1 hour ago, Alex-W said:

 

Having everything super smooth and whisper quiet is also important.   I hold no value in either...  Each to their own!

 

 

That's probably why you get on with the Octavia so well as ride and noise suppression are probably the Mk3 Octavia's weakest points.

 

To get to the price point Skoda use the cheapest suspension components from VAG's MQB parts bin. Even IRS models don't get the light alloy components that models higher up the pecking order get and the lack of sound insulation is well documented on the forums

 

Spend a couple of hours a day on fast A roads and Motorways with a fair sprinkle of ridges and poor surfaces and it can get annoying.

 

 

Edited 6 October, 20196 yr by logiclee

18 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

That's probably why you get on with the Octavia so well as ride and noise suppression are probably the Mk3 Octavia's weakest points.

 

To get to the price point Skoda use the cheapest suspension components from VAG's MQB parts bin. Even IRS models don't get the light alloy components that models higher up the pecking order get and the lack of sound insulation is well documented on the forums

 

Spend a couple of hours a day on fast A roads and Motorways with a fair sprinkle of ridges and poor surfaces and it can get annoying.

 

 

I must have a high tolerance for noise and vibration as I have clocked up more than 700 hours in my Vrs over the last 2 years on mainly the M1.

16 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

I must have a high tolerance for noise and vibration as I have clocked up more than 700 hours in my Vrs over the last 2 years on mainly the M1.

 

I wouldn't say the Mk3 has an issue with vibration but tyre noise yes and suspension thump noise yes. Not helped with the weak audio. Mine didn't suffer from the booming wind noise issue either.

 

Our Mk2 was a more refined motorway cruiser.

6 hours ago, Gmac983 said:

Look teescom09. 

You seem to be taking personal offense to various comments on this thread. 

You have your own seemly strong opinions/views (which you are perfectly entitled to as is everyone else on here I might add after all it is a forum to discuss mainly skoda based topics) . 

I was not at anytime stating that my choice of skoda was better than anyone else's.

What I did say was, I do not agree with your opinion that Ford is leagues ahead of skoda and I certainly did not agree with your view that Audi is worth the price premium over skoda for what in broad terms is basically the same vehicles. Not to mention substandard service from local Audi agent. I am entitled to that opinion as I have owned both, so I pays my money and takes my choice. 

I am not going to agree with you, so please stop trying to argue/belittle me into submission. 

Nothing is directed at you personally ! If it was I would say so. I try to avoid personal attack's as it stinks and is childish. Chill out man!  

 

Skoda Ford who gives a ****. I don’t but have to counter  some claims.  I personally think most Fords are better than their Skoda equivalents and so do most of the world. Otherwise Skodas sales would be multiple times higher. 

 

Back to topic. A Mondeo is a better car by a margin in my opinion. BUT, I like performance cars and they don’t make one, hence I got a VRS petrol for work, which I have just parted with after 50k from new. If I was to get a mainstream version it would be Mondeo over a Octavia. But then I would get a few cars before a Mondeo. E.g. A4/6, 3/5 series or XF estate  if the deal was right.  

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

I must have a high tolerance for noise and vibration as I have clocked up more than 700 hours in my Vrs over the last 2 years on mainly the M1.

My VRS WAS quite refined, and compared to others I have and had I would say a soft ride, a little too soft when pushing. Was little tyre noise with GoodYear Assy 3’s. Averaged 37mpg overall. Plastics a bit cheap and some material questionable like carpets, interior gloss black finish and the water paint they use on the brake disc hubs. Oh and the alloy corrosion is pretty bad. Had a few expensive warranty claims but was a pleasant experience overall. Might get the new one if its manual with far more power. And looks a lot better than current one at the front. 

Edited 6 October, 20196 yr by teescom09

8 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

My VRS WAS quite refined, and compared to others I have and had I would say a soft ride, a little too soft when pushing. 

 

I wouldn't say the Octavia is too firm in standard spec or VRS. My XF on 19's is much firmer and so is a Golf R. But in both of those there's no crashyness in potholes or thumps through the cabin on ridges.

Sometimes the torsion beam had me wincing going over poor surfaces and that was on 17's.  I did test drive a L&K 2.0TDi on 18's and that was torture.

It's not the firmness it's how the shocks are transmitted into the cabin. 

And to be on topic thats something that Ford have always been good at.  Even the Fiesta ST has a very firm torsion beam setup but it's not as crashy as the Octavia with the same setup.

