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Outofthi5world
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So, with the old topic being deleted by accident and numerous people doing nothing but complain, here it is, a new topic. Start from scratch and go from there. Add what you know and let's return to a

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there's an emissions scandal?

Ryeman
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Spare me!ONLY 60%! ONLY 15%! What if the 15% is overwhelmingly concentrated in congested urban areas with (for some) deadly consequences resulting. Is playing with our toys a higher priority the th

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^^^^^ first I've heard of the 1.2l (petrol?) being involved .

 

Agreed, I thought it was only the diesels that were involved, "dieselgate"!

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Autocar and other really should use the term VOLKSWAGEN GROUP RECALL  rather than helping the VW Group by always heading it VW.

http://autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-recalls-460000-cars-12-tdi-engine

 

1.2 TDI Euro 5 Emission Engines.

 

Volkswagen Polo

 

Skoda Fabia & are there any SKODA ROOMSTER's, like say a Greenline 1.2 TDI CR 75ps

 

Seat Ibiza

 

MAYBE THE VOLKSWAGEN GROUP COULD PUT OUT PRESS RELEASES WITH ALL THE DETAILS AND VEHICLES SO THAT PROFESSIONAL 
JOURNALISTS CAN PUT OUT ARTICLES WITH ALL THE INFORMATION.

Why would a Skoda Fabia / Roomster owner or a Seat Ibiza want to contact a Volkswagen Dealer? 

That is what they should do, and then say you want it done by a Volkswagen Technician at a Volkswagen Dealership.

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1.2 diesel is what they are referring to.

When did they first mention the 1.2 diesel being affected?.

The 2.0 and 1.6 were the only ones I've seen referred to.

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Way back when they first admitted that cars beyond the USA were involved as far as I remember.

Well the Americans certainly wouldn't have had those

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Keep up at the back please.

 

http://blog.caranddriver.com/volkswagen-a-d-the-plan-for-moving-past-the-scandal-that-must-not-be-named

No need really to be concerned for owners in the United States or the Dealerships the Legal System there is seeing them all OK.

Its like all their Christmases coming together as the VW Group which includes Audi & Porsche assume the position, 

pays out the money and tries to have no senior members of staff or board members prosecuted.

 

The 2.0 , 1.6 & 1.2 TDI have been included in the Scandal from the start but with nothing to do with the USA Scandal but with the European and rest of the world vehicles.

 

The 1.2 TDI has always been a more difficult fix for the Volkswagen Group hence the delay.

ANYONE WITH A 1.2 TDI really really needs to start a Feully & keep records if they care, and get those assurances and a signed document from the Agent Carrying out the work on behalf of the VW Group that your vehicle will have no worse performance or increased fuel consumption while they remove the illegal defeat device as was installed at the factory.

 

As to VW & a liaison with the DVLA.  That is rubbish,  They VW Group said that had happened many many months back,

the websites were set up in the UK for checking the vehicles affected and the letters were to be sent out and mainly were.

There are registered keepers that never got them, and cars in trade even at Volkswagen Group Main Dealers that might not have the Voluntary Recall Actions 'The Fix' carried out.

http://whatcar.com/news/volkswagen-delays-emissions-fixes

Links on here to the VIN Checkers for those Fabia & Roomster owners with 1.2 TDI that might not have had any contact already from the VW Group.

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It seems there are firm proposals dealing with aviation emissions

http://m.atwonline.com/eco-aviation/icao-seals-aviation-emissions-deal?NL=ATW-04&Issue=ATW-04_20161006_ATW-04_859&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_1_b&utm_rid=CPEN1000000426856&utm_campaign=7267&utm_medium=email&elq2=b9137afc5cdc4b88a8054b68e975b3e4

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It's a start but interesting comment part way down:

 

“The deal’s coverage of emissions falls well short of the ‘carbon neutral growth in 2020’ target promised by UN aviation body ICAO and industry, and the lack of clear rules for offsets presents a clear risk to the measure’s environmental effectiveness,” the Transport & Environment (T&E) lobby group said."

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It's a start but interesting comment part way down:

 

“The deal’s coverage of emissions falls well short of the ‘carbon neutral growth in 2020’ target promised by UN aviation body ICAO and industry, and the lack of clear rules for offsets presents a clear risk to the measure’s environmental effectiveness,” the Transport & Environment (T&E) lobby group said."[/size]

Ahhh

That's the escape clause perhaps

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yep. 

 

       

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Going to hydrogen fuel cell wouldn't be a bad idea and the oil and gas companies could probably be convinced to back it.

They have the money to develop the tech, build the distribution network at their petrol stations and also to invest in electric generation technology to make hydrogen.

Potentially even make it in situ at the filling station from water.

It wouldn't be a bad thing to change from internal combustion in the mid term.

Petrol and diesel engines are requiring lots of additions to make them cleaner, which are too expensive to replace when they fail on older cars.

That's not good for the environment.

Either way, change is going to happen, so that we're not so reliant on Russia, the middle east and others.

Politics and national security as much as the environment.

At a slight tangent on the VW emissions, line up to sue, get your balls rolling, get the evidence.

It would make a good negotiating piece with a few EU countries in Brexit.

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Germany being the homie of science and a bigger manufacturing exporter than than the entire USA has the power to decide our futures.

It's not just another country.

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So GM have a diesel to take Golf sales in the U.S.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106621_chevy-confirms-diesel-cruze-looks-to-capitalize-on-vws-loss#image=100576865

.......an American 'clean diesel' !?

 

How many gears is best then to improve consumption and lower emissions?  Reminds me of a Life of Brian sketch......

 

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If Germany bans petrol and diesel  engine  vehicles in 2030 it will have dire consequences, especially if the rest of the world does not follow suit. And I doubt that China  and India in particular will follow what will turn out to be a ban in the whole of the E U.  Design and production of traditional vehicles will move out of Europe . As far as I am aware , no mention has been made if the ban  relates to vehicles allowed to be used  or only manufactured after 2030, IF  the former, no-one is going to buy a traditionally powered vehicle for several years before  the cut off date  if it can only be used for a limited number of years, and could have an effect on some potential purchasers  from the year 2020 onwards. And the value of second-hand  vehicles will plummet like a stone.

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Maybe there is an ethanol future - converting CO2 to ethanol using nano-spikes

http://www.cemag.us/news/2016/10/nano-spike-converts-greenhouse-gas-fuel?et_cid=5617825&et_rid=916553762&type=cta&et_cid=5617825&et_rid=916553762&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cemag.us%2fnews%2f2016%2f10%2fnano-spike-converts-greenhouse-gas-fuel%3fet_cid%3d5617825%26et_rid%3d%25%25subscriberid%25%25%26type%3dcta

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Interesting, but looks like it's a power hungry process if they are talking about using excess electricity to balance the grid to convert the CO2.  I guess if that electrical energy were renewable that help.

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There's also a new AC gas, R1234yf, gradually being introduced - so I guess that'll be another sticker to look for.

Will it be compatible with existing systems?.

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