Does the Sportline have stiffer suspension?

[MarkyG82]

9 minutes ago, JR RS said:

 

I was just trying to highlight that Passat B8 and Superb 3 basically have the same springs.

 

The sets I quoted above list both cars with varying engine and drive configs on both sets. So yes they are definitely close. It's just frustrating that it's hard to find actual specs for the springs.

[Gabrielem]

¿Cuál es la diferencia entre los resortes 5Q0411105GN y 5Q0411105GM?@Carlston _

 

Tengo claro que en mi case, como es una Kombi en la parte trasera, se tiene que ir el 3Q0511115M, sea configuración Passat o Superb 2UA. Busco los números de resorte de la versión 2UC Sportline. Básicamente a efectos de verificación para poder tomar la decisión con la mayor información posible, ya que no es un "mod" barato y sobre todo también porque no tengo intención de cambiar las ruedas de 18", existe la posibilidad de que al bajar de altura, instalar espaciadores de 16 o 20 mm, se verá una vez realizada la bajada.

Edited 8 August, 2022 by Gabrielem

[Gabrielem]

1 hour ago, Gabrielem said:

¿Cuál es la diferencia entre los resortes 5Q0411105GN y 5Q0411105GM?@Carlston _

 

Tengo claro que en mi case, como es una Kombi en la parte trasera, se tiene que ir el 3Q0511115M, sea configuración Passat o Superb 2UA. Busco los números de resorte de la versión 2UC Sportline. Básicamente a efectos de verificación para poder tomar la decisión con la mayor información posible, ya que no es un "mod" barato y sobre todo también porque no tengo intención de cambiar las ruedas de 18", existe la posibilidad de que al bajar de altura, instalar espaciadores de 16 o 20 mm, se verá una vez realizada la bajada.

And the difference between 3Q0 511 115 M and 3Q0 511 115 N?

[Carlston]

The 5Q0411105GM front spring is listed for the Superb MK3 2.0TDI 190PS FWD

 

The 5Q0411105GN front spring is listed for the Superb MK3 2.0TDI 190PS 4x4

 

From the specification below, 5Q0411105GM is about 5% softer than the 5Q0411105GN and is 3mm shorter in uncompressed length. However, if you fitted it to your 4x4 it would lower the unladen front ride height by about 6mm because the softer spring compresses more under the weight of the vehicle.

 

Notice in the photos below that both springs have about the same number of coil turns, ie. about 4.6 coil turns. This is important to check when comparing the stiffness of two different springs because more coil turns will make the spring softer with all other things being equal.

 

Specification of 5Q0411105GM according to gknautomotive.com

Spring Design	Coil spring with constant wire diameter
Fitting Position	Front Axle
Colour Coding	Blue, Grey
Wire Diameter	12.25 mm
Length	315 mm
Outer diameter	146 mm
Weight	1.7 kg

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/cars/part/1/87622/detail?targetId=115168&typeNumber=115168&groups=188#@brc/brands:Car;targetType:cars/assem:SKODA%20SUPERB%20III%20Estate%20(3V5)%202.0%20TDI;targetType:cars;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168/lnkparts:Coil%20Springs;targetType:cars;assemblyGroupId:100113;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168;page:0;groups:188/assignedPartDetail:87622;targetType:cars;brandId:1;articleNo:87622;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168;groups:188

 

Specification of 5Q0411105GN according to gknautomotive.com

Spring Design	Coil spring with constant wire diameter
Fitting Position	Front Axle
Colour Coding	Green, White
Wire Diameter	12.5 mm
Length	318 mm
Outer diameter	151 mm
Weight	1.8 kg

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/cars/part/1/87623/detail?targetId=115168&typeNumber=115168&groups=188#@brc/brands:Car;targetType:cars/assem:SKODA%20SUPERB%20III%20Estate%20(3V5)%202.0%20TDI;targetType:cars;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168/lnkparts:Coil%20Springs;targetType:cars;assemblyGroupId:100113;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168;page:0;groups:188/assignedPartDetail:87623;targetType:cars;brandId:1;articleNo:87623;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168;groups:188

 

Edited 8 August, 2022 by Carlston

[Gabrielem]

1 hour ago, Carlston said:

The 5Q0411105GM front spring is listed for the Superb MK3 2.0TDI 190PS FWD

 

The 5Q0411105GN front spring is listed for the Superb MK3 2.0TDI 190PS 4x4

 

From the specification below, 5Q0411105GM is about 5% softer than the 5Q0411105GN and is 3mm shorter in uncompressed length. However, if you fitted it to your 4x4 it would lower the unladen front ride height by about 6mm because the softer spring compresses more under the weight of the vehicle.

