4 hours ago, KenONeill said:

So it's not "Formula 1" but "Formula tyre management" then?

 

I am not sure why tyre companies do the F1 supply gig.  Seems to be a bit of a no win.  

 

The cars may only weight about three quarters of a tonne fully loaded with fuel but then have to withstand 5 G plus and speed running over 350 kph, be interesting to see what speeds the F1 cars do as the bikes hit 357 down the pit 1.14 km straight.

 

Remember debacle at Indianpolis F1 in the banking section where the F1 tyres could not handle the loads compared to the Good year Indy car tyres, we ended up with an F1 race with 6 cars.

 

Let see how the F1 cars go on 18 inch wheels instead of 13 inch mini wheels. 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

 

I am not sure why tyre companies do the F1 supply gig.  Seems to be a bit of a no win.  

 

The cars may only weight about three quarters of a tonne fully loaded with fuel but then have to withstand 5 G plus and speed running over 350 kph, be interesting to see what speeds the F1 cars do as the bikes hit 357 down the pit 1.14 km straight.

 

Remember debacle at Indianpolis F1 in the banking section where the F1 tyres could not handle the loads compared to the Good year Indy car tyres, we ended up with an F1 race with 6 cars.

 

Let see how the F1 cars go on 18 inch wheels instead of 13 inch mini wheels. 

 

 

 

 

Tyre companies probably see a good advertising angle for suppling F1. 

Pirelli's brief was to make a tyre that is unpredictable, which can suddenly fall away to create more exciting racing. 

Indlanapolis 2005 was where the 6 Bridgestone runners competed as the Michelin runners sat in the pits as the tyres caused accidents in practice and qualifying. Bridgestone could make a tyre for Indlanapolis, Michelin couldn't. 

Not sure what is happening about 18"rims. I think there have been some testing trials. The reason 13"rims are used is because the side wall of the tyre is a big slice of the suspension of an F1 car. 

6 minutes ago, moley said:

Tyre companies probably see a good advertising angle for suppling F1. 

Pirelli's brief was to make a tyre that is unpredictable, which can suddenly fall away to create more exciting racing. 

Indlanapolis 2005 was where the 6 Bridgestone runners competed as the Michelin runners sat in the pits as the tyres caused accidents in practice and qualifying. Bridgestone could make a tyre for Indlanapolis, Michelin couldn't. 

Not sure what is happening about 18"rims. I think there have been some testing trials. The reason 13"rims are used is because the side wall of the tyre is a big slice of the suspension of an F1 car. 

 

2022 now I gather.

1 or 2 seconds a lap slower but that should narrow over the next year.

 

Did not have that effect on my mini 850 going from 10 inch to Imp 13 inch low profile tyres.

 

35 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

2022 now I gather.

1 or 2 seconds a lap slower but that should narrow over the next year.

Remind me why are they changing the rim size?

Did not have that effect on my mini 850 going from 10 inch to Imp 13 inch low profile tyres.

An 850 mini is slightly different to an F1 car.

 

6 minutes ago, moley said:

 

 

Maybe to be more relevant to road cars.

 

Almost zero suspension on the mini like an F1 car, deafening as had to keep the revs very high but only 32 hp if I remember my numbers. Good for 80 mph straight or corners. Huge fun. Crap brakes though.

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The 18 inch change is for marketing purposes only. The current high profile 13s are not modern enough  for F1. (or relevant to what Pirelli sell)

6 hours ago, BigJase88 said:

Yeah thats the problem drivers are managing the tyres for 95% of the race. That’s not racing.

 

they should be able to attack at all times, but then you have fuelling limits so have to lift and coast.

 

use as much fuel and as much tyre as you need i say and actually race. Also a new engine for every race so you don’t have to nurse that either.

The fuel limit is for "green" reasons. The engine limit is for cost reasons - to stop people like BMW using 6-10 engines per driver per weekend (very entertaining that was too). At least in Schumacher's day the cars were flat out, stopping 3 times for fuel and sticky tires but really fast between stops... unfortunately the actual racing was complete pants in those days, so F1/ FIA changed the rules.

 

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5 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

I am not sure why tyre companies do the F1 supply gig.  Seems to be a bit of a no win.  

 

The cars may only weight about three quarters of a tonne fully loaded with fuel but then have to withstand 5 G plus and speed running over 350 kph, be interesting to see what speeds the F1 cars do as the bikes hit 357 down the pit 1.14 km straight.

 

Remember debacle at Indianpolis F1 in the banking section where the F1 tyres could not handle the loads compared to the Good year Indy car tyres, we ended up with an F1 race with 6 cars.

 

Let see how the F1 cars go on 18 inch wheels instead of 13 inch mini wheels. 

 

 

 

 

Sorry to pull you up yet again, but your comparison is 8o11ocks.

Goodyear had pulled out of Indycar after '99.

Firestone (a Bridgestone brand) were the Indycar tyre suppliers in 2005. They had tested at Indy and Bridgestone modified their F1 tyre as a result to cope with the 1 banked corner.

 

Edited 8 September, 20205 yr by camelspyyder
Respelling of 8o11ocks to show up.

