I note that whereas my 2013 Superb 170Tdi 4 x 4 was shown this morning, the website currently says there is no recall shown against the VIN.

 

I will wait until we know for sure which vehicles need to be modified and what the modification is.  

 

I am confident this will be resolved satisfactorily.

The first person that has the 'modification' from on here needs to get the car rolling road tested for power before and after so we know if we are looking at a change in performance.

 

I presume my car will be one of those affected. 2011 MK2 Octavia VRS....

Edited 1 October, 201510 yr by Ninja78

Reading through some of this with interest as my husband owns a Skoda Octavia green line ii. 1.6 CAYC engine purchased March 2013. Looks as though this model should be affected but the vin number input shows no recall. I expect customer service have been receiving too many phone calls!

VW have admitted that cars beyond the US are affected. They wouldn't have done that if the cheat software wasn't cheating anywhere except the US, would they?

It may just mean that cars outside the US are running around with software that cheats the US test.

 

It doesn't mean such cars would cheated the EU test (although you can bet lots of people are looking at this issue very carefully to find out).

 

Edited 1 October, 201510 yr by DavidY

It may just mean that cars outside the US are running around with software that cheats the US test.

 

It doesn't mean such cars would cheated the EU test (although you can bet lots of people are looking at this issue very carefully to find out).

 

The US tests showed emissions 10-40x what they should be. The EU5 limit is only 6x what it is in America, so they would still fall foul of it.

The US tests showed emissions 10-40x what they should be. The EU5 limit is only 6x what it is in America, so they would still fall foul of it.

 

It's already known that on road emissions are higher than EU test results. I'm sure there will be much more news to come on this front and will affect many cars over different brands.

 

The reason this is news is because of code specifically designed to lower emissions when the car is under the American test.

 

There are currently no evidence (that I'm aware of) that the code added to lower emissions during the American test made any difference to the results of a EU test, even though the code appears to be on many EU cars. Until there is evidence to show that the cheat does affect the EU test than it's likely just to be a recall to remove the code that is responsible for the American test and unlikely to have any real world difference.

 

Of course these is still a chance that there is a similar piece of code that targets EU tests at which point things will get more interesting...

Push for Diesel Car Scrappage scheme being touted. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34407670

Typical knee jerk response from an MP. Not even in power (thank God) and they want to reverse Gordon Browns legacy. Time to watch the muppets again.

And still there is no indication that UK based Skodas actually fail to meet the Euro 5 standard.

I find it a little bizarre that there is so much doom and despondency when no one has actually said our (UK based/bought) cars are doing anything wrong - apart from harbouring some 'cheat device' software.

I hope those consistently ranting about VAG on this thread don't give themselves a heart attack for nothing....

Typical knee jerk response from an MP. Not even in power (thank God) and they want to reverse Gordon Browns legacy. Time to watch the muppets again.

 

Have you had a look at his interests?  Vested or what!

 

Out of interest I am about to take a new Octavia, with a CKFC engine in it. I'm told it's EU5+

 

So firstly does anyone know if it's a EA288 engine (As google suggests) or one of the older ones.

Also what on earth is the EU5+?

 

I get 5 and I get 6, but I've never heard of the 5+

Edited 1 October, 201510 yr by cheezemonkhai

Hm... It's starting...

 

"According to the German motoring organisation Adac, the Volvo S60, Renault’s Espace Energy and the Jeep Renegade all exceeded legal European emission limits for nitrogen oxide (NOx) by more than 10 times."

 

"The findings reveal that the car emissions scandal extends far beyond Volkswagen and encompasses many other manufacturers including Mercedes, BMW, Mazda, Fiat, Ford and Peugeot."

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/volkswagen-emissions-scandal-more-carmakers-implicated-as-tests-reveal-pollution-levels-of-popular-a6674386.html

Hm... It's starting...

 

"According to the German motoring organisation Adac, the Volvo S60, Renault’s Espace Energy and the Jeep Renegade all exceeded legal European emission limits for nitrogen oxide (NOx) by more than 10 times."

 

"The findings reveal that the car emissions scandal extends far beyond Volkswagen and encompasses many other manufacturers including Mercedes, BMW, Mazda, Fiat, Ford and Peugeot."

