So when car sales are falling ,is the scrappage scheme the answer for the environmental problems or just stock clearing & profit making?

[vrskeith]

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/ford-launches-scrappage-scheme-remove-pre-euro-5-vehicles-road

 

https://news.bmw.co.uk/article/the-bmw-lower-emissions-allowance/

 

etc.....

Edited 22 August, 2017 by vrskeith

[Breezy_Pete]

0.1% concern for the environment, 99.9% money making.

That estimate may exaggerate the importance of the environment to the industry.

[kevberlin]

Sell the old car privately or scrap it.

Buy the new car with cash and negotiate £2k discount.

 

I note many PCP deals "offering" £2000 contributions too

it's all the same old nonsense....................just marketing

 

 

[Sad555]

 It was only a few years ago the government warned  how dangerous CO2 emissions were from petrol vehicles and introduced a scrappage scheme and lured people into buying diesel vehicles less co2, well that's another fine mess the government has got us into AGAIN.

[lol-lol]

2 hours ago, vrskeith said:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/ford-launches-scrappage-scheme-remove-pre-euro-5-vehicles-road

 

https://news.bmw.co.uk/article/the-bmw-lower-emissions-allowance/

 

etc.....

 

Dacia cars sales are not and that feed in to the Nissan-Renault Group as they have got the offering right.

 

The £2K schemes are generally cons as these companies ie Ford, GM, BMW etc have raised there prices substantially over the last 5 quarters since the BREXIT vote and the fall in the UK currency as most of their cars are produced on the UK mainland. 

 

Diesel sales have fallien twice as much as petrol cars but what the main change that needs to occur is to educate people for the car that would actually suit them.  Diesels are best for people where most their journeys are over 10 miles or they need to tow but the salesman would rather sell you a £16-£17k diesel than a £15K petrol which produces the same power and the real fuel consumption for short journeys is actually not very different.

[Ootohere]

lol-lol,

i can have a 17 plate Dacia Duster Diesel Automatic with 8 miles on the clock for £15,500. 

I went to see it because it looked like being a potential keeper, what a shame about the seating position, and the driving experience, 

other wise what an absolute bargain in the way of metal for money....

 

PS

Just checked Autotrader just now, 

if i travel there is one the same with 5 miles for £14,400.

Must wait a week or 3 and see how much cheaper those 17 plates get.

Edited 22 August, 2017 by Awayoffski

[threadbear]

Surely the reason many people run older cars is either they have no desire to spend a lot of money on a car or they would like a newer car but simply can`t afford one? Even £2000 scrappage for an older  banger isnt much help if a replacement is 12 grand plus and you earn the minimum wage or just above and have many financial responsibilities?

[Ootohere]

Ahh but the Borrowing of money is still cheap, and the car manufacturers do not just want to sell cars they manufacture they want you renting them on finance and keeping the Money Pyramid going on for a few more years.

 

As it is the German leader that is questioning the Bonuses paid to the Executives and the Golden Goose is soon to be cooked, 

so they need to shift motors, and as for the big manufacturers, September is just about here, 

all new Type Approvals from then on will be having to undergo new EU Testing, 

so they really are up sh!te creak from next year unless they have some really 'Green' vehicles / engines ready for the next lot they will be selling / renting.

 

I wonder where they think they will punt these Trade in's coming their way as well as all the Lease & Financed on the drip returns?

What demand is there going to be for the Pre Euro 5 Dirty Diesels at auction, or is the Government going to give Dealerships a Scrappage Tax Break rather than private individuals?

Edited 22 August, 2017 by Awayoffski

[Breezy_Pete]

51 minutes ago, threadbear said:

Surely the reason many people run older cars is either they have no desire to spend a lot of money on a car...

...and they may know that if one really gives a toss about the environment long-term, it's anything but good sense to scrap cars that are working well, and 'spend' masses/tonnes of CO2 manufacturing new ones.

[Aspman]

There are plenty of people who fall for any and every scheme be it scrappage or VIP evenings etc. That's why they do them.

If you're here you're probably a bit more of a car enthusiast and less likely to be quite so taken in by these sorts of offerings.

I see Vauxhall is also doing a scheme now as well.