 

Tescom09

I know nothing is being personally directed at me.

We have differing views on the same subject, end-off. 

But since this is a skoda forum the majority view is clearly going to favor skoda isn't it. 

Same could be said if this was a Ford forum, obviously the majority would then be with Ford in this debate. 

Of course Ford will out sell Skoda since Ford is truly a global company, Skoda is a very long way short of that and IMO non the worse for it as Skoda are not trying to market americanised "world" cars to other markets, hence the the latest mondeo is nothing like as good as its euro only predicessor. 

BTW I don't claim Skoda to be the best and **** the rest as I have had issues with skoda myself plus I am not exactly over the moon with doing business with AC either.

Also what you say about the octy vrs handling is spot on, the rear end was mismatched with the front, I always thought that the front was just right for my taste, the rear end much too soft when pressing on (same applies when driving fully loaded or towing with it, rear was too soft).

Edited 6 October, 20196 yr by Gmac983

My Octavia is just a car. I'm on here as it is a useful forum. 

 

I don't feel any attachment to the brand or the car.

 

My previous Mondeo was a better car. 

This could be summarised slightly easier.

 

The most powerful engines in both cars are 2.0 petrol turbos producing around 240bhp.

 

The Mondeo weighs 200kg more than the Octavia.

 

The Octavia is therefore quicker.

 

Seeing as this is the single most important factor in any car, it's quite easy, the Octavia is better.

 

The end.  

Edited 7 October, 20196 yr by Alex-W

2 hours ago, Alex-W said:

This could be summarised slightly easier.

 

The most powerful engines in both cars are 2.0 petrol turbos producing around 240bhp.

 

The Mondeo weighs 200kg more than the Octavia.

 

The Octavia is therefore quicker.

 

Seeing as this is the single most important factor in any car, it's quite easy, the Octavia is better.

 

The end.  

Finally, someone who can simplify this highly complex debate hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

11 minutes ago, JamiePvrs said:

Finally, someone who can simplify this highly complex debate hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Quite right. Ride, handling, traction, steering feel, comfort and gear change are all very over-rated. 

 

We Octavia drivers live our lives a quarter mile at a time. 

6 hours ago, MC Bodge said:

Quite right. Ride, handling, traction, steering feel, comfort and gear change are all very over-rated. 

 

We Octavia drivers live our lives a quarter mile at a time. 

Well at the risk of repeating myself 330bhp in a 1,370kg hatchback ensures Mondeo drivers don't stay ahead for too long. Even if they have better handling and ride they soon disappear.

5 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Well at the risk of repeating myself 330bhp in a 1,370kg hatchback ensures Mondeo drivers don't stay ahead for too long. Even if they have better handling and ride they soon disappear.

That's right. In the real world of constantly racing flat out to work on empty roads, the Octavia is the king. 

3 minutes ago, MC Bodge said:

That's right. In the real world of constantly racing flat out to work on empty roads, the Octavia is the king. 

Fiesta ST drivers are very annoying because they think their car is unbeatable so need to be educated by a barge like my Octavia.

Edited 7 October, 20196 yr by shyVRS245
WRONG WORD

Drove a Fiesta the other week - crappy interior, negligible 'go' - it felt like the throttle pedal wasn't connected to anything more than a hamster - and I wasn't that inspired y the handling either...   so I'm not really sure what all the fuss was about?

 

Past history of Fords in the family has also all been bad (but then that was basic interiors, variable venturi carbs and lean burn engines - so a long time ago but enough to put us off).

2 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Fiesta ST drivers are very annoying because they think their car is unbeatable so need to be educated by a barge like my Octavia.

 

15 minutes ago, skomaz said:

Drove a Fiesta the other week - crappy interior, negligible 'go' - it felt like the throttle pedal wasn't connected to anything more than a hamster - and I wasn't that inspired y the handling either...   so I'm not really sure what all the fuss was about?

 

Past history of Fords in the family has also all been bad (but then that was basic interiors, variable venturi carbs and lean burn engines - so a long time ago but enough to put us off).

 

Shhhhh guys....

You'll upset the Fordiphiles. 

On 06/10/2019 at 16:54, logiclee said:

 

That's probably why you get on with the Octavia so well as ride and noise suppression are probably the Mk3 Octavia's weakest points.