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/volkswagen-emissions-scandal-more-carmakers-implicated-as-tests-reveal-pollution-levels-of-popular-a6674386.html

 

 

I posted links & info along with other people very early on in this thread about the second story in this debacle...................

 

 

There was independent testing done for the newer 2017 yr emissions test which is more real life..................

 

200 cars, all Euro 6 compliant were tested against this new test, 195 failed..................

 

 

Worst offenders, Volvo, Renault, Hyundai.............

 

 

Least offending, still failed were VAG cars....................

Hm... It's starting...

 

"According to the German motoring organisation Adac, the Volvo S60, Renault’s Espace Energy and the Jeep Renegade all exceeded legal European emission limits for nitrogen oxide (NOx) by more than 10 times."

"The findings reveal that the car emissions scandal extends far beyond Volkswagen and encompasses many other manufacturers including Mercedes, BMW, Mazda, Fiat, Ford and Peugeot."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/volkswagen-emissions-scandal-more-carmakers-implicated-as-tests-reveal-pollution-levels-of-popular-a6674386.html

 

One word that is missing from your text above that is key ab out the cars and that is.........

v

v

v

Diesel

 

Worth putting some of the text for those who do not use the link...............

 

Volkswagen emissions scandal: More carmakers implicated as tests reveal pollution levels of popular diesels

 

Massive levels of pollution are being emitted by diesel vehicles built by a wide range of carmakers, according to tests carried out by one of the world’s biggest independent motoring organisations......

Consumers will be alarmed that many popular models are involved although, unlike VW, there is no suggestion that any of the other manufacturers have employed devices to cheat the testing regime. .....   

All diesel car manufacturers have managed to meet this requirement.  However, it is widely accepted that the “real-world” NOx emissions of diesel passenger cars are substantially higher than the certified limit.

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I would be happy to see petrol cars compared under similar test but, due to their lower cylinder temperatures and pressures I feel certain we will not see the huge differences in lab to real world emissions.  Look forward to seeing these sorts of test results on petrol, petrol-hybrids.  It is sad it has taken so long to expose this.

Just seen a link on BBC saying VW has suspended sales of 4000 cars in uk. No details up yet though...just a headline.

And SKY reported the same.

Sale suspended on 4,000 cars in the UK in Stock.

(Might be cars and light goods vehicles, but we will hear soon enough.)

Says in wake of diesel emission scandal so just the EA189s ?  Possibly dealer allocated stock they will need to swap out for EA288s?

 

 

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Volkswagen suspending sale of 4,000 vehicles in Britain

Volkswagen is suspending the sale of 4,000 vehicles in Britain in the wake of the diesel emissions scandal.

A VW spokesman said the suspension applies to just three per cent of cars in stock and they are vehicles that have not been registered yet.

He added that it was a measure taken in order to fix the software before they are sold.

He said: "It is a temporary halt on sale until a technical fix is applied to the cars."

VW announced yesterday that more than 1.1 million vehicles in the UK are affected by the Volkswagen diesel emissions scandal.

Seat made the announcement of a temporary suspension of EA189 engined cars TWO days ago.

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A VW spokesman said the suspension applies to just three per cent of cars in stock and they are vehicles that have not been registered yet.

He added that it was a measure taken in order to fix the software before they are sold.

Hm... I don't think they are Euro5 engines... so... looks like EA288

Edited 1 October, 201510 yr by 67igor1

The US tests showed emissions 10-40x what they should be. The EU5 limit is only 6x what it is in America, so they would still fall foul of it.

 

Yes but the problem is this isn't just VW - most current cars fail to meet the Nox limits for EU6 and plenty fail EU5 as well as in real world testing they produce far higher emissions than when tested originally.

 

John

Maybe have a look at a members post in Roadside from today and maybe someone has advice for him.

I would be happy to see petrol cars compared under similar test but, due to their lower cylinder temperatures and pressures I feel certain we will not see the huge differences in lab to real world emissions.  Look forward to seeing these sorts of test results on petrol, petrol-hybrids.  It is sad it has taken so long to expose this.

 

I'd expect you'd see petrol cars producing more CO2 than expected but I don't think the variation is as much, I've read quite a few articles that claim the DPF is partially responsible for the huge variance in diesel emissions as during a regeneration (which doesn't seem to be part of the test) the emissions are hugely increased.

