EA189 Emissions Update - my experience

[AGLC]

I had the software fix done a few months ago, on my Yeti 2.0 diesel, and the mpg decreased immediately by over 10%, a slight lack of power, and the DPF warning light has appeared 4 times. Can't be a coincindence. I've asked my local dealer if I can have the fix reversed.

[kenfowler3966]

They will say it's nothing to do with fix and anyway won't reverse it. Wasting your time really.

[Ootohere]

Not a waste of time making a Formal Complaint and having it logged since the VW UK CEO was trying to say only 1% complaints when 420,000 UK Vehicles were supposedly now 'Fixed' and many of those were the property of the VW Group / VW Finance and stock or lease vehicles.

 

Now that double that are done and 1.2, 2.0 & now eventually 1.6 TDI's being done 1% complaining of poorer, performance or economy is pie in the sky.

Eventually when VW have to admit to the outcome on thousands of vehicles and component failures Post Fix at least they will have to accept your complained early.

Maybe eventually you will get satisfaction or recompense, Fuel Cards or what ever not just  a 2 year extension limited warranty.

[CWARD]

1%. How large a pinch of salt do you take with that. Probably missed off the 0 at the end. What I don't get is all the lies and misleading of the public will cause much greater losses in the future. I know of a few people already who have ruled out getting a VAG car because they don't trust them. These include the in laws who've not had any real problems with their Golf and Polo but now looking at a Focus or 1 Series to relplace the Golf. This will the first time they've not had a VW or Audi on the driveway for decades. 

[munrorunner]

better to also log your issue with the independent VW Emissions Scandal group on Facebook as they are keeping a record of it. VW's 1% stat will remain because they always tell you the problem is unrelated so they don't have to log it and can keep their 1% figure. They are full of lies and political tactics. 

[eribaMotters]

Am I one of the few who seems to be OK with results of the "fix", at least so far?

Further to my earlier/other posts:-

• My 110bhp typically showed 48/52 mpg on the 100 hour running trip. At present it is showing 50.5mpg after 86 hrs.
• Regens did seem to be more frequent post fix, but this seems to have subsided. Does the engine learn what is happening, as I recall when I collected the car from new regens seemed to be fairly frequent.
• Performance seems the same, with the exception a bit more top end go. This has become more apparent on a spate of brisk return runs from Southend-on-sea to Southport, about 260 miles, repeatedly done in 4 hrs [5 am departure and 6pm return to avoid traffic] On these runs at speed the car is returning low/mid 50s mpg.  On the occasion when I have been more sensible I have still managed 60/65mpg.

What I do have in common with other members though is a deep resentment at how we the customer has been treated.

None of us get things perfect, but how we respond to a ****-up is the make or break point.

 

For my next vehicle I was considering a Seat Ateca, Skoda Karoq, VW Tiguan or Audi A3. I will now be looking at a Mercedes C class estate, Mazda CX5 or Jaguar E Pace

 

Colin

[33q]

Well I finally received my letter this week. So the 140Tdi DSGs have reached the top of the pile. 

 

The piece of paper will be neatly filed 'no action required'!

 

I'm more than happy with my Shark stage 1 remap. 

[Paulius13]

Hello folks, great report and thanks for sharing it, my one is due this Thursday but when I read this topic I'm sticking two fingers to that nonsense. I have Yeti Greenline II 1.6 TDI and just got an average of 60 MPG doing mix of 50 60 and 70 MPH 6 days a week. Using only shell v-power nitro diesel with occasional use of redex to full tank I'm very pleased with my mileage and car performs very well. So why would I want to make it worse? It seems you are just doing VW group a favour to fix their problem, but could end up having problems with your own car. No way man, I'm out. Thanks again.

Edited 17 July, 2017 by Paulius13

[Kris82]

On 7/14/2017 at 15:24, AGLC said:

I had the software fix done a few months ago, on my Yeti 2.0 diesel, and the mpg decreased immediately by over 10%, a slight lack of power, and the DPF warning light has appeared 4 times. Can't be a coincindence. I've asked my local dealer if I can have the fix reversed.

vw will do a regen just as a courtesy on vw cars assuming there are no fault codes from the dpf stored before the fix.

It's worth a phone call to skoda to see if they will do it out of courtesy.

 

 

Edited 26 July, 2017 by Kris82

[Ootohere]

^^^ 

It is not a 'courtesy',  it is an Obligation, Corporate responsibility due to being lying cheating barstewards.

 

So you make your official complaint because Paul Willis CEO VW UK and other VW Employees have tried saying only 1% that have had the fix have reported issues, 

but then UK MP's said they never believed him and as it proves they appear to be good judges.