 

To get to the price point Skoda use the cheapest suspension components from VAG's MQB parts bin. Even IRS models don't get the light alloy components that models higher up the pecking order get and the lack of sound insulation is well documented on the forums

 

Spend a couple of hours a day on fast A roads and Motorways with a fair sprinkle of ridges and poor surfaces and it can get annoying.

 

 

 

i agree with this review. I would opt for the ford mondeo.

octavia is a noisy car and it vibrates more than my 2012 hyundai i30 on the motorway.

 

 

 

Edited 7 October, 20196 yr by cr_2dman

49 minutes ago, cr_2dman said:

 

i agree with this review. I would opt for the ford mondeo.

octavia is a noisy car and it vibrates more than my 2012 hyundai i30 on the motorway.

 

 

 

The Octavia is quiet in some ways, but road vibrations are felt through the car. Our fairly basic 13 year old Fiesta Zetec rides better over rippled and bumpy surfaces - it steers and handles very well too. 

1 hour ago, skomaz said:

Drove a Fiesta the other week - crappy interior, negligible 'go' - it felt like the throttle pedal wasn't connected to anything more than a hamster - and I wasn't that inspired y the handling either...   so I'm not really sure what all the fuss was about?

 

Past history of Fords in the family has also all been bad (but then that was basic interiors, variable venturi carbs and lean burn engines - so a long time ago but enough to put us off).

 Skodas of the 80s on the other hand..... 

1 hour ago, MC Bodge said:

 Skodas of the 80s on the other hand..... 

 

Indeed - probably just as bad but Skoda have moved on with help - I'm not convinced Ford have to the same extent given the Fiesta experience...

 

Clearly not the same as a Mondeo but just my opinion...  I bought a new car last year and having looked at Fords they were very quickly off my list...

10 minutes ago, skomaz said:

 

Indeed - probably just as bad but Skoda have moved on with help - I'm not convinced Ford have to the same extent given the Fiesta experience...

 

Clearly not the same as a Mondeo but just my opinion...  I bought a new car last year and having looked at Fords they were very quickly off my list...

Were you around in the 80s? Do you know what Skoda were like? 

 

I have owned 3 Mondeos (Mk1, 3 & 4) and my Dad owned a Mk2. I didn't buy a current model Mondeo, as they have moved away from what I want, and I was a bit fed up of having a wide car that needed to be squeezed into many parking spaces, hence the Octavia, but the Fiesta and Focus are still very good handling cars, if more insulated than the older ones. 

 

I've owned my Octavia for 6 months and despite it being good at some things, and having tried to rectify some of the shortcomings, I have yet to form any sort of attachment to it. It is what it is -a cheapened VAG car 

 

 

When the MK4 rolls out next month, this topic will have to start all over again.

And as it now seems its getting more TLC and Completely new chassis form etc..., as the Skala is now the companies base model.

 

Whereas the new Mondeo is just a Mondeo?

Edited 7 October, 20196 yr by skoda2019

2 minutes ago, skoda2019 said:

When the MK4 rolls out next month, this topic will have to start all over again.

And as it now seems its getting more TLC and Completely new chassis form etc..., as the Skala is now the companies base model.

 

Whereas the new Mondeo is just a Mondeo?

Right. 

4 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Well at the risk of repeating myself 330bhp in a 1,370kg hatchback ensures Mondeo drivers don't stay ahead for too long. Even if they have better handling and ride they soon disappear.

 

4 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Fiesta ST drivers are very annoying because they think their car is unbeatable so need to be educated by a barge like my Octavia.

 

It looks like having too much power induces amnesia!

 

From the Forum Guidelines:-

It is expected that members will not:

- start worthless threads, stupid stunts, street racing/drag racing on public roads or bragging rights. i.e. My car is quicker than your car, or versus threads

 

In the market today if your not doing anything different your dead. 

It does indeed look like the mondeo is for the chopping block... eventually. As Ford US have stated there won't be another fusion for the mondeo to be based on. No doubt Ford UK will manage to flog the old dear on for a good while yet though. 

The 3 box saloon (I know mondeo is a hatch) is a dieing breed. 

That is why octy and superb have been so successful. They offer considerably more size/space and much better value for money over their respective competitors (manufacturers need to have a special niche or some form of advantage to stay ahead). As after all the octy is a focus competitor and the superb is a mondeo competitor, not octy v mondeo as OP. 

Also it's why crossovers are killing off traditional saloon cars and mpvs. 

Edited 7 October, 20196 yr by Gmac983