 

John

I'd expect you'd see petrol cars producing more CO2 than expected but I don't think the variation is as much, I've read quite a few articles that claim the DPF is partially responsible for the huge variance in diesel emissions as during a regeneration (which doesn't seem to be part of the test) the emissions are hugely increased.

 

John

CO2 will have a fairly direct correlation to

Fuel consumpion where NO can almost be an inverse, especially if firm has srimped on post combustion tech.

I've been a bit suspicious about some of the petrol CO2 ratings, my current car has a 2.5 straight four engine producing 170bhp and it's not particularly clean so it gets a hefty £260 VED.  Its successor is a 163bhp 2.0 litre engine which is clearly going to be more efficient but it drops right down the tax bands to £130, the engine is still normally aspirated although it does have a small capacitor system to power electronics when the car is idling but I still can't see it producing such a huge difference in CO2 emissions in reality.

 

I realise the site doesn't have control over adverts but still disappointing to see this here:

 

The Worldcarfans site, used it for years and general found well informed, includes EPA comment, just popped this up on their site ..........

 

 

http://www.worldcarfans.com/115093099578/vw-working-on-two-solutions-to-fix-cars-powered-by

Could reduce fuel economy and performance

Industry experts are saying Volkswagen's diesel fix could require two distinct solutions, depending on the car’s pollution control system.   Yesterday we heard VW saying a diesel fix is in the works for almost 11 million cars equipped with the Euro 5-compliant EA189 engine and all of them will have to go through a "service procedure." Now we get to find out more about what that actually means and it seems it's more than just a software update as industry experts and U.S. regulators are saying hardware changes will be required as well for some of the engines.  There will be two solutions and choosing between one and the other will be done based on the vehicle's pollution control system. 

 

According to EPA, fixing the cars from the 2009-2014 model years will require more time because these have devices known as "lean NOx traps" which were created to reduce nitrogen oxides in engine exhaust. Back in 2012, Volkswagen started offering the same 2.0 TDI engine with a more complex emissions control system known as Selective Catalytic Reduction which injects a liquid urea solution in the exhaust to diminish nitrogen oxides.

 

The software implemented in these two types of emissions control systems will have to be revised and in some cases a hardware change will also be necessary. According to some analysts, these modifications could have a negative impact on the car's performances and could also increase fuel consumption

@JohnMCL7, I'll try to find the publisher of that and block it... not what VAG need. I just need the URL the ad takes you to, I'm refreshing but not triggered it yet.

 

As an aside, BBC reporting VAG suspending sales of some vehicles |>  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34410390

@JohnMCL7, I'll try to find the publisher of that and block it... not what VAG need. I just need the URL the ad takes you to, I'm refreshing but not triggered it yet.

 

As an aside, BBC reporting VAG suspending sales of some vehicles |>  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34410390

 

I might be showing as outside the UK, it seems to be a US advert - the URLs are:

 

http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/aclk?sa=l&ai=CoL3ZAmwNVrDaCeOSjAaPk5TIAbzL3OAH1IPpmaECwI23ARABIJ6I_AGgAbjrs-sDyAEC4AIAqAMByAOZBKoEvgFP0LkyrSDs4JIem4vgXAFj60UPYdumwRzku0eLKecXb7wZA1n-pipvyw1XTSc1Qy9b-H9CgttlW3zl0vlQ4yMa8fCVvUBrDkUnkdzWYVhZUnifydb4UulFenOA0fHQnq2NS18uCeJiQCwX4JZmoiDp0E0al0xdTqNFx8Dnr_9TBy-LJQ0Z5kNrgRFCKhPMCSzJOAKmsfDp-3R-2Uw9L7p38b1cQ0bpnNOdKAk9-2LZun5t_AlsDG-1z5uO8F504AQBoAYCgAewlMwUqAemvhuoB7XBG9gHAQ&num=1&sig=AOD64_07u5HOgCsJpEB3GEal3EIMybX0iQ&client=ca-pub-3149308802201521&nm=1&nx=383&ny=46&mb=2&adurl=http://www.hgdlawfirm.com/vwemissionslawsuit/

 

http://www.hgdlawfirm.com/vwemissionslawsuit/?gclid=CIeO5vPkocgCFcJe2wodehsIwg

 

John