[Kris82]

52 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

^^^ 

It is not a 'courtesy',  it is an Obligation, Corporate responsibility due to being lying cheating barstewards.

 

So you make your official complaint because Paul Willis CEO VW UK and other VW Employees have tried saying only 1% that have had the fix have reported issues, 

but then UK MP's said they never believed him and as it proves they appear to be good judges.

I have heard that Audi won't do it though even if fault occurs after 'fix'. 

 

[Kris82]

On 7/14/2017 at 15:24, AGLC said:

I had the software fix done a few months ago, on my Yeti 2.0 diesel, and the mpg decreased immediately by over 10%, a slight lack of power, and the DPF warning light has appeared 4 times. Can't be a coincindence. I've asked my local dealer if I can have the fix reversed.

Also to add to this, your car before fix should have regenerated around the 800 mile mark, but after fix it apparently should then regen every 300 miles, hence the warning lights after fix, maybe.

 

 

[Ootohere]

Audi UK will have to do what Audi UK are told to do by VW or even a court finally.

 

Have Audi UK said officially anyplace if a car that gets the Fix then runs like crap do not come back to complain as we will do jack sh!t?

Link please to that 'Press Statement'.

Edited 26 July, 2017 by Awayoffski

[fuzzybunny]

So sorry to here so many guys having problems with the fix. 

From what I have read it seems to be down to issue with the EGR valve that sends exhaust gas back into the fuel inlet to reduce combustion temperatures which reduces NOx emissions.

Apparently the EGR valve can get clogged up and fail regularly.

That is probably an over simplification on my part but there is no way the f*ckers are getting their hands on my 5 year old yeti.

Yes I have had a few letters inviting me in to have the grease monkeys connect my engine to their big brother diagnostic computer but the answer is Noooooooo!

 

 

[Sad555]

Government now talking of a diesel scrappage scheme.

[Ootohere]

Which government where?   Is Philip Hammond MP and Chris grayling MP talking about it this week or is it Michael Gove MP / Environmental Secretary of state? 

[muddyboots]

On 26/07/2017 at 15:43, Kris82 said:

Also to add to this, your car before fix should have regenerated around the 800 mile mark, but after fix it apparently should then regen every 300 miles, hence the warning lights after fix, maybe.

 

 

You'd be very, very lucky indeed to go 800 miles between active regens, fix or no fix.

I think that's around the maximum distance-based limit the ECU will allow between regens, if you somehow managed to maintain perfect driving conditions / exhaust gas temps for passive regeneration to occur and keep the soot loading low for that long.

 

In reality...

I did extensive logging of EGTs, soot loading and regen patterns on my stock, un-fixed 170.

I'd be lucky to get 300 miles between active regens, and that was with a large proportion of my journeys cruising at 60mph+. Generally I think I got around 250-300 miles before the soot loading triggered an active regen.

The EGTs simply never got high enough for passive regeneration to keep the soot loading low enough. Drive faster to increase EGTs - soot production increases too.

But it's OK, as the active regens are unobtrusive, and work just fine.

 

Everyone's journeys and driving conditions will be different, and so will their distances between active regens.

What's becoming clear is that increased EGR associated with the fix, is decreasing the mileage between active regens.

Increased EGR causes more soot production, which loads the DPF faster, and I guess the increased soot may be the cause of increased EGR failures if it's causing the valves to clog.

 

 

[pinkpanther]

By way of a further update - my Yeti is now (officially) outside the manufacturer's warranty period and no issues have yet presented themselves, following the Shark remap.

 

DPF regeneration frequency has settled at the 200-300 mile mark.

 

Fuel economy took a bit of a dive recently, given largely urban usage (mid to high 30's), but overall seems to have settled to broadly similar levels to that obtained pre EA189 update (averaging 41-42 mpg).

 

I'm not entirely sure how to interpret the data, but the VAG DPF android app tells me my oil ash level is currently at 34%. Assuming this rises in a linear fashion, I'd assume my DPF should last last until well over 100k miles??

 

I'd fancied a change back to petrol, but couldn't afford the 1.4 150 BHP petrol (and value the traction afforded by the 4wd). The 1.2 is OK (I've previously owned one), but not cut out for heavy loads (roof-box / family etc) IMHO.

 

May look at the Karoq in due course (Kodiak too big), but until then will stick with the existing car, assuming it continues to behave itself (and presents no large bills!).

