Makes me laugh the whole "TDI isnt a proper vRS just a trim level" attitude.

Its the same f-ing car as the TSI, just with a slightly less powerful diesel motor trading some all out performance for better running costs which suits most people wierdly enough as they are in the main bought as family cars or run as company cars...the latter a diesel cetainly makes way more sense unless you get kicks throwing cash at the tax man.

Lets face it the TDI can still dispatch 60 in less than 8 secs (lets ignore the book figures as we all know they are *******s) and run onto well over 140mph.....I dont classify that as lacking performance...particularly when it can return 50-odd MPG all day long.

160 hp/ton Vs 132 (TSI Vs TDI).  Almost 20% difference.... I'm going to go for the not a proper VRS attitude.

 

And while we're at it, a TDI VRS has only 11% more hp/ton that a 150HP elegance, so yep..... a trim level.

Edited 24 November, 201510 yr by Sheldon.Cooper

May be my interpretation but bit of unnecessary snobbery going on here?  Lets not forget its horses for courses. 

 

Back to the matter in hand I'm totally on the same page with you Andyb_sv and will be trying out the exact same trial.

I don't get this "trim level" rubbish. Surely all skodas are trim levels.

It's not like with older generation Renaultsport cars that were built in a separate factory to the normal cars.

So what if the petrol has more power? Does that make it better? The tdi costs more and holds its value better.

If it's about speed there are many cars that are far quicker than the petrol vrs. In fact you would struggle to keep up with my 172 and that's battered, tatty and worth about 5p. But I'd hardly argue it's better than a new vrs petrol or diesel.

Amen to that!

I've not had a problem with mine. It's quite nippy.

If I want to beat somboby off the line at traffic lights, if there's two lanes going straight on and I'm the front car I normaly hang back about a car length and a half from the white line, when the lights change to red and amber I set off so I'm passing the green light already moving. works for me

How old are you 18 haha. Pathetic

LOL,

 something like putting a GTD Exhaust Actuator on a Skoda vRS TDI, so Boy racer.

LOL,

 something like putting a GTD Exhaust Actuator on a Skoda vRS TDI, so Boy racer.

Me?

If you mean looking into this for another member and sending them the details you mean this is boy racer then no. I haven't got this or want it.

Why get involved all the time. Yes I'm not part of you clique on here I know that but stay out of it. I may complain like your friend Mfon does all the time he is quite childish too. Like the rest of you.

 

Edited 24 November, 201510 yr by Damo
Personal insult removed

Wind your neck in!  

haha

Edited 24 November, 201510 yr by Tim1631

Reign it back for christ sakes you all drive the same make and probably model cars but still are waving the handbags all about.

 

On a bit of balance, I thought my thread was pretty fair, I wasn't bashing the TDI and I think you just have to learn that their is a mix of abilities at different areas. (isn't it a bit like liking curvaceous as well as trim babes lol).

 

FWIW I drive both a TDI vRS Fabia and TSI on a regular basis.

The TDI is definitely slower off the line, but overall equally enjoyable to drive overall with its own peak areas.

 

(Its no where near as new as my TSI which comes with modern perks but I'd definitely not call the TDI slow....if anything the TSI in standard unfettled form was a tad disappointing and not massively feeling that much quicker than the ferby - but only as I've actually occasionally dip into a bit of motorcycle performance when I fancy a dabble).

From my point of view:

vRS is not a racing car, and we should not treat it like that. Stay in VAG and take a look under hoods od Audi S4 or Seat Cupra's for example and youll se the difference. No matter that I own one, neither TDI nor TSI are ment for a childish traffic light racing.

If You ever drove a decent sport car (not supersport, but neither tuned Corsa) You know what I mean. Even some decent Audi quattro or 4x4 184hp non-vRS Octavia will make You eat it's dust off the line. Simple physics.

With some insult we could call it a trim level like s line exterior/interior package in Audi. TSI make it's way out of crowd with stronger engine, but 184ps TDI engine is offered in complete range. Again I own one, but with TDI You could gather more from 184ps scout. They knew that and leveled it by issuing a latest 4x4 vRS.

But in all that **** I thrown out :-), You must reconsider that Octavia is universal all rounder, offering something that other proper R cars can't. That's the keypoint for lots of us. That's why I bought it, to drive my kids with 60mpg, and after that to beat the hell of it from time to time on some curvy road when I can't ride my bike.

Therefore I wont take any offence if someone calls it a trim level, to be honest. For me, it is what it is.

Sorry for poluting a topic.

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Keep it civil gents, and avoid personal insults

 

Thanks

If I want to beat somboby off the line at traffic lights, if there's two lanes going straight on and I'm the front car I normaly hang back about a car length and a half from the white line, when the lights change to red and amber I set off so I'm passing the green light already moving. works for me

 

Just to add:--

 

At no point have I used the word  "Racing" in the above post.

 

I use this method if I need to change lanes after the lights or if the two lanes merge into one. 

Just to add:--

At no point have I used the word "Racing" in the above post.

I use this method if I need to change lanes after the lights or if the two lanes merge into one.