 

Notice in the photos below that both springs have about the same number of coil turns, ie. about 4.6 coil turns. This is important to check when comparing the stiffness of two different springs because more coil turns will make the spring softer with all other things being equal.

 

Specification of 5Q0411105GM according to gknautomotive.com

Spring Design	Coil spring with constant wire diameter
Fitting Position	Front Axle
Colour Coding	Blue, Grey
Wire Diameter	12.25 mm
Length	315 mm
Outer diameter	146 mm
Weight	1.7 kg

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/cars/part/1/87622/detail?targetId=115168&typeNumber=115168&groups=188#@brc/brands:Car;targetType:cars/assem:SKODA%20SUPERB%20III%20Estate%20(3V5)%202.0%20TDI;targetType:cars;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168/lnkparts:Coil%20Springs;targetType:cars;assemblyGroupId:100113;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168;page:0;groups:188/assignedPartDetail:87622;targetType:cars;brandId:1;articleNo:87622;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168;groups:188

 

Specification of 5Q0411105GN according to gknautomotive.com

Spring Design	Coil spring with constant wire diameter
Fitting Position	Front Axle
Colour Coding	Green, White
Wire Diameter	12.5 mm
Length	318 mm
Outer diameter	151 mm
Weight	1.8 kg

https://web.tecalliance.net/gkn/en/parts/cars/part/1/87623/detail?targetId=115168&typeNumber=115168&groups=188#@brc/brands:Car;targetType:cars/assem:SKODA%20SUPERB%20III%20Estate%20(3V5)%202.0%20TDI;targetType:cars;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168/lnkparts:Coil%20Springs;targetType:cars;assemblyGroupId:100113;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168;page:0;groups:188/assignedPartDetail:87623;targetType:cars;brandId:1;articleNo:87623;targetId:115168;typeNumber:115168;groups:188

 

What rear spring would be in the same lowering with respect to the 5Q0411105GM, that is, what spring should be installed in my 4x4 with the 5Q04Q11105GM, so that it would be balanced?

 

 At the dynamic level, would there be any differences?  

 

I'm weighing the options, and God knows I never would have imagined there would be so many possible combinations.

 

Thanks you again @Carlston

[Carlston]

2 hours ago, Gabrielem said:

What rear spring would be in the same lowering with respect to the 5Q0411105GM, that is, what spring should be installed in my 4x4 with the 5Q04Q11105GM, so that it would be balanced?

 

 At the dynamic level, would there be any differences?  

 

I'm weighing the options, and God knows I never would have imagined there would be so many possible combinations.

 

The problem is you are involved in a guessing game.

 

Your car is a Superb MK3 2.0TDI estate 4x4 with increased ride height which may have suspension components such as springs and shock absorbers that are no longer working like new. Are all the springs and shock absorbers the original and correct Skoda parts?

 

Do you know what a new Superb MK3 2.0TDI estate 4x4 with standard ride height drives like?

 

Maybe test drive a new car to find out?

 

You may like it. After all, Skoda will have done a lot of R&D (Research and Development, testing, etc.)

 

This reminds me of another Superb MK3 2.0TDI estate owner. He had a broken rear spring but felt sure the replacement rear springs needed to be much stiffer than standard. The garage would only fit the correct springs, so he had those fitted. Once the new springs were fitted, the owner found them absolutely fine.

 

The moral of the story is that when the suspension isn't working well, it's easy to get into the overcompensate mode, when all that is needed is for the suspension to return to its new condition.

 

Some owners do modify their suspension, but that is often done for cosmetic reasons and/or because the owner wants to improve the handling and is willing to compromise the ride.

 

Maybe try the springs that Kilen/Lesjofors recommends and if you don't mind paying for expensive shock absorbers, try OEM Skoda shock absorbers that match the OEM springs or Bilstein B6 shock absorbers.

 

The problem with aftermarket shock absorbers is that the manufacturers have a one size fits all approach. For example, I've seen just one Monroe rear shock absorber being sold to replace all standard ride height Superb MK3 and VW Passat B8 rear shock absorbers. Both Skoda and VW list many different standard ride height rear shock absorbers to carefully match the rear springs that are being used.

