VW Emissions Scandal Thread V2

[Ootohere]

Maybe you should listen to the Select Committee meetings then and read more on just what they are doing and saying.

Volkswagen emissions follow-up session - UK Parliament.mhtml

Volkswagen emissions follow-up session - publications - UK Parliament.mhtml

Edited 6 April, 2017 by Awayoffski

[vrskeith]

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-declines-pay-£1m-dft-post-dieselgate-bill

[Ryeman]

http://europe.autonews.com/article/20170410/ANE/170419999/uk-car-industry-defends-diesel-as-govt-readies-pollution-plan

[Ryeman]

Dog days for diesel

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1109895_mercedes-benz-may-stop-selling-diesels-in-u-s#src=10065

[Tony R]

17 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

Dog days for diesel

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1109895_mercedes-benz-may-stop-selling-diesels-in-u-s#src=10065

 

     There is one very significant conclusion to be drawn from this, ie that Mercedes will CONTINUE to make diesels and only not to sell them in America ( where they may well be under suspicion anyway ), so diesel may well have a future after all if an august manufacturer as Mercedes intends to continue with them, and probably engage in research and development?.

[Ryeman]

Just now, Tony R said:

 

     There is one very significant conclusion to be drawn from this, ie that Mercedes will CONTINUE to make diesels and only not to sell them in America ( where they may well be under suspicion anyway ), so diesel may well have a future after all if an august manufacturer as Mercedes intends to continue with them, and probably engage in research and development?.

Horses for courses 

[pinkpanther]

My findings following the update: https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/429970-ea189-emmisions-update-my-experience/

[vrskeith]

VAG fix causing problems.

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-dieselgate-fix-causes-breakdowns-says-report

[Ryeman]

The civil case time bomb just keeps ticking away.

[Eddie-NL]

Issues after update

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/3434697/the-vw-customers-terrified-to-drive-after-software-update-caused-their-cars-to-lose-power-on-the-motorway-doing-60mph/

[millser]

Volkswagen’s Skoda subsidiary is also feeling the squeeze in the UK, where its Octavia model’s permit originates. British authorities threatened to block the permit, forcing a complete recall, unless Skoda compensated duped consumers. VW fended off that expensive demand, but London’s fall-back position is equally unpalatable for Skoda: a lifetime guarantee on engines modified to meet emissions targets. That has left the VW subsidiary in a difficult position: refusal to go along means the Octavia has no permission to be on the roads; go along and they are opening the floodgates to similar guarantee demands from elsewhere in Europe. Considering that VW/Skoda engineers don’t know the long-term effects of their engine modifications, the Dieselgate aftershocks could be very expensive indeed.

 

 

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/manufacturing/berlin-gets-the-better-of-brussels-in-dieselgate-row-1.3068880

[Tony R]

Heard today somewhere,maybe a  News programme, the question the thousands of premature deaths  turns out to be the deaths are premature by an average of THREE DAYS. Talk about a lot of fuss over nothing!

[vrskeith]

Will this win a few votes for Mrs T mk 2, away from the Greens / Labour / Lib Dems?

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/diesel-scrappage-plan-be-revealed-friday

 

 

Edited 3 May, 2017 by vrskeith

[Ootohere]

millser, what permit for the Octavia originates from the UK?

What London 'fall back position'?  Do you mean the UK Governments?

 

Where are you getting the stuff from just this linked article from the Irish Times?

Is this Type Approval that is being threatened to be removed or what kind of Permit.

 

I would love to see the UK Government removing 'Hard working families and individuals means of transport and the vehicle that they use to earn their living or to get to their place of work'. 

 

The UK Government are well aware of what was going on and what they have allowed to go on since.

The Minister for Transport from before the scandal broke and since was made a Lord and now is Chairman of the Conservative & Unionist Party. He who has been involved with Transport or Industry in the UK since the days of Margaret Thatcher.

Edited 3 May, 2017 by Awayoffski

[millser]

9 hours ago, Awayoffski said:

millser, what permit for the Octavia originates from the UK?

What London 'fall back position'?  Do you mean the UK Governments?

 

 

No idea what they mean by permits, just quoted from the article

[Ryeman]

9 hours ago, Awayoffski said:

millser, what permit for the Octavia originates from the UK?

What London 'fall back position'?  Do you mean the UK Governments?

 

Where are you getting the stuff from just this linked article from the Irish Times?

Is this Type Approval that is being threatened to be removed or what kind of Permit.