Mmm I'd be worried about red light jumpers from the cross traffic and your view would be impeded by hanging back from the front.

Not illegal but a bit risky?

Edited 24 November, 201510 yr by Gerrycan

Hi All,

 

About 3 years ago I owned a cracking Octavia VRS DSG (petrol), and had the Mk1 with a manual box before that, loved both cars.  Value for money, sporty, bags of room and very well made; the Octavia is a great car in its own right, diesel or petrol.  Along came the winter and any spirited acceleration from the lights in the wet caused the wheels to spin like a Catherine Wheel on bonfire night, and judder away from the lights; not good.  Changed the tyres to some Uniroyal  Rainsport 2's and that made a difference, stopped it spinning all the time, but still a pain when trying to get off quickly.  This obviously affects all FWD cars with a bit power going through those front wheels

 

Frustrating enough for me to trade in and get a VW Golf R AWD, stage one remap with 310bhp, which by the way will not spin on full throttle off the line at the lights: awesome.  AWD is the way ahead if you can afford it.  So when I found out the VRS now comes with AWD, I went and ordered one.  Yes its diesel, and slower than my Golf, but I know it will get away from the lights swiftly come rain or shine, and not bog down or start wheel spinning and juddering like a kangaroo on speed.

 

DSG and AWD are for me the best combination, I know this is not everyone's cup of tea for lots of reasons, but they really make a difference to the drive when you get used to them.  You won't be spinning any wheels, and the car will pull away with minimum fuss every time, and faster than any standard van out there.

 

Can't wait to get the VRS 4X4 and will let you all know what its like in the New Year, expecting delivery early February.  Will be straight onto DTUK and get a Stage 2 tuning box to increase the BHP to 240 and the torque to 500NM; now that's pretty damn good, and the AWD will handle the power just fine and kick some ass on many a petrol hot hatch; and I won't care about any trim level jibes.  Have a good night guys :-)

Back to the OP's question, a couple of people did suggest it earlier (before the handbags started flying :p) I will qualify this by saying this is from my experience of other diesels and I have not driven a vRS TDI (before any handbags come my way)

 

Diesels tend to be better in higher gears than you would be in a petrol to make use of the torque, so the gearchanges are critical.

 

If you rev it to the redline in 1st you will be getting nowhere for half of that as you are past peak torque. If you then change gear it puts you at the end (if not past) the peak torque again. Keep revving it like a petrol and it will not get the best out of the engine as you will miss the torque band in each gear.

 

If you rev it to the point the torque drops off (about 2700 -3000 in most) then change, your revs will end up back at the start of peak torque and have another dose of torque push. Change at the same point again and you are in third at the start of peak torque and that will get you places.

 

It feels really alien to change early, like "short shifting" in a petrol and a petrol (corsa?) revved to the redilne may momentarily get ahead but very quickly the car will be in a higher gear in the middle of the torque curve and will be going as well as it can.

 

If adrenalin gets the better of you and you hit the redline in 1st - try straight into 3rd?

 

 

This torque curve is for the Ford (PSA) 2.0 TDCi (which I'm a big fan of) but the same principle applies, get it between the red lines and try to keep it there.

 

Get to top of torque curve in top gear and then a petrol will then have the edge but that is normally way past the legal limit for most diesels and explains why they can be very effective on the road but in a straight run to top speed would lose out to an equivalent petrol. it also explains why diesel and DSG don't always get along for some people

 

I am a big fan of common-rail diesels, but I now drive a petrol - Horses for Courses

Edited 25 November, 201510 yr by flybynite

Hi All,

About 3 years ago I owned a cracking Octavia VRS DSG (petrol), and had the Mk1 with a manual box before that, loved both cars. Value for money, sporty, bags of room and very well made; the Octavia is a great car in its own right, diesel or petrol. Along came the winter and any spirited acceleration from the lights in the wet caused the wheels to spin like a Catherine Wheel on bonfire night, and judder away from the lights; not good. Changed the tyres to some Uniroyal Rainsport 2's and that made a difference, stopped it spinning all the time, but still a pain when trying to get off quickly. This obviously affects all FWD cars with a bit power going through those front wheels

Frustrating enough for me to trade in and get a VW Golf R AWD, stage one remap with 310bhp, which by the way will not spin on full throttle off the line at the lights: awesome. AWD is the way ahead if you can afford it. So when I found out the VRS now comes with AWD, I went and ordered one. Yes its diesel, and slower than my Golf, but I know it will get away from the lights swiftly come rain or shine, and not bog down or start wheel spinning and juddering like a kangaroo on speed.

DSG and AWD are for me the best combination, I know this is not everyone's cup of tea for lots of reasons, but they really make a difference to the drive when you get used to them. You won't be spinning any wheels, and the car will pull away with minimum fuss every time, and faster than any standard van out there.

Can't wait to get the VRS 4X4 and will let you all know what its like in the New Year, expecting delivery early February. Will be straight onto DTUK and get a Stage 2 tuning box to increase the BHP to 240 and the torque to 500NM; now that's pretty damn good, and the AWD will handle the power just fine and kick some ass on many a petrol hot hatch; and I won't care about any trim level jibes. Have a good night guys :-)

I agree I think the TDI DSG 4x4 version s v compelling. If I were ever in the market to buy a new family estate car probably be the first thing Id look at.

