Avant, Shooting Brake, Tourers (aka Hearse).

 

The dog has a bit more headroom in the estate I guess and can see out.

 

Estates can be more aeodynamic in some models, the transom (not hansome) stern.

Of all the people I know who have estates, they are all men. Female partners may drive them, but they are always referred to as 'the husbands car' etc. So I wonder if it is this that makes financial sense to the manufacturer to build a fast estate, working on the premise that most fast cars are bought by men, men like estates, ergo a VW R Estate is a winner?

 

It might similar to all the big SUVs with super light controls. Woman like SUVs possibly more than men and a light and easy to control SUV may be a winner.

I know lots of Estate and Avant drivers who are female and it is their vehicles bought for them to drive,

mostly because of their hobbies and work requirements.

Normal jobs and leisure activities, eg cycling, canoe/kayaking, skiing, horse riding, dogging etc.

, dogging etc.

 

 

 

If you will accept that most then, are bought by men, it makes me wonder further......

 

There are plenty of fast large estates, epitomised by cars like the mighty AMG estates and beautiful shooting brakes too (also big), but there isn't really much choice in the smaller car size if you want performance and space. Vauxhall and Ford have dabbled with fast estates, but we are now in an era where over the last 2-3 years a plethora of 300BHP+ hatchbacks have appeared. And I can't think there are any proper estate versions of any of them. There is a bigger S3 variant and Merc do a CLA shooting brake (horrendously expensive) but off the top of my head I can't think of any that fit the budgets of most of us. No 1 series, S3 or A Class estate variants even on the horizon afaik.

 

So perhaps VW have stolen a march and tapped into one of the very few specialist areas that is currently barren. The 300+bhp hatchback estate. Could be a winner for many reason if no one follows VW

Seat Leon Cupra ST 280,

VW Golf GTD Estate,

Golf R Estate,

Skoda Superb 280 ps AWD Estate

Ford Focus ST Estate petrol

Ford Focus ST Estate diesel

 

A few there to choose from just from VAG & Ford.

Volvos and Subaru also,

without even going to Merc, BMW, Jaguar

Seat Leon Cupra ST 280,

VW Golf GTD Estate,

Golf R Estate,

Skoda Superb 280 ps AWD Estate

Ford Focus ST Estate petrol

Ford Focus ST Estate diesel

 

A few there to choose from just from VAG & Ford.

Volvos and Subaru also,

without even going to Merc, BMW, Jaguar

I was saying 300+bhp in smaller hatchbacks and that bhp figure is only going to go up too

 

now we have Merc producing cars with 355bhp

 

 

I suppose there might be the left field option of an Impreza WRX STI RB5 Rocket assist estate, but there isn't much else. As I said, manufacturers have and  are making fast estates, but many of them seem to be fads and never really take off. The Seat which is almost 300bhp might be an exception. But I think 300bhp is now the accepted minimum for bar room Top Trumps and that's why I picked the number (even if it is PS and not proper Neddy power). it seems to me, VW might have caught the others napping, it has a high profile car ® and will make it into an estate. Cake and eat it??

more legs than the Duracell bunny this thread. You are aware this is a SKODA forum, right? :wonder:

more legs than the Duracell bunny this thread. You are aware this is a SKODA forum, right? :wonder:

Yup, it's in general car chat. It's even On Topic I think. 

more legs than the Duracell bunny this thread. You are aware this is a SKODA forum, right? :wonder:

Glad that you continue to visit the topic, so as to get your update fix.

Remember, some of us do have Skoda still in our DNA. Might even be a trace in the R.

Enjoy!

Of all the people I know who have estates, they are all men. Female partners may drive them, but they are always referred to as 'the husbands car' etc. So I wonder if it is this that makes financial sense to the manufacturer to build a fast estate, working on the premise that most fast cars are bought by men, men like estates, ergo a VW R Estate is a winner?

It might similar to all the big SUVs with super light controls. Woman like SUVs possibly more than men and a light and easy to control SUV may be a winner.

Mrs Furbytom has a Fabia vRS Estate... ;-)

To be fair she preferred the looks of her previous vRS Hatch but accepts just how useful the much bigger boot has been.

I'd love to get her to swap to a golf R estate but I think she will say it's too big when she sees it. I took her to see a Leon ST the other day when we were passing by our local dealer and she thought it looked massive. And I think the Golf and Leon estates are the same size/length?

Mrs Furbytom has a Fabia vRS Estate... ;-)

To be fair she preferred the looks of her previous vRS Hatch but accepts just how useful the much bigger boot has been.

I'd love to get her to swap to a golf R estate but I think she will say it's too big when she sees it. I took her to see a Leon ST the other day when we were passing by our local dealer and she thought it looked massive. And I think the Golf and Leon estates are the same size/length?

Unlucky Tom, looks like your sales pitch didn't work.

New search begins? Or enjoy what she has,a fun package which is fairly rare.

Unlucky Tom, looks like your sales pitch didn't work.New search begins? Or enjoy what she has,a fun package which is fairly rare.

I think she wants to get back into a hatch again for her next car. Which might be doable to be fair. Now the nipper is getting abit bigger and more independent the larger boot gets used to max capacity less and less. In fact it's rear legroom that we could do with more...to stop him kicking the back of the seat lol! A Golf/Leon size hatch might just fit the bill afterall but we'll see. I'm currently in no rush to swap. I'd like to keep the furby at least until the end of this year and go past the 2-yr ownership point.

What are the odds of me going through the whole of 2015 with no new motor purchased? Lol. If I can be a good boy and hold out who knows I might be able to justify upgrading the M135i to an M2 next year.... :-)

 In fact it's rear legroom that we could do with more...to stop him kicking the back of the seat lol!