Edited 31 July, 2017 by pinkpanther

[pinkpanther]

I did recently test drive a nearly new 1.4 TSi L&K and it's a genuinely lovely thing - quick, smooth and noticeably lighter at the front end. Still retailing at >£20k, which is too much, given the model is now obsolete and soon to be replaced (also couldn't live with the interior colour scheme).

 

I'm a little frustrated I didn't take advantage of the numerous PCH deals on offer some months ago.

Edited 31 July, 2017 by pinkpanther

[eribaMotters]

Well, everything had been going so well, until 3rd August.

I had a very nice 3 hr trip towing the caravan from Southend-on-sea to near Cromer.  40mpg, running and pulling nicely.

Went to go about 4:30 pm and found the "exhaust inspection system" warning light. The book says:-

"If the indicator light  lights up, there is a fault in the exhaust inspection system.
The system allows the vehicle to run in emergency mode.
Seek assistance from a specialist garage immediately."

So I phoned up Robinsons in Norwich, explained out of warranty/fix done/could it be EGR valve. They had the car in at 11am next day and ran a diagnostic, so good on them for quick service.

Result was no exhaust fault found, but following fault codes showed up from a week earlier:-

• high speed Can Communication bus
• engine control module faulty
• throttle pedal position sensor.

Car ran fine from then on with no loss in power. 2 up 55mpg + on the maxidot, 38mpg when towing.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Colin

[dasower]

I dont know if the engineers were looking at the right data. Bet they might just have re set the system to clear the faults.

 

Had offer from Skoda dealer to take their recent special part x offer, ended on 31st July. Gave them my details and waited for a valuation.

 

Got car from SKODA dealer seen in showroom July 2013 at £24500, did part x with my 2009 Yeti which was Elegance, no 4WD not DSG, no sunroof, had £12800 allowed.

 

Part x valuation after 4 yrs and 36400 miles was £8500. Contacted another SKODA dealer on same promotion, same valuation against new 1.2 DSG Monte Carlo.

 

Will be keeping my Yeti with 4WD, DSG, and Panoramic sunroof etc.

 

Probably not get another SKODA now, looking at KIA or Mecedes.

[Rustynuts]

 

8 minutes ago, dasower said:

 

Probably not get another SKODA now, looking at KIA or Mecedes.

 

Mercedes have recently announced they're recalling 3 million diesel cars to adjust them for emissions which aren't as they should be. I doubt very much that no other manufacturer is going to be following suit as this unfolds further, so jumping ship now in the hope of finding a manufacturer who is whiter than white might be a flawed policy.

[pinkpanther]

1 hour ago, dasower said:

I dont know if the engineers were looking at the right data. Bet they might just have re set the system to clear the faults.

 

Had offer from Skoda dealer to take their recent special part x offer, ended on 31st July. Gave them my details and waited for a valuation.

 

Got car from SKODA dealer seen in showroom July 2013 at £24500, did part x with my 2009 Yeti which was Elegance, no 4WD not DSG, no sunroof, had £12800 allowed.

 

Part x valuation after 4 yrs and 36400 miles was £8500. Contacted another SKODA dealer on same promotion, same valuation against new 1.2 DSG Monte Carlo.

 

Will be keeping my Yeti with 4WD, DSG, and Panoramic sunroof etc.

 

Probably not get another SKODA now, looking at KIA or Mecedes.

 

I suspect a combination of both the (current) anti diesel (&4x4) sentiment, along with the relative age of the Yeti has resulted in the poor quoted residual value (~30%) at 4 years old.

 

My original Yeti (2009 1.2 TSi SE) returned nearly all its original  purchase price when part exchanged at 1 year/10k miles. At a similar time a work colleague actually paid above the new price for a second hand 4x4, such was the demand in the months after launch.

 

My second Yeti 2012 TDi Urban) was worth ~65% of its purchase cost at 2.5 years / 40k miles, whereas my current (2014 4x4 140 BHP manual) car is seemingly unsaleable (was advertised on here at less than CAP trade-in value with no interest). 

 

The EA189 update prompted me to remap my car and I now plan to keep it for the foreseeable future, given nothing else currently "floats my boat" (at or around the current value of my mapped Yeti).

 

 

 

 

Edited 8 August, 2017 by pinkpanther

[marcusthehat]

13 hours ago, dasower said:

Probably not get another SKODA now, looking at KIA or Mecedes.

 

 

That blithe statement will cause Mercedes senior management team sleepless nights, or should, quite seriously.

Since it so aptly demonstrates the clear public perception of brand values/engineering integrity.

Compared to say 15 or 20 years ago.

mth

[Ootohere]

There is always the vehicles built in the Czech Republic to pretty good Quality Controls to consider from Hyundai.