 

I would love to see the UK Government removing 'Hard working families and individuals means of transport and the vehicle that they use to earn their living or to get to their place of work'. 

 

The UK Government are well aware of what was going on and what they have allowed to go on since.

The Minister for Transport from before the scandal broke and since was made a Lord and now is Chairman of the Conservative & Unionist Party. He who has been involved with Transport or Industry in the UK since the days of Margaret Thatcher.

Might be a question for lol-lol

[Tony R]

As I wrote in a post a few back,this question of premature deaths due to air pollution is a farce as the premature aspect is apparently  3 days!, which in relation to a lifespan probably of 80-90 years is not a great consideration, I might suggest.  I live in 2 places, in London very close to the North Circular and Ealing Common,where I would say the air  seems perfectly clean. The other place is Southampton, right next to the coast and sea, so I am perplexed  that air  here is highly polluted,especially bearing in mind also the huge amounts of open  parks and spaces Southampton has, The Common for one, very close to the City centre, a vast area of woods,lakes, grassland etc, plus the Sports Centre, again a vast area of open  " fields " as far as the eye can see beyond which is a huge 18 hole golf course. I must confess I am highly sceptical of certain persons seemingly wanting to jump on the bandwagon, an excuse for raising money?.

[Ryeman]

2 hours ago, Tony R said:

As I wrote in a post a few back,this question of premature deaths due to air pollution is a farce as the premature aspect is apparently  3 days!, which in relation to a lifespan probably of 80-90 years is not a great consideration, I might suggest.  I live in 2 places, in London very close to the North Circular and Ealing Common,where I would say the air  seems perfectly clean. The other place is Southampton, right next to the coast and sea, so I am perplexed  that air  here is highly polluted,especially bearing in mind also the huge amounts of open  parks and spaces Southampton has, The Common for one, very close to the City centre, a vast area of woods,lakes, grassland etc, plus the Sports Centre, again a vast area of open  " fields " as far as the eye can see beyond which is a huge 18 hole golf course. I must confess I am highly sceptical of certain persons seemingly wanting to jump on the bandwagon, an excuse for raising money?.

....."apparently 3 days"?

Is there a link to this research result?.

I'd like to know how a figure of ~ 80 years less 3 days was calculated.

[Tony R]

14 hours ago, Ryeman said:

....."apparently 3 days"?

Is there a link to this research result?.

I'd like to know how a figure of ~ 80 years less 3 days was calculated.

Read my posting a few back

[Ootohere]

The UK Government needs to get the Report out, or the Civil Servants do since there are no MP's until June, but there is a Government.

 

Julia Hartley-Brewer challenges doctor over air pollution premature death statistic in Doctors Against Diesel call to action _ talkRADIO.mhtml

Edited 4 May, 2017 by Awayoffski

[Ryeman]

3 hours ago, Tony R said:

Read my posting a few back

Sounds like IoT 

[Tony R]

47 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

Sounds like IoT 

 

 Good

[Ryeman]

September 2015.......things are about to change

 

[warley]

On 03/05/2017 at 00:52, Tony R said:

Heard today somewhere,maybe a  News programme, the question the thousands of premature deaths  turns out to be the deaths are premature by an average of THREE DAYS. Talk about a lot of fuss over nothing!

I have argued previously that the 'premature deaths' figures are not useful unless SMRs (Standardised Mortality ratios) are quoted. Even then, when the Francis Enquiry into "excess deaths" at Mids Saffs NHS Trust looked into this, the topic of interpreting the SMR information was argued at length for several days. Experts From the Trust, The Primary Care Trust, the Strategic Heallth Authority, the Dept of Health, Dr Fosters (the company that compiled the data) and even Professor Jarman, an Expert in the use of SMRs gave evidence. I think it fair to say that no firm consensus was reached on the matter of interpretation apart that to say that there should have been more notice taken of the statistics from Dr Fosters'. Note:  I spent a long time reading the many days of transcripts as I knew some of the people interrogated - There but for the grace of god etc!

[warley]

19 hours ago, Ryeman said:

....."apparently 3 days"?

Is there a link to this research result?.

I'd like to know how a figure of ~ 80 years less 3 days was calculated.

 

This is quite interesting - a review of the evidence with IMO some proper statistical rigour

https://medium.com/wintoncentre/does-air-pollution-kill-40-000-each-year-people-in-the-uk-ecca96fb3a1a