 

Monroe 376246SP rear shock absorbers are being sold to replace all of these OEM part numbers, ie. a one-size fits all approach

OEM reference number(s) comparable with the original spare part number

OEN 5Q0513029KG — AUDI

OEN 5Q0513029KR — AUDI

OEN 5Q0513029LT — AUDI

OEN 5Q0513029MF — AUDI

OEN 5QF513049BL — AUDI

OEN 5QF513049BM — AUDI

OEN 5QF513049CD — AUDI

OEN 5QF513049CE — AUDI

OEN 5QF513049CM — AUDI

OEN 5Q0513029LF — SEAT

OEN 5Q0513029MA — SEAT

OEN 5Q0513029MG — SEAT

OEN 5QN513049AT — SEAT

OEN 5QN513049BA — SEAT

OEN 5QN513049BB — SEAT

OEN 5QN513049BC — SEAT

OEN 5QN513049BH — SEAT

OEN 5QN513049BJ — SEAT

OEN 3Q0513049FN — SKODA

OEN 3Q0513049FP — SKODA

OEN 3Q0513049FQ — SKODA

OEN 3Q0513049FR — SKODA

OEN 3Q0513049FS — SKODA

OEN 3Q0513049FT — SKODA

OEN 3Q0513049GA — SKODA

OEN 3Q0513049GB — SKODA

OEN 3Q0513049GS — SKODA

OEN 3Q0513049HE — SKODA

OEN 5Q0513029NF — SKODA

OEN 5Q0513029NP — SKODA

OEN 5QF513049AH — SKODA

OEN 5QF513049AJ — SKODA

OEN 5QF513049AS — SKODA

OEN 5QF513049AT — SKODA

OEN 5QF513049CB — SKODA

OEN 5QF513049CC — SKODA

OEN 3Q0513049EQ — VW

OEN 3Q0513049FA — VW

OEN 3Q0513049FB — VW

OEN 3Q0513049FC — VW

OEN 3Q0513049FD — VW

OEN 3Q0513049FE — VW

OEN 3Q0513049FF — VW

OEN 3Q0513049FG — VW

OEN 3Q0513049FH — VW

OEN 3Q0513049GE — VW

OEN 3Q0513049GF — VW

OEN 3Q0513049GG — VW

OEN 3Q0513049GH — VW

OEN 3Q0513049GJ — VW

OEN 3Q0513049GK — VW

OEN 3Q0513049GL — VW

OEN 3Q0513049GQ — VW

OEN 3Q0513049GR — VW

OEN 3Q0513049GS — VW

OEN 3Q0513049GT — VW

OEN 3Q0513049HA — VW

OEN 3Q0513049HB — VW

OEN 3Q0513049HC — VW

OEN 3Q0513049HD — VW

OEN 3Q0513049HE — VW

OEN 3Q0513049HK — VW

OEN 3Q0513049HL — VW

OEN 5Q0513029NJ — VW

OEN 5Q0513029NK — VW

OEN 5Q0513029NL — VW

OEN 5Q0513029NM — VW

OEN 5Q0513029NT — VW

OEN 5Q0513029PA — VW

OEN 5Q0513029PB — VW

OEN 5QF513049AA — VW

OEN 5QF513049AB — VW

OEN 5QF513049AK — VW

OEN 5QF513049AL — VW

OEN 5QF513049AM — VW

OEN 5QF513049AN — VW

OEN 5QF513049AP — VW

OEN 5QF513049AQ — VW

OEN 5QF513049BN — VW

OEN 5QF513049BP — VW

OEN 5QF513049BQ — VW

OEN 5QF513049BR — VW

OEN 5QF513049BS — VW

OEN 5QF513049BT — VW

OEN 5QF513049Q — VW

OEN 5QF513049S — VW

OEN 5QF513049T — VW

OEN 5QN513049AH — VW

OEN 5QN513049AM — VW

OEN 5QN513049AN — VW

OEN 5QN513049AP — VW

OEN 5QN513049AQ — VW

OEN 5QN513049AR — VW

OEN 5QN513049AS — VW

OEN 5QN513049AT — VW

OEN 5QN513049BA — VW

OEN 5QN513049BB — VW

OEN 5QN513049BC — VW

OEN 5QN513049BF — VW

OEN 5QN513049BG — VW

OEN 5QN513049BH — VW

OEN 5QN513049BJ — VW

OEN 5QN513049BL — VW

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/monroe/13672272

 

Edited 8 August, 2022 by Carlston

[Gabrielem]

Entiendo lo que quieres decir, estoy pensando demasiado en ello.  

 

I am tremendously grateful for all the information you have given me and I am sure that other users who are in my situation will also find it very useful. What I am looking for,

 

I have already repeated several times, is to remove the balance (lateral and vertical) by stiffening and lowering the suspension without reaching the sportiness of the B12.

