VW claim it's simply a 'registration' issue involving the test procedure for the 3.0s .....confident .....or cocky

I'll take one of those Detroit Electric SP:01 sports cars made in Leaminton Spa, UK.........then again my knees might object.

I  watched on purpose but there was nothing on Thames TV and , apologies to the one who recently wrote he is bored by links to articles,  but here is another link which I think IS relevant to the matter :-

 

                                        http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/defeat-device-now-detected-in-vw-audi-porsche-30-tdi-models/ar-BBmKAu1?li=AA8sb7&ocid=U348DHP

Sorry bbc

What about business and deliveries and non-personal transport trips??? - you state only allowing small cars in urban areas so a totally unrealistic proposal as usual...

 

My company uses these for delieveries in polluted cities (Singapore but we are starting to use in others over the next few months and years).  We are one of the ten largest logisitics companies in the world.

 

https://youtu.be/v-AN1S3sCA4

GoAuto News has a story today about the Australian Fed govt looking at being ahead of the EU in emission tests....probably paralleling California in levels and timelines including real world levels and the infrastructure to implement them.

We won't be getting the 'hand-me-downs' in that case and is in line with our newly signed Trans Pacific Partnership (so called free trade).

My company uses these for delieveries in polluted cities (Singapore but we are starting to use in others over the next few months and years).  We are one of the ten largest logisitics companies in the world.

 

https://youtu.be/v-AN1S3sCA4

 

Still Diesel...  

 

In fact Diesel electric parallel hybrid so the diesel still runs all the time (except when stopped and the stop/start kicks in)???

 

Saves about 23% on fuel (so 23% on emissions maybe?) but...

 

Payload is only 5T so that'll need eight trips to equate to one 40T artic delivery to your local urban Sainsbury's / other supermarket of choice....   I doubt that is better in emissions terms but will need to check - it certainly isn't better in traffic terms.

 

I also do a lot of work with one of the UK's largest 'delivery' operations and, at present, electric for them in an urban environment doesn't stack up.

My company uses these for delieveries in polluted cities (Singapore but we are starting to use in others over the next few months and years).  We are one of the ten largest logisitics companies in the world.

 

https://youtu.be/v-AN1S3sCA4

 

Err!!

It's still a diesel!!

I suggest you get your facts straight!!

Err!!

It's still a diesel!!

I suggest you get your facts straight!!

 

Take a pill Graham and RELAX.  All this SPECULATION is not worth raising your blood pressure.

 

 

Most of us do not have a problem with diesel as a part time engine when used much less in town so hybrids which reduce emissions by 30% or so, when matched with Ad Blu which reduces NO by a factor of ten is not such an issue.  7

 

Diesels engines running when stopped in traffic queues and stop start the does not really work as the catalytic converter has dropped below necessary running temperature is not good but this is where hybrids, whether diesel or petrol really score as when the battery system combo really works as the diesels then briefly power the vehicle and charge the battery in an efficient manner and then shut down for quite a few minutes until battery level hits the trigger level again meaning whilst fuel consumption may be "only" 30% better then emission are even better than that as the diesel is opperating in the Goldilocks zone but not so slow its anti-pollution systems are working and not to high level, which VAG is guilty with the EA189 where the skimped on anti-pollution measures whilst pushing the power out.  

 

Hence the issue with these engines whilst not, or less perhaps depending what the EPA thinks it has found on the V6 diesels in VW, Audi and Porsche, where they appear to have spent more build budget on pollution systems and perhaps less problems. 

Based on Australian prices, VW profit margins must be extremely tight, if any, seemingly in an attempt to beat Toyota in global sales volume.

They need to get back to more of an emphasis on quality/reliability even if they do lose some sales.

Most of us do not have a problem with diesel as a part time engine when used much less in town so hybrids which reduce emissions by 30% or so, when matched with Ad Blu which reduces NO by a factor of ten is not such an issue.  7

 

Diesels engines running when stopped in traffic queues and stop start the does not really work as the catalytic converter has dropped below necessary running temperature is not good but this is where hybrids, whether diesel or petrol really score as when the battery system combo really works as the diesels then briefly power the vehicle and charge the battery in an efficient manner and then shut down for quite a few minutes until battery level hits the trigger level again meaning whilst fuel consumption may be "only" 30% better then emission are even better than that as the diesel is opperating in the Goldilocks zone but not so slow its anti-pollution systems are working and not to high level, which VAG is guilty with the EA189 where the skimped on anti-pollution measures whilst pushing the power out.  