 

Car sales are tanking right now. Wages still down in real terms prices all going up fast. PCP deals going to start to bite people soon.

I don't think panic has set in yet but it'll come.

Edited 22 August, 2017 by Aspman

[lol-lol]

2 hours ago, Awayoffski said:

lol-lol,

i can have a 17 plate Dacia Duster Diesel Automatic with 8 miles on the clock for £15,500. 

I went to see it because it looked like being a potential keeper, what a shame about the seating position, and the driving experience, 

other wise what an absolute bargain in the way of metal for money....

PS

Just checked Autotrader just now, 

if i travel there is one the same with 5 miles for £14,400.

Must wait a week or 3 and see how much cheaper those 17 plates get.

 

Dacia have been slow to launch autos in the UK with the Diesel Duster been the only one. I would like to see the auto on the excellent 125 hp 1.2 TCE engine to combine petrol zip with ease of driving.  On other Dacia models they get the easy R box which is about half the price of a full auto box on the Continent.

 

I have not tried a Duster yet but I have just found the new Seat Ibiza rather poor in the seating pedal position (Spanish car so LHD). Clutch pedal seemed be directly in front of me, brake and accelerator well to the right.  Good space for resting left foot which I appreciate with a dicky left knee.  Dacia Logan/Sandero seats are very comfy if not a little lacking in bolster support. Done 50K miles in the Logan in two years, no back discomfort, 300 miles to do this afternoon/evening.

 

And all with tiny emissions from its very efficient 0.9 litre 3 cylinder turbo petrol and running for low 20s pence per mile, yippie aye yay.      

  

 

https://youtu.be/gbwFRfB7L84

 

 

 

Edited 22 August, 2017 by lol-lol

[tubbytommy]

Why would you want a dacia is the question 

[Ootohere]

Transport from A-B without using public transport, taxis or walking cycling would be one good reason, 

and just buying a car and not a fancy badge at inflated prices.  Keep them and depreciation is not an issue.

 

So FORD are scrapping the Trade in cars, 

i take it that is where £2,000 is paid by them for ones not worth that, which might be ones that people might see at Dealers with a £3,000 asking price normally.

[octyal]

Personally I think reducing emissions isn't the goal, it's just a smoke screen for selling cars on 3 year PCP deals. As I have just read, those that are driving around in 10-15 year old cars are doing so because that's all they can afford, and I reckon that is right (apart from the odd few who are tight with their money, or don't like to flaunt it around, lol). I for one won't be trading in my Mk 1 for a new car, it's cleaner than a new car anyway as it runs on LPG  

 

If anyone is in the position of being able to purchase any potential future classics that are pre Euro 5, than do so before the go the way of some of the ones that were culled in the last scrappage scheme (remember the pictures of all the old escorts, capris, jags etc that were traded in? - think of that with stuff like fabia and Octavia vrs models.....)

[@Lee]

1 hour ago, tubbytommy said:

Why would you want a dacia is the question 

Same question used to be asked about Škoda.

[skomaz]

3 hours ago, threadbear said:

Surely the reason many people run older cars is either they have no desire to spend a lot of money on a car or they would like a newer car but simply can`t afford one? Even £2000 scrappage for an older  banger isnt much help if a replacement is 12 grand plus and you earn the minimum wage or just above and have many financial responsibilities?

 

Or people buy them, look after them and don't see the point in changing them just for the sake of it, or to 'keep up with the Jones's'...

[threadbear]

21 minutes ago, skomaz said:

 

Or people buy them, look after them and don't see the point in changing them just for the sake of it, or to 'keep up with the Jones's'...

 

Many many reasons why people dont change their cars as regular as others. 

[lfc958]

the only time something like this is worthwhile is if you have a 15 + year old care worth less than £1000, and you have the cash / ready cheap loan to buy.

I would however be surprised if you could get a decent discount on top of this, i.e £2000 px + some places offering 3-4 k off list price, not forgetting that its a car you actually want     

[Aspman]

3 hours ago, tubbytommy said:

Why would you want a dacia is the question 

 

I had a poke about a used one as a cheap winter 4x4 hack / going to the dump car. TBH they seem pretty decent value.

Yeah it's all a bit low rent and crappy if you compare it to a beemer but it was £14k new not £50k.