 

 

Edited 8 August, 2022 by Gabrielem

[Carlston]

Front shock absorbers for Superb MK3 with standard ride height (G01 means standard ride height) 3Q0413031BF 3Q0413031BG 3Q0413031CQ 3Q0413031CR

8	3Q0413031BG	Gas shock absorber D >> - 29.07.2018		2	PR-G01
8	3Q0413031CR	Gas shock absorber D - 30.07.2018>>		2	PR-G01
8	3Q0413031BF	Gas shock absorber D >> - 29.07.2018		2	PR-G01
8	3Q0413031CQ	Gas shock absorber D - 30.07.2018>>		2	PR-G01

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/skoda/CZ/SUP/851/4/411/411000

 

In the above chart 3Q0413031BF and 3Q0413031BG front shock absorbers were used up to and including 29.07.2018, whereas 3Q0413031CQ and 3Q0413031CR front shock absorbers were used on or after 30.07.2018. Only aftermarket shock absorbers that match the earlier part numbers are shown on autodoc. This isn't unusual because it can take years for aftermarket parts to come onto the market to match or replace existing OEM parts.

 

Rear shock absorbers for Superb MK3 with standard ride height (1JA means standard ride height) 3Q0513049FQ 3Q0513049FR

7	3Q0513049FR	Gas shock absorber	rear	2	PR-1JA
7	3Q0513049FQ	Gas shock absorber	rear	2	PR-1JA

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/skoda/CZ/SUP/851/5/511/511005

 

KYB 3358015 front shock absorbers sold to replace 3Q0413031BF 3Q0413031BG

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/kyb/14359022

 

Sachs 317330 front shock absorbers sold to replace 3Q0413031BF 3Q0413031BG

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/sachs/13785655

 

KYB 3448024 rear shock absorbers sold to replace 3Q0513049FQ 3Q0513049FR

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/kyb/14359027

 

Sachs 318202 rear shock absorbers sold to replace 3Q0513049FQ 3Q0513049FR

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/sachs/14922297

 

Edited 8 August, 2022 by Carlston

[Carlston]

When you search on autodoc for Bilstein shock absorbers for the Superb MK3, Bilstein B4 22-232342 and Bilstein B4 19-232362 shock absorbers are sometimes shown. However, they appear to be increased ride height shock absorbers so wouldn't be suitable for standard ride height suspension.

 

Bilstein B4 22-232342 front shock absorbers (not suitable for standard ride height suspension)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/9266741

 

Bilstein B4 19-232362 rear shock absorbers (not suitable for standard ride height suspension)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/9129438

 

This is an example of why it's important to use OEM part numbers when searching for suitable aftermarket parts.

 

Bilstein 22-230539 front shock absorbers 3Q0413031AL 3Q0413031BM 3Q0413031BN 3Q0413031BP (suitable for standard ride height suspension)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/7620083?search=BILSTEIN Shock Absorber (22-230539)

 

Bilstein 19-253428 rear shock absorbers 3Q0513049GE 3Q0513049GF 3Q0513049GG 3Q0513049HD (suitable for standard ride height suspension)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/9129924

 

3Q0413031AL 3Q0413031BM 3Q0413031BN 3Q0413031BP 3Q0513049GE 3Q0513049GF 3Q0513049GG 3Q0513049HD are the OEM part numbers for Passat B8 standard ride height shock absorbers, which I've used to find suitable Bilstein shock absorbers for the Superb MK3 with standard ride height. These Bilstein shock absorbers should work well with the Superb MK3 with standard ride height because the Superb MK3 with standard ride height and the Passat B8 with standard ride height use very similar and sometimes identical springs.

 

The OEM part numbers for the Superb MK3 shock absorbers with standard ride height are:

3Q0413031BF 3Q0413031BG 3Q0413031CQ 3Q0413031CR 3Q0513049FN 3Q0513049FP 3Q0513049FQ 3Q0513049FR.

 

However, there aren't any Bilstein shock absorbers with any of these OEM part numbers for the Superb MK3 shock absorbers with standard ride height listed against them. Hence the need to look at the OEM part numbers for the Passat B8 shock absorbers with standard ride height.

 

The KYB 3358015 and Sachs 317330 front shock absorbers and KYB 3448024 and Sachs 318202 rear shock absorbers that I linked to in a previous post, have all the OEM part numbers for the Superb MK3 standard ride height shock absorbers and Passat B8 standard ride height shock absorbers listed against them.

