I have to admit that when i bought my 272 Superb I didn't have full knowledge of this 2.0 tsi engine. I had two other options: a new Audi A4 (2.0 TSI 185kw 4x4) or a 540i with 6.000 km on the clock. Superb was the cheaper one. And it was my wife’s option n.1 (after this i’m sure you’ll understand i only had the illusion of choice, but I like to think that the choice was mine anyway).

I did not have much expectations from this engine, only because i didn’t know it’s potential.

After first 1.500 km driven as slow as imposed by the manual, i got 18.4 sec on 100-200, not to bad related to my expectations, but not exactly exciting.

 

 

So i went to my tuner, (he had already remapped my Octavia II 2.0 tdi 140), asked for a stage1 remap. Another 1.000 km driven and the 100-200 time was 12.5 sec, with an incredible 0-100 in 4,3 sec. Quarter mile in 12,52.

 

 

So I started looking for information about my DNUA engine, and little by little I understood what I had really bought. I thought I should enjoy the full potential of the engine, and this idea crept into me.

I wanted it to look as original as possible, especially in terms of noise, so I had first to find a catted downpipe, and for DNU engine i had to wait till october 2019 when Milltek made a downpipe for the new Audi S3 OPF with hjs 200cell cat. Then i searched for big turbo, i didn’t want to compromise so I chose the TTE535.

 

 

 

It took quite a long time to find the right to me big brake kit, in the end the choice fell back on vagbremtechnic kit that includes 6 pistons AP calipers, floating 390mm AP rotors and DS2500 brake pads. For sure oversized for street use, but safety first. Note that this kit fitted perfect with Racingline R360 wheels without spacers.

 

 

 

Due to covid-19 lockdown i had to wait till may, and then we started with:

• Millteck downpipe with HJS 200 cell cat
• TTE535 turbo
• Racingline R600, silicone inlet hose and inlet pipe
• Forge intercooler and silicone hose kit
• Autotech HPFP upgrade
• Racingline oil management system

 

 

Dsg has been remapped but ecu map has to be completed, it’s taking more time than expected.

 

Aside from the performance, for now the only thing i can say is about the noise: exactly what i wanted. Driving in D feels completely stock, so no unwanted attention while driving quietly in the city. But over 3.500 rpm it becomes music. Really, i didn’t know that this 4 cyl engine could sound pretty good. No pops and bangs, no dsg farts, just only the engine with a TTE535 whistle… almost intrusive, but lovely.

 

Edited 23 May, 20206 yr by Roscio

Love all your mods so far and your budget seems limitless (slightly jealous I must admit). Have you plans once the ECU is sorted to get on a rolling road so we can all appreciate the gains both in power and torque from the TTE535 turbo upgrade.

@Roscio This is fantastic. You and @newbie69 are keeping me (and I'm sure many others) entertained with all your work and mods. Thank you 

10 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Love all your mods so far and your budget seems limitless

 I'm sorry to have given this impression because, unfortunately for me, your statement is very far from reality ...
Also because otherwise I would have definitely tried to put the 5cyl EA855 on it!

 

34 minutes ago, boydeee said:

@Roscio This is fantastic. You and @newbie69 are keeping me (and I'm sure many others) entertained with all your work and mods. Thank you 

My pleasure. I am happy to share with people who have the same passion! 🍻

How did I miss this?!  (Cheers @boydeee for the tagging!) You need a more catchy title Roscio! 

So If I understood