Just a shame the Octavias residuals are so woeful...having just spec'd one up to about the same spec as my stock Golf GTD it came out at £31k....its probably still alot of car for that money but for me its still an exorbitant amount of money for a Skoda Octavia IMHO....particularly given it wont be worth half that after about 18 months.

So what if the petrol has more power? Does that make it better? The tdi costs more and holds its value better.

 

Always used to hold its value better you mean about as popular as a pork pie at a Bar Miztvah nowadays :)

Always used to hold its value better you mean about as popular as a pork pie at a Bar Miztvah nowadays :)

 

Yet still out sells the Petrol......

Always used to hold its value better you mean about as popular as a pork pie at a Bar Miztvah nowadays :)

Here here, though the residual issues I think are more down to unrealistic RRP's made paletable by canny finance offers and oversupply. The used market is just flooded with O3's...its definitely a buyers market!

Suppose also its rather testament to the successful Market penetration of Skoda in markets like the UK where people will quite willingly spend £28+ k on an Octavia....pretty scary when you think £19/20k would have attained youn a new Mk2 vRS TDI DSG with spec not so long ago.

In my mind the the mountains of optional extras that can be added to these things that doesnt help either.....we all fall foul of the bug....I love my toys too but its all to readily forgotten that a Mk3 vRS in base spec is already significantly better specified than a base Mk2....it even comes with Nav now. Each to their own and fair play but when you start throwing on Pano roof, leather (which isnt much cop anyway), ACC, memory seats, LTE internet, fancy nav and audio the cost of these things gets pretty daft.

For sure if you are a cash buyer, are buying at good discount via a broker and have every intent of keeping the car a good long while (until its worth nought) its a fair shout but doing so and then PCP'ing for 3 years.....talk about getting locked in :-)

Yet still out sells the Petrol......

Out sells the Veyron as well , must be better than that also

 

They sell more Fiestas than anything else in this country , I wouldnt want one of those either

 

Fact remains , sales have dropped , residuals are dropping

Here here, though the residual issues I think are more down to unrealistic RRP's made paletable by canny finance offers and oversupply. The used market is just flooded with O3's...its definitely a buyers market!

For sure if you are a cash buyer, are buying at good discount via a broker and have every intent of keeping the car a good long while (until its worth nought) its a fair shout but doing so and then PCP'ing for 3 years.....talk about getting locked in :-)

Quite possibly, that and leasing deals, I think long term residuals on the petrols might be better than expected and the reverse for the diesels, oversupply being a valid point

 

I'm very much your last line, cash buyer as in my own money, got a good discount, on pcp because its 2.9% and I will keep the car 6 years at least, I dont worry about residuals really

Back to the OP's question, a couple of people did suggest it earlier (before the handbags started flying :p) I will qualify this by saying this is from my experience of other diesels and I have not driven a vRS TDI (before any handbags come my way)

Diesels tend to be better in higher gears than you would be in a petrol to make use of the torque, so the gearchanges are critical.

If you rev it to the redline in 1st you will be getting nowhere for half of that as you are past peak torque. If you then change gear it puts you at the end (if not past) the peak torque again. Keep revving it like a petrol and it will not get the best out of the engine as you will miss the torque band in each gear.

If you rev it to the point the torque drops off (about 2700 -3000 in most) then change, your revs will end up back at the start of peak torque and have another dose of torque push. Change at the same point again and you are in third at the start of peak torque and that will get you places.

It feels really alien to change early, like "short shifting" in a petrol and a petrol (corsa?) revved to the redilne may momentarily get ahead but very quickly the car will be in a higher gear in the middle of the torque curve and will be going as well as it can.

If adrenalin gets the better of you and you hit the redline in 1st - try straight into 3rd?

torque.jpg

This torque curve is for the Ford (PSA) 2.0 TDCi (which I'm a big fan of) but the same principle applies, get it between the red lines and try to keep it there.

Get to top of torque curve in top gear and then a petrol will then have the edge but that is normally way past the legal limit for most diesels and explains why they can be very effective on the road but in a straight run to top speed would lose out to an equivalent petrol. it also explains why diesel and DSG don't always get along for some people

I am a big fan of common-rail diesels, but I now drive a petrol - Horses for Courses

Not true. Torque is multiplied by the gear ratio so even at the top of the Rev range you have more torque than in the gear above.

Always used to hold its value better you mean about as popular as a pork pie at a Bar Miztvah nowadays :)

 

 

Yet still out sells the Petrol......

 

 

Out sells the Veyron as well , must be better than that also

 

They sell more Fiestas than anything else in this country , I wouldnt want one of those either

 

Fact remains , sales have dropped , residuals are dropping

 

What's better got to do with it, your point was that the diesel vRS is unpopular...... my point being it outsells the petrol so that is actually the unpopular one.   I made no mention of which is better as that's purely down to the individual owners needs.

Edited 25 November, 201510 yr by Neily03