 

Edited 9 August, 2022 by Carlston

[Gabrielem]

1 hour ago, Carlston said:

Cuando busca en autodoc amortiguadores Bilstein para el Superb MK3, a veces se muestran los amortiguadores Bilstein B4 22-232342 y Bilstein B4 19-232362. Sin embargo, parecen ser amortiguadores de mayor altura de manejo, por lo que no serían adecuados para la suspensión de altura de manejo estándar.

 

Amortiguadores delanteros Bilstein B4 22-232342 (no apto para suspensión de altura de manejo estándar)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/9266741

 

Amortiguadores traseros Bilstein B4 19-232362 (no apto para suspensión de altura de manejo estándar)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/9129438

 

Este es un ejemplo de por qué es importante utilizar los números de pieza OEM al buscar piezas de repuesto adecuadas.

 

Amortiguadores delanteros Bilstein 22-230539 3Q0413031AL 3Q0413031BM 3Q0413031BN 3Q0413031BP (adecuados para suspensión de altura de manejo estándar)

https://www.autodoc.es/bilstein/7620083?search=BILSTEIN Amortiguador (22-230539)

 

Amortiguadores traseros Bilstein 19-253428 3Q0513049GE 3Q0513049GF 3Q0513049GG 3Q0513049HD (adecuados para suspensión de altura de manejo estándar)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/9129924

 

3Q0413031AL 3Q0413031BM 3Q0413031BN 3Q0413031BP 3Q0513049GE 3Q0513049GF 3Q0513049GG 3Q0513049HD son los números de pieza OEM para los amortiguadores de altura de manejo estándar del Passat B8, que he usado para encontrar amortiguadores Bilstein adecuados para el Superb MK3 con altura de manejo estándar. Estos amortiguadores Bilstein deberían funcionar bien con el Superb MK3 con altura de manejo estándar porque el Superb MK3 con altura de manejo estándar y el Passat B8 con altura de manejo estándar usan resortes muy similares y, a veces, idénticos.

 

Los números de pieza OEM para los amortiguadores Superb MK3 con altura de manejo estándar son:

3Q0413031BF 3Q0413031BG 3Q0413031CQ 3Q0413031CR 3Q0513049FN 3Q0513049FP 3Q0513049FQ 3Q0513049FR.

 

Sin embargo, no hay amortiguadores Bilstein con ninguno de estos números de pieza OEM para los amortiguadores Superb MK3 con altura de manejo estándar en la lista. De ahí la necesidad de mirar los números de pieza OEM para los amortiguadores Passat B8 con altura de manejo estándar.

 

Los amortiguadores delanteros KYB 3358015 y Sachs 317330 y los amortiguadores traseros KYB 3448024 y Sachs 318202 a los que vinculé en una publicación anterior, tienen todos los números de pieza OEM para los amortiguadores de altura de manejo estándar Superb MK3 y los amortiguadores de altura de manejo estándar Passat B8 enumerados en su contra.

 

Thank you very much. Now the problem is finding a workshop to install it in August...

[Carlston]

On 09/08/2022 at 15:44, Gabrielem said:

Thank you very much. Now the problem is finding a workshop to install it in August...

 

If you want to look at sports suspension for your 2016 Superb MK3 2.0TDI 190HP estate 4x4, then I suggest finding a similar car that left the factory with sports suspension. Perhaps try local Skoda dealers and see if they have one on their premises. This might be a Sportline model if these are fitted with 15mm lowered suspension. However, it would need to be a similar car to yours, ie. Superb MK3 2.0TDI 150HP/190HP/200HP estate 4x4.

 

Once you find a suitable car to copy, take a photo of its VIN number. You might be able to see the VIN number through the windscreen.

 

Once you have a VIN number of a suitable car to copy, get a list of its build codes.

 

There's a seller on ebay that can find the build codes for any Skoda by sending him the VIN number. Cost is about 3 Euros. Search "vin decoder skoda" on ebay to find the listing. Of course, any Skoda dealer could obtain the VIN codes for any Skoda if they wanted to, but my local Skoda dealer doesn't deal with people who aren't in the motor trade, eg. Skoda owners. Apparently, it's trade only.

 

Even if your find the build codes of a suitable car with sports/lowered suspension to copy, the aftermarket springs/shock absorbers are mainly aimed at standard ride height cars. Often,  the same aftermarket shock absorbers are sold for both standard ride height cars and lowered ride height cars. Also, the sports suspension car might also use different anti-roll bars.

 

I suggest you stick to the standard ride height. With the sports suspension, unless you use all the same springs, shock absorbers, and anti-roll bars that the sports suspension car left the factory with, the ride and handling might not be as good as the factory car. Even if you use expensive aftermarket sports shock absorbers such as Bilstein B8, you don't know if they will match up well with the stiffness of your sports springs because Bilstein will probably just sell one model of Bilstein B8 (non-damptronic) even though the stiffness of aftermarket sports springs can vary a lot. For example H&R are known to be very stiff, whereas you might find some sports springs with a similar stiffness to standard ride height springs.