[tubbytommy]

Another deal created by out of touch morons. 

The reason people drive around in old cars is mostly due to not being able to afford a new one. 

[Ootohere]

& many have money and old cars because they know the value of things, and then out of the garage might come another old car, or a newer one, 

or the really expensive one because they buy cars they want or need to have.

Lots have work /daily cars and practical vehicles, then a lifestyle one and a hobby car.

 

Amazing these Classic Car Magazines, Adverts, Auctions etc, Car Events etc, so many vehicles at all prices and the country is seemingly under austerity.

Then there are Boating & Yachting Mags, adverts and marinas etc. Lots of toys for boys and girls around.

 

Many many Euro 5 & Euro 6 vehicles on the roads in the UK are owned by the banks or other financial institutions, 

so that will be Pension Funds really.

Many older or even classic cars will also be on tick, ie borrowed money.

 

Lots of older cars on V5 Loans that cost the driver a few grand a year and the cars are not worth a grand, not even 2 grand 

but then many might have to just default on them seeing as the V5 company will not let you hand them back or sell them 

as you will still be owing them lots.

 

Edited 22 August, 2017 by Awayoffski

[Ttaskmaster]

26 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

& many have money and old cars because they know the value of things, and then out of the garage might come another old car, or a newer one, 

or the really expensive one because they buy cars they want or need to have.

 

 

So this is just a scheme for dealers to get a free Ford Mustang GT California Special (because it's petrol) by selling you a £12k new car with a £14k price sticker on it...!!

 

5 hours ago, Aspman said:

If you're here you're probably a bit more of a car enthusiast and less likely to be quite so taken in by these sorts of offerings.

 

 

I'm here because a garage not knowing to use new bolts instead of reusing the old ones resulted in me getting a free car!!

I still can't afford to replace it, though, even with a £5k scrappage scheme...

[@Lee]

2 hours ago, tubbytommy said:

Another deal created by out of touch morons. 

The reason people drive around in old cars is mostly due to not being able to afford a new one. 

That's the sole reason, is it? 
So people don't get attached to their cars, or look after their cars and want to get the full life out of it, or only use it for short trips thus negating the need for a new car every three years, or, as mentioned earlier, for environmental reasons (emissions from new car Vs emissions from keeping car).
Seen your posts before. Must be nice up there on your high horse. Don't fall off, will you. 

[lol-lol]

9 hours ago, tubbytommy said:

Why would you want a dacia is the question 

 

The Dacia are the best value cars currently on  the market ie they do the job for the least pence per mile.  I would have liked a Clio RS to replace my Fabia 2 VRS as there was no performance hot hatches in the Skoda range only dog slow diesels or barge sized VRS petrol Octavias and Superbs.

 

After more than a dozen Skodas, starting with a Felecia in the mid-nineties, several "proper" VRS ie petrol ones, although the Fabia 1 VRS was quite fun comparatively, despite its slow 0-60 of 9 seconds.  A couple of L&Ks too, the 1.8TSi Octavia 2, an absolute wiesel VRS eater, it became clear the Skoda has lost its way in the early part of this decade in terms of value and the range available.  The only one I would consider is the 280 hp  Superb but that is a lot of money for what it is with VAT at 20% and no "we'll pay the VAT" which I bought the Octavia 2 200 hp VRS 7 seconds to 60 VRS.

 

Dacia, whilst they tend to use the older chassis, they use the latest Nissan-Renault engines. The 0.9 TCE is great.  Pulls the Logan, even with 600 litres of luggage to indicated 115 mph, cruises at indicated 80 mph, does 50 mpg and cost £10K with satnav, phone, media, aircon. Preferred my S type Jag but the Logan does very well.   Next car will almost definately be from the Nissan-Renault stable and after nearly twenty Audis, SEATS and Skodas that is a huge wrench but I cannot see return to VAG with their current products and prices (though some SEATs seem to be the best of the bunch value but my rental of a SEAT in Spain did not help their cause).           

.

[threadbear]

Driving home from work today I looked at the amount of cars in good condition which were on 06-09 regs and they were certainly in the majority and I am fortunate to live in an affluent area. I did say that one of the reasons people don't buy new cars is that they can't afford them? 

 

Of course that that statement isn't entirely true!