 

I was going to suggest the MKIII Octavia as it has the most rear leg room of the MQB trio.......but then remembered that it's 100mm longer in both body styles than my Golf estate...........doh.......

 

....how about a Golf SV?........................same wheelbase length as the Octavia but only 4.338M long............MKI Fabia is 3.970M, & Octavia is 4.659M.........and it has sliding rear seats........good to drive & in GT spec has the lower sports suspension, so less roll.............almost bought one instead of the estate......................just need the extra length for the skis, as they touch your elbows in the SV

I think she wants to get back into a hatch again for her next car. Which might be doable to be fair. Now the nipper is getting abit bigger and more independent the larger boot gets used to max capacity less and less. In fact it's rear legroom that we could do with more...to stop him kicking the back of the seat lol! A Golf/Leon size hatch might just fit the bill afterall but we'll see. I'm currently in no rush to swap. I'd like to keep the furby at least until the end of this year and go past the 2-yr ownership point.

What are the odds of me going through the whole of 2015 with no new motor purchased? Lol. If I can be a good boy and hold out who knows I might be able to justify upgrading the M135i to an M2 next year.... :-)

Sounds like R4OO time, to me Tom. Or Ford Focus RS or Audi RS3 .(Honda Type R -that's a no then)

May be an uprated / face lifted R!!

Edited 6 April, 201511 yr by vrskeith

I was going to suggest the MKIII Octavia as it has the most rear leg room of the MQB trio.......but then remembered that it's 100mm longer in both body styles than my Golf estate...........doh.......

 

....how about a Golf SV?........................same wheelbase length as the Octavia but only 4.338M long............MKI Fabia is 3.970M, & Octavia is 4.659M.........and it has sliding rear seats........good to drive & in GT spec has the lower sports suspension, so less roll.............almost bought one instead of the estate......................just need the extra length for the skis, as they touch your elbows in the SV

I quite like the idea of a GOlf SV but don't think SWMBO would fancy it. Probably not enough pace for her liking lol! She's also not a fan of MPV or SUV styling, it pains her enough to be driving an estate. She's so vain haha.

Interesting comparison stats from reviews of Rmk6 and Rmk7

 

Improvement and bang for your buck!

 

Car Mag.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/volkswagen/vw-golf-r-2010-review/  £30,090

 

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/volkswagen/vw-golf-r-2014-review/ was £29,900 launch,now £30150.

 

Just wish Kacher would do a new review, 12 months on, and  on UK roads.

Love golfs, but they're just too expensive for what you get in them.

Interesting comparison stats from reviews of Rmk6 and Rmk7

 

Improvement and bang for your buck!

 

Car Mag.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/volkswagen/vw-golf-r-2010-review/  £30,090

 

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/volkswagen/vw-golf-r-2014-review/ was £29,900 launch,now £30150.

 

Just wish Kacher would do a new review, 12 months on, and  on UK roads.

Jonno02,

Going by this, 4 years on they are cheaper.Where as say the Skoda Octavia(MK2 -MK3) has risen quite considerably.

I quite like the idea of a GOlf SV but don't think SWMBO would fancy it. Probably not enough pace for her liking lol! She's also not a fan of MPV or SUV styling, it pains her enough to be driving an estate. She's so vain haha.

 

You are buggered then!............................

 

So back to the R hatch then?.........  .........TBO when I test drove the estate the car was parked between a couple of others & you couldn't see the full length & my mum who was with me at the time (I have to care for her so she has to get in & out) asked why I was test driving the hatch!........

So best to expose her to the estate in this way as basically the estate is the hatch with just 1ft added after the hatch rear bumper.........

 

Oh & make sure it's either a GT, GTD, or R as the lowered sports suspensions DOES make it look lower/sleeker & more stylish than the standard suspension.

Edited 6 April, 201511 yr by fabdavrav

Oh & make sure it's either a GT, GTD, or R as the lowered sports suspensions DOES make it look lower/sleeker & more stylish than the standard suspension.

GT - 10mm lower than standard

GTi - 15mm lower than standard

R - 20mm lower than standard

GT - 10mm lower than standard

GTi - 15mm lower than standard

R - 20mm lower than standard

 

I was referring to the estate............ GT, GTD, & R are ALL on the same -15mm sports suspension.............go check the VW PDF pricelist download please.........

I was referring to the estate............ GT, GTD, & R are ALL on the same -15mm sports suspension.............go check the VW PDF pricelist download please.........

cool

cool

 

I know.............................!!....................... :sun: .........

 

Additional:-

 

BTW I have had another good look at the photos etc in the pricelist & shows etc & still recon they (R estate) are the same rear lights as fitted to my GT, but in the brochure they state LED.....................I wonder if they have just used the same outer & just fitted inner LED modules to light up the shapes, like you have on the front "U" ................???

Edited 6 April, 201511 yr by fabdavrav

You are buggered then!............................

 

So back to the R hatch then.......?

Yeah thinking about a hatch again, would love an 'R' and M135i on the driveway. :-)

Having had a full time 4x4 Quattro and with the added Sports Diff, (the thing that cost £7K to replace under warranty when I broke it ) I never really got to see proper oversteer, although it made the car a lot more pointy. Can you get the R to move the tail out and tuck the front in (without taking drastic measure) or is the car more set up for neutral/understeer unless provoked? My go in someone else car didn't really afford me the chance to scare him witless and find out for myself. I've been reading the reviews of the new TTS and it seems not only very quick, but pretty neutral, so I assume the golf is similar?