 

Edited 19 August, 2022 by Carlston

[Carlston]

Front stabilizer (anti-roll bar) for Superb MK3 3Q0411303 310411303C 3Q0411303D

16	3Q0411303	stabilizer, complete	24,0X3,8	1	PR-1X0
16	3Q0411303C	stabilizer, complete	24,0X3,8	1	PR-1X1
16	3Q0411303D	stabilizer, complete	25X4	1	PR-1X1+DF5, D14

1X0=FWD

1X1=4x4

D14=200kW/272HP engine

DF5=206kW/280HP engine

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/skoda/CZ/SUP/851/4/411/411000

 

Rear stabilizer (anti-roll bar) for Superb MK3 FWD

 

5Q0511305AR 5Q0511305AS 5Q0511305AT 5Q0511305BA

 

16	5Q0511305AR	Anti-roll bar	19,6X2,6 rear	1	PR-1X0+0BD
16	5Q0511305AS	Anti-roll bar	20,7X2,8	1	CZCA,CZDA, CZEA,CJSA, CJSC,DCXA+ PR-1JA
16	5Q0511305AT	Anti-roll bar	21,7X3,0	1	CHHB,CRLB, DDAA+ PR-1JA
16	5Q0511305AT	Anti-roll bar	21,7X3,0MM rear	1	PR-UC7
16	5Q0511305AT	Anti-roll bar	21,7X3,0	1	CZCA,CZDA, CZEA,CJSA, CJSC,DCXA+ PR-1JC
16	5Q0511305AT	Anti-roll bar	21,7X3,0MM rear	1	PR-1JP
16	5Q0511305BA	Anti-roll bar	21,7X3,6MM rear	1	PR-1JC CHHB,CRGA,
16	5Q0511305BA	Anti-roll bar	21,7X3,6MM rear	1	PR-UC7 CHHB

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/skoda/CZ/SUP/851/5/501/501020

 

Rear stabilizer (anti-roll bar) for Superb MK3 4x4

 

3Q0511305 3Q0511305B 5Q0511305BC 5Q0511305BE

 

16	5Q0511305BE	Anti-roll bar	21,7X3,0 rear	2	PR-1JA,UC7, 1JC+1X1
16	3Q0511305	Anti-roll bar	21,7X3,6 rear	1	PR-1JC+K8D
16	3Q0511305B	Anti-roll bar D >> - 18.05.2015	21,7X3,0 rear	1	PR-1JA,1JP, UC7+K8D
16	5Q0511305BC	Anti-roll bar	19,6X2,6 rear	1	PR-1JI,1JA+ 1X1+DE5,DG6, DN4
16	5Q0511305BC	Anti-roll bar	19,6X2,6 rear	1	PR-1JP+1X1+ DE2,DE5,DF4, DG6,DN4,DN8, D33,D60
16	5Q0511305BE	Anti-roll bar	21,7X3,0 rear	2	PR-1X1+1JP+ D14,DF5
16	5Q0511305BE	Anti-roll bar	21,7X3,0 rear	2	PR-1JI+K8D+ 1X1+DF5

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/skoda/CZ/SUP/851/5/501/501030

 

VW Codes Decoder

0BD = Rear stabilizer
1JA = Rear shock absorption, basic design 1
1JC = Rear shock absorption for sports design
1JP = Rear shock absorption
1X0 = Front wheel drive
1X1 = Four wheel drive
D14 = 4-cyl. SI engine 2.0 l/200 kW 16V turbo FSI, homogeneous base engine is TA2/TT6
DE2 = 4-cyl. turbo dies. eng. 2.0 l/130 kW 4V TDI common rail Base engine TR1,TD1,TM4/TL4/TP4
DE5 = 4-cyl. turbo dies. eng. 2.0 l/140 kW 4V TDI common rail Base engine is TD1
DF4 = 4-cyl. SI engine 1.8 l/132 kW TFSI, homogeneous base engine is TA8/T1L
DF5 = 4-cyl. gasoline engine 2.0 l/206 kW TFSIhomogeneous Base engine is TT6
DG6 = 4-cyl. SI engine 1.4 l/110 kW TSI base engine is TL9
DN4 = 4-cyl. turbo dies. eng. 2.0 l/110 kW 4V TDI common rail Base engine is TS1/TR1
D33 = 4-cyl. gasoline engine 1.4 l/92 kW 4V TFSI Base engine is TU0/TL1
D60 = 4-cyl. SI engine 2.0 l/162 kW 16V turbo FSI, homogeneous base engine is T61,TW6,TP6,T1P
K8D = Station Wagon Variant/Avant
UC7 = Rear shock absorption, chassis with increased ride height

http://igorweb.org/equidec.aspx

 