 

Hence the issue with these engines whilst not, or less perhaps depending what the EPA thinks it has found on the V6 diesels in VW, Audi and Porsche, where they appear to have spent more build budget on pollution systems and perhaps less problems. 

 

Any real world figures to show these technologies are actually working as expected

Apologies to the bored one, but Porsche  now brought into the scandal :-

 

           http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/11970987/Porsche-dragged-into-emissions-cheat-crisis.html?WT.mc_id=e_DM59597&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Cit_New_Tue_9Sections&utm_source=email&utm_medium=Edi_Cit_New_Tue_9Sections_2015_11_03&utm_campaign=DM59597

Most of us do not have a problem with diesel as a part time engine when used much less in town so hybrids which reduce emissions by 30% or so, when matched with Ad Blu which reduces NO by a factor of ten is not such an issue.  7

 

Diesels engines running when stopped in traffic queues and stop start the does not really work as the catalytic converter has dropped below necessary running temperature is not good but this is where hybrids, whether diesel or petrol really score as when the battery system combo really works as the diesels then briefly power the vehicle and charge the battery in an efficient manner and then shut down for quite a few minutes until battery level hits the trigger level again meaning whilst fuel consumption may be "only" 30% better then emission are even better than that as the diesel is opperating in the Goldilocks zone but not so slow its anti-pollution systems are working and not to high level, which VAG is guilty with the EA189 where the skimped on anti-pollution measures whilst pushing the power out.  

 

Hence the issue with these engines whilst not, or less perhaps depending what the EPA thinks it has found on the V6 diesels in VW, Audi and Porsche, where they appear to have spent more build budget on pollution systems and perhaps less problems. 

 

Can you make up your mind please - one minute you're saying ban all diesels in urban environments and only use small petrol engines and now your saying you don't have a problem with diesels as a 'part time' engine...   which is it to be as you seem to be changing your tune now you've been quizzed in a bit more detail?

 

Either way though the Cantor vehicle you linked to is NOT a part time diesel operating as you suggest above (with the diesel only operating when the battery levels are low)...   it's a parallel hybrid system where the diesel operates full time (other than when stationary in traffic) with the electric motor assisting it...

Can you make up your mind please - one minute you're saying ban all diesels in urban environments and only use small petrol engines and now your saying you don't have a problem with diesels as a 'part time' engine...   which is it to be as you seem to be changing your tune now you've been quizzed in a bit more detail?

 

Either way though the Cantor vehicle you linked to is NOT a part time diesel operating as you suggest above (with the diesel only operating when the battery levels are low)...   it's a parallel hybrid system where the diesel operates full time (other than when stationary in traffic) with the electric motor assisting it...

 

That is not the way it looks like in the engine energy flow maps as it looks like it operates similar to a Prius hybrid ie it is capable of moving off and trickling in slow moving traffic and then the diesel clicks in when either the power demand is higher and/or the battery hits a low level.

 

So with the diesel only kicking in when substantially moving, and I should expect with SCR/Ad blue systems, the NO and PMs are much much better than otherwise.  Even some of the largest trucks are now dual fuel and the usage of diesel is drastically reduced and when it is used it is treat with urea solution and the proper particle removal technology and are acceptable or those vehicles are moved to non-urban areas for usage. 

Second notice of violation.....

 

http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/0/4A45A5661216E66C85257EF10061867B

 

EPA, California Notify Volkswagen of Additional Clean Air Act Violations  

Release Date: 11/02/2015- Contact Information: For News Media Only: Laura Allen [email protected]; Julia P. Valentine [email protected]

