extended warranty - the invoice cost was around £5k and i'm told this would have been more if it was a Retail payment!

[mhr]

Dead 2011 Skoda Octavia Scout 1.8TSI - 85,000 miles (out of warranty on miles but under 3 years).

 

Garage: "Spark plug has melted and bits have fallen into cylinder which is seriously scored inside".

Me: "Could this be caused by the slipping timing chain known fault?".

Garage: "I've never heard of the timing chain slipping in the 1.8TSI plus you have missed a service so Skoda won't offer any goodwill".

 

On longlife servicing, I do not recall the car asking for a service. I wouldn't have just ignored it forever!?!?

I do recall a service light coming on some time after a previous service and being surprised. I took the car back and someone just came out with a computer, plugged in and reset something. Could this have caused it to not ask for a service when next due?

 

Can anyone offer any advice on similar cases? Known issues? How to approach Skoda? Or anything I can do?

Many Thanks,

M.

 

SKODA UK ARE AWESOME.......!!!! I asked, they responded.

Whether I should shout about it or not, I don't know. I think they have been generous and I wouldnt want to give others false hope but it got me out of a difficult spot which I can't even begin to describe.

Support from UK Customer Services has been bizzare. I say that as it has become unusual nowadays to get the feeling that the provider cares, is interested or is really trying. NOT WITH SKODA!!!

Instead of me chasing them, they are doing ALL the legwork. I get regular updates and they are also constantly contacting the garage and making sure I am being directly informed about what is going on.

It's a shame this feels unusual, but it is genuinely OUTSTANDING support!!

I can't thank them enough.

Very very happy customer (so much so that I crumpled on the phone and made an idoit of myself!!!)

[Gti Jazz Blue]

Great to hear mhr that Skoda UK are stepping up and taking responsibility.  :clap:

[Wardy-]

Great to hear mhr that Skoda UK are stepping up and taking responsibility.  :clap:

 

Yeh I have to say I was very impressed with the service I received in the last month with my engine failure

[JM VRS]

Another 2.0L VrS failure...

2010 FL, 37,000 miles, full Skoda service history.

Got to work yesterday morning as normal, came out at lunchtime to get something to eat, engine just sounded like it was turning over without firing - engine management and EPC lights on !

Called AA and their diagnostics pulled up codes P2015, P2296. AA guy said it sounded like there was no compression (heart sinks!!!). Got the car recovered to local Skoda dealer who called me later in the afternoon to tell me the timing chain had jumped.

At this point I reminded the dealer to check their service record for my car as I left it with them in January 2014 ? (need to check date) to check for this very problem after reading these threads and having the odd rattly start. The car was returned at the time with no faults found! The dealer at the time said he was unaware of any failures, issues with the tensioner and didn't know of any revisions. He pretty much implied not to believe what you read on the Internet!

After I explained about the above service visit, I was called back a few minutes later to be told that Skoda would make a 'contribution' to the repairs but they needed my authority to start the strip down. I have told the dealer to explain the scale of the contribution before anything is touched (waiting to hear back this morning).

In the meantime, exploring legal side as the car is fully serviced by them and I have told them I was worried this may happen due to the cars rattly start (normally after standing for a while but intermittent).

[sdwilliams72]

As another 2010 owner, please keep us up to date with as much info as you can. 

Good luck sorting out the issue

 

Steve

[Wardy-]

Another 2.0L VrS failure...

2010 FL, 37,000 miles, full Skoda service history.

Got to work yesterday morning as normal, came out at lunchtime to get something to eat, engine just sounded like it was turning over without firing - engine management and EPC lights on !

Called AA and their diagnostics pulled up codes P2015, P2296. AA guy said it sounded like there was no compression (heart sinks!!!). Got the car recovered to local Skoda dealer who called me later in the afternoon to tell me the timing chain had jumped.

At this point I reminded the dealer to check their service record for my car as I left it with them in January 2014 ? (need to check date) to check for this very problem after reading these threads and having the odd rattly start. The car was returned at the time with no faults found! The dealer at the time said he was unaware of any failures, issues with the tensioner and didn't know of any revisions. He pretty much implied not to believe what you read on the Internet!

After I explained about the above service visit, I was called back a few minutes later to be told that Skoda would make a 'contribution' to the repairs but they needed my authority to start the strip down. I have told the dealer to explain the scale of the contribution before anything is touched (waiting to hear back this morning).

In the meantime, exploring legal side as the car is fully serviced by them and I have told them I was worried this may happen due to the cars rattly start (normally after standing for a while but intermittent).

 

As above, good luck with the fixing. Have you got a warranty on the vehicle?

 

This happened to me in the last few weeks and it literally can just happen without any signs or notice, so it can't be pre-diagnosed. Mine happened when i turned it on so that will tell you how crazy it is...

Edited 13 November, 2014 by Wardy-

[JB-)]

At this point I reminded the dealer to check their service record for my car as I left it with them in January 2014 ? (need to check date) to check for this very problem after reading these threads and having the odd rattly start. The car was returned at the time with no faults found! The dealer at the time said he was unaware of any failures, issues with the tensioner and didn't know of any revisions. He pretty much implied not to believe what you read on the Internet!

 

It's not possible to predict these failures. However there most certainly were revised chains and tensioners in January. There have been several revisions, although if you've been following this thread you would have know that already. Your only option would have been to have it changed as a preventative measure, which given it was rattling I would have done personally. You may be able to argue that you reported the rattly starts and perhaps the dealer should have advised you to have the parts replaced as the rattling isn't normal, but to be fair to the dealer if they hadn't seen any failures before they were probably working in your best interest. Ordinarily a bit of a chain rattle now and again at start wouldn't be such a big deal, and I can understand them saying it was OK. it's just that these engines are a cause concern but if they weren't aware it's not their fault. Perhaps if they had looked in to it a bit more they would have found that the parts have been revised, and that SUK have paid out for previous claims so maybe you can point that out. Good luck with this, I hope you get a positive outcome.

[willdaVRs]

I too own a 2010 model with just under 35k and full service history. x3 skoda including tomorrow's service & 1 vag specialist (previous owner).. has anyone successfully got skoda UK to pay for the new revised tensioner/chain before the engine dies? How much does this cost.

Ps. Keep us updated

[AJ7788]

I too own a 2010 model with just under 35k and full service history. x3 skoda including tomorrow's service & 1 vag specialist (previous owner).. has anyone successfully got skoda UK to pay for the new revised tensioner/chain before the engine dies? How much does this cost.

Ps. Keep us updated

 

Doubt very much Skoda UK will pay out before it dies.

I am getting mine replaced to latest revisions on the 5th of January and cost is £640.73 inc VAT and fitting.