Edited 19 August, 2022 by Carlston

[Carlston]

Skoda engine code decoder

CHHB 2.0 petrol 162kW/220HP

CJSA 1.8 petrol 132kW/180HP

CJSC 1.8 petrol 132kW/180HP

CRGA 2.0 diesel 130kW/177HP

CRLB 2.0 diesel 110kW/150HP

CZCA 1.4 petrol 92kW/125HP

CZDA 1.4 petrol 110kW/150HP

CZEA 1.4 petrol 110kW/150HP

DCXA 1.6 diesel 88kW/120HP

DCZA 1.6 diesel 88kW/120HP

DDAA 2.0 diesel 140kW/190HP

https://vag-codes.info/files/engines/skoda-engines.pdf

[Gabrielem]

Well, the cheese is already rolling downhill...

 

I have changed the stabilizer bar of the Golf VII R, I have done it myself, in just an hour and a half. The change has been noticed for the better, it is not a radical change but it is perceived and noticeable in the curves and even better traction.

Rear stabilizer bar for 4x4 vehicles the part number is: 5Q0 511 305 BF.

 

I am also waiting to receive the front stabilizer bar with part number: 5Q0 411 303 AC. I will take this to install when I change shock absorbers and springs, since I think that a parallel must be done.

 

I have continued looking for the springs that my model has in the Sportline version. Of those that I have been able to verify, one has been a TSI 272 sportline 4x4 Combi and a TDI 190 4x4 hatchback, both with DCC, unfortunately I have not been able to find one exactly the same as mine.

 

Being both springs 5Q0411105HE. I don't know if this is the one that would work for me.

 

For the rear I have found out the number of the ones I have (roads in poor condition) and it is 3Q0511115AS (PR-UC7+0YF) so keeping the same level of hardness but in 1JC it would be 3Q0511115AD (PR 1JC+0YF).

 

Would it be correct @Carlston  ??

Edited 29 August, 2022 by Gabrielem

[MartiniB]

11 hours ago, Gabrielem said:

Being both springs 5Q0411105HE. I don't know if this is the one that would work for me.

my guess, these will be lower and softer than 11-85-043-02-FA Eibach Pro

 

[Gabrielem]

1 minute ago, MartiniB said:

Supongo que serán más bajos y suaves que 11-85-043-02-FA Eibach Pro

 

I don't think they are lower than the EIbach's as they are the OEM Sportline's. As far as hardness, I don't know.

 

I am asking for budgets to install the Koni Special Active.

 

What seems curious to me is that the Lesjofors online catalog indicates that for my car the rear is 3Q0511115M of rank 5 and I have installed a 3Q0511115AS with rank 6.

[MartiniB]

 

On 30/08/2022 at 11:01, Gabrielem said:

I don't think they are lower than the EIbach's as they are the OEM Sportline's. As far as hardness, I don't know.

missing info about Coils can't give full picture, but 1 mm thinner Wire says they are softer

 

 

Edited 8 February, 2023 by MartiniB

[Gabrielem]

5 minutes ago, MartiniB said:

la información faltante sobre las bobinas no puede dar una imagen completa, pero el cable 1 mm más delgado dice que son más suaves

Following your table I see that the GN and the HE are "same" but with different height? Where can I decipher the PR code of the front springs?

Being Sportline springs, the stops would be 55mm and 112mm, right?

[MartiniB]

4 minutes ago, Gabrielem said:

the stops would be 55mm and 112mm, right?

have no info, dealer left OEM stops when replaced

OEM 5Q0411105GL to Eibach Pro 11-85-043-02-FA

OEM 3Q0413031AK to Bilstein B6 DampTronic 23-254343

 

and additionally these parts were replaced by new

5Q0 412 249 E
5Q0 412 331 C
5Q0 413 175 C
N 0150816
N 10106402
N 90954802
N 91246401
N 91021601
1K0 412 303 E
5Q0 412 545 D

 

 

[Gabrielem]

2 minutes ago, MartiniB said:

no tengo información, el distribuidor dejó que el OEM se detenga cuando se reemplaza

OEM 5Q0411105GL para Eibach Pro 11-85-043-02-FA

OEM 3Q0413031AK para Bilstein B6 DampTronic 23-254343

 

y adicionalmente estas partes fueron reemplazadas por nuevas

5Q0 412 249 E
5Q0 412 331 C
5Q0 413 175 C
N 0150816
N 10106402
N 90954802
N 91246401
N 91021601
1K0 412 303 E
5Q0 412 545 D

 

 

Do you know if they were 70mm and 127mm?