WASHINGTON – Today, EPA is issuing a second notice of violation (NOV) of the Clean Air Act (CAA) to Volkswagen AG, Audi AG and Volkswagen Group of America, Inc. This NOV is also being issued to Porsche AG and Porsche Cars North America. These five companies are collectively referred to as Volkswagen (VW). The NOV alleges that VW developed and installed a defeat device in certain VW, Audi and Porsche light duty diesel vehicles equipped with 3.0 liter engines for model years (MY) 2014 through 2016 that increases emissions of nitrogen oxide (NOx) up to nine times EPA’s standard. The vehicles covered by today’s NOV are the diesel versions of: the 2014 VW Touareg, the 2015 Porsche Cayenne, and the 2016 Audi A6 Quattro, A7 Quattro, A8, A8L, and Q5.  EPA and the California Air Resources Board (CARB) have both initiated investigations based on Volkswagen’s alleged actions. The NOV covers approximately 10,000 diesel passenger cars already sold in the United States since MY 2014. In addition, the NOV covers an unknown volume of 2016 vehicles.  These alleged violations are in addition to the NOV issued on September 18th and the ongoing investigation by EPA alleging a defeat device on certain 2.0 liter engines for MY 2009-2015 vehicles.   “VW has once again failed its obligation to comply with the law that protects clean air for all Americans,” said Cynthia Giles, Assistant Administrator for the Office for EPA’s Enforcement and Compliance Assurance. “All companies should be playing by the same rules. EPA, with our state, and federal partners, will continue to investigate these serious matters, to secure the benefits of the Clean Air Act, ensure a level playing field for responsible businesses, and to ensure consumers get the environmental performance they expect.”

Oh **** will there ever be an end to this ?

That is not the way it looks like in the engine energy flow maps as it looks like it operates similar to a Prius hybrid ie it is capable of moving off and trickling in slow moving traffic and then the diesel clicks in when either the power demand is higher and/or the battery hits a low level.

 

Nope...   and I quote from the manufacturer themselves...   (my emphasis)

 

 

While driving, the parallel hybrid drive saves you fuel, and when you decelerate the energy recovered tops up your high capacity lithium ion battery. The battery then supports the engine when you start driving, as well as when you accelerate. Working in harmony with the Start/Stop function, which switches the engine off when you stop and starts it again when you set off, you get fuel savings of up to 23%.

 

Nowhere does it suggest it can function as electric only, even for small periods or distances.  I suggest your read up and get your facts straight before posting.

Oh **** will there ever be an end to this ?

 

Sorry - I just felt the need to correct some of Lol-Lol's assertions.

Are any of the other manufacturers under the same scrutiny as VAG?

They might not have cheated, but Im guessing the Nox emissions are way higher than stated....

Are any of the other manufacturers under the same scrutiny as VAG?

They might not have cheated, but Im guessing the Nox emissions are way higher than stated....

 

I'm Norwegian, sorry about my grammar and spelling

 

Your grammar and spelling is excellent, and that's more than can be said for some of the English contributors!

Edited 3 November, 201510 yr by 05surveyor

It was reported early in October that the EPA in the US had extended their investigations into vehicles from 

BMW, Chrysler, General Motors, Land Rover & Mercedes Benz.

 

So time will tell what is being found if anything,

but currently they have VW / Audi confessing their cheats and Porsche are 'Surprised'.

Not sure what Porsche are surprised at, being accused, or that VW never told them what to make

an announcement on, like an outright denial of anything wrong being done.

Your gammar and spelling is excellent, and that's more than can be said for some of the English contributors!

Can you hear the sirens?, well the spelling and grammar police unit has arrived !

Still Diesel...  

 

In fact Diesel electric parallel hybrid so the diesel still runs all the time (except when stopped and the stop/start kicks in)???  Saves about 23% on fuel (so 23% on emissions maybe?) but...   Payload is only 5T so that'll need eight trips to equate to one 40T artic delivery to your local urban Sainsbury's / other supermarket of choice....   I doubt that is better in emissions terms but will need to check - it certainly isn't better in traffic terms.  I also do a lot of work with one of the UK's largest 'delivery' operations and, at present, electric for them in an urban environment doesn't stack up.

 

I think you find a 40T, or even 44T truck only carries less than 30T and usually more like 20T as the 38/40/44T is the GVW. Lots of hybrid and dual fuel vehicles of the 16T (Gross) and bigger I recall seeing on UK roads.  Anything that get the diesel vehicles, or any relatively high polluting source, NO or PMs down helps but full CNG or electric obviously is better in the built up populated areas and converting and demanding diesels fitted with effective SCR.  Unfortunately I am down to polluted LHR area for me tomorrow, at least I will not be contributing in my very clean 0.9T Renault engine with 10 mg/km NO and virtually no PMs. 

Can you hear the sirens?, well the spelling and grammar police unit has arrived !

 

Standards must be maintained! 

Yes the English contributors should.

The Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish can just continue as was.

 

(Your Post count is sure going up on non Car related stuff, you are getting into the swing of things.)