Reports circulating that Perez will leave Racing Point at the end of the season and Vettel will be his replacement. 

8 minutes ago, moley said:

Reports circulating that Perez will leave Racing Point at the end of the season and Vettel will be his replacement. 

I rate Perez over Vettel.

 

Stroll is junk but his old boy is hardly going to get rid of him

1 minute ago, BigJase88 said:

I rate Perez over Vettel.

I rate most drivers over Vettel.

6 minutes ago, moley said:

I rate most drivers over Vettel.

The only driver i would say who is worse than Vettel would be Grosjean.

Ah but nobody beats Vettel at throwing his toys out of the pram, though Max gets close.

And then there's "Lance Stroll", who still makes me think of a character from a "Skid Solo" cartoon strip and not a real person.

Lucky old Vettel. He's been mistake prone for a few years, burned off by a young team mate for the last season and a half, and now gets given a fairly decent seat at Checo's expense.

 

Oh well, Mr Stroll is trying to build the profile of his near bankrupt supercar company, but I still don't know if it's a good move. I think his new driver is unfortunately more known now as a has-been, rather than a 4 time champ.

 

Sorry for Checo, he's had some brilliant results over the years for Force India/Racing Point, brings a lot of money to the team too. I wonder if he'll try Indycar? Mexican sponsors often put money into that series.

Mugello, hard on tyres (?) , have a look at this.......

 

The Ferrari seems to takes the first few corners a bit easy before going for it for so.

 

 

Mugello weather report.....

https://www.google.com/search?q=mugello+weather&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB765GB765&oq=mugello+&aqs=chrome.2.69i59j0l4j69i57.4555j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

 

17°

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21 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Mugello, hard on tyres (?) , have a look at this.......

 

The Ferrari seems to takes the first few corners a bit easy before going for it for so.

 

 

Mugello weather report.....

https://www.google.com/search?q=mugello+weather&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB765GB765&oq=mugello+&aqs=chrome.2.69i59j0l4j69i57.4555j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

 

17°

What's your forecast for the weekend. Mercedes to pit 5 times due to tyre degradation? 🤔 

5 hours ago, moley said:

What's your forecast for the weekend. Mercedes to pit 5 times due to tyre degradation? 🤔 

 

Could well be a 2 tyre stop at least.......

 

https://maxf1.net/en/2020-tuscan-gp-preview-first-f1-race-in-mugello/

 

In terms of minimum starting pressures, Pirelli prescribed values for the front tyres for Mugello between those for Spa and Monza – 1,725 bar – while for the rear tyres they allowed lower values than the previous two tracks in Belgium and Italy – 1.4145 bar.   The reason is that the Mugello puts a lot more strain on the front tyres because there are no slow corners that heavily strain the rear tyres at high accelerations while in terms of camber Pirelli allows the same values as in the Monza: -3.00 degrees for the front and -2.00 degrees for the rear tyres.

2020 ITALIAN GP – MINIMUM STARTING PRESSURES AND CAMBER LIMITS (1.794 bar / 1.4835 bar)

 

LAST F1 VISITS IN MUGELLO

Before the start of this season, Ferrari completed a test with the two-year-old SF71H in Mugello, while it was not yet known that Mugello would be part of this year’s calendar, and the last test involving all teams (except HRT) took place in the May 2012 where the fastest was Grosjean in Lotus with a time of 1:21.035.  Webber then said that 10 laps on Mugello means like 1000 laps on Abu Dhabi in terms of driving pleasure while Vettel added that it is a pity they do not have Mugello in the F1 calendar because it is an amazing track with a lot of fast corners.

 

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12 hours ago, camelspyyder said:

Lucky old Vettel. He's been mistake prone for a few years, burned off by a young team mate for the last season and a half...

 

I'm half expecting Vettel to get burned off by another young team mate next season...

11 hours ago, Robjon said:

 

I'm half expecting Vettel to get burned off by another young team mate next season...

That would be embarrassing.

Lance is clearly improving this year, but if he beats Vettel, Daddy will have spent all that money, on a 4 time champ, for pretty much nothing.

13 hours ago, camelspyyder said:

4 time champ chump, 

Corrected that for you. 

Last weeks winner in Monza is out in Q1 this week.

I don't expect to see this race ☹️. Moved to Spain a few days ago with no TV or Internet in the flat yet. Expecting the track to be difficult for overtaking although once the tyres are worn some of them should get DRS passes done into turn 1.

14 hours ago, camelspyyder said:

I don't expect to see this race ☹️. Moved to Spain a few days ago with no TV or Internet in the flat yet. Expecting the track to be difficult for overtaking although once the tyres are worn some of them should get DRS passes done into turn 1.

There might be a bar locally who will have it on the TV.

It should be a closer race this week, with Max pitting once for tyres while the Mercedes will be in about four or five times. 

Just now, moley said:

There might be a bar locally who will have it on the TV.

It should be a closer race this week, with Max pitting once for tyres while the Mercedes will be in about four or five times. 

 

I think her indoors has many jobs that need doing around the place. Spending a whole afternoon in a bar isn't going to happen 😆