[Gabrielem]

26 minutes ago, MartiniB said:

have no info, dealer left OEM stops when replaced

OEM 5Q0411105GL to Eibach Pro 11-85-043-02-FA

OEM 3Q0413031AK to Bilstein B6 DampTronic 23-254343

 

and additionally these parts were replaced by new

5Q0 412 249 E
5Q0 412 331 C
5Q0 413 175 C
N 0150816
N 10106402
N 90954802
N 91246401
N 91021601
1K0 412 303 E
5Q0 412 545 D

 

 

Well, taking the Autodoc data and the Lesjofors website as a reference, I can conclude that the 5Q0411105GN front spring with 322mm height, 4.6 coils and 12.5mm thickness is the same as the 5Q0411105F with 282mm height. 4.6 coils and 12.5mm thick but shorter

 

 

[MartiniB]

@Gabrielem

look, everyone who have changed springs,
have got conclusion, stock springs are too soft,
and that aspect makes lot shorter choice list

[Gabrielem]

4 hours ago, MartiniB said:

@Gabrielem

mire, todos los que han cambiado los resortes
han llegado a la conclusión de que los resortes originales son demasiado blandos
y ese aspecto hace que la lista de opciones sea mucho más corta

The number of springs available in the VAG catalog is immense with multiple heights and hardnesses. I am convinced that you have to find the right combination.

I leave the list with ALL THE VAG EQUIPMENT CODES.

 

http://www.vagclub.net/tec/codigospr.pdf

Edited 30 August, 2022 by Gabrielem

[Frankenfurter]

Has anyone considered trying to size up the springs from the Arteon R Estate/Combi/Wagon? It is by my understanding the heaviest of the MQB cars at ~1700kg and the only full fat performance model on the MQB in this size class and format. That being the case, it's reasonable to hope that it would have the highest spring rate at a stock ride height.

 

I've looked through the parts list on LLL Parts at a 2021 Arteon with DCC ( Rear axle https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/vw/RDW/ART/828/5/511/511010) (Front axle https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/vw/RDW/ART/828/4/411/411010) and there are common springs for both front and rear between the Arteon and Superb Mk3. The Front DCC shocks are common with the Superb while the rears differ by suffix.

 

There's a few questions that come out of this:
- Is the setup I'm looking at on LLL Parts for the 2021 Arteon inclusive of the Ateon R?

- If so, what are the actual part numbers for the Arteon R coils?

- Once identified, how do the dimensions of the Arteon R springs relate to what we can already see for the Superb and is it actually an improvement in terms of spring rate while maintaining a similar ride height?

Edited 6 September, 2022 by Frankenfurter

[Gabrielem]

2 hours ago, Frankenfurter said:

¿Alguien ha considerado tratar de medir los resortes del Arteon R Estate/Combi/Wagon? Según tengo entendido, es el más pesado de los autos MQB con ~ 1700 kg y el único modelo de rendimiento completo en el MQB en esta clase de tamaño y formato. Siendo ese el caso, es razonable esperar que tenga la tasa de resorte más alta a una altura de manejo estándar.

 

Revisé la lista de piezas en LLL Parts en un Arteon 2021 con DCC (Eje trasero  https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/vw/RDW/ART/828/5/511/511010 ) (Delantero eje  https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/vw/RDW/ART/828/4/411/411010 ) y hay resortes comunes tanto para la parte delantera como para la trasera entre el Arteon y el Superb Mk3. Los amortiguadores delanteros DCC son comunes con el Superb, mientras que los traseros difieren por sufijo.

 

Hay algunas preguntas que surgen de esto:
- ¿La configuración que estoy viendo en LLL Parts para el Arteon 2021 incluye el Ateon R?

- Si es así, ¿cuáles son los números de pieza reales de las bobinas Arteon R?

- Una vez identificados, ¿cómo se relacionan las dimensiones de los resortes del Arteon R con lo que ya podemos ver en el Superb? ¿Es realmente una mejora en términos de índice de resorte mientras se mantiene una altura de manejo similar?

Waiting for @Carlston to answer you, after a month and a half looking for information, you can start by taking VW spring numbers and comparing them with Skoda spring numbers, in terms of thickness, number of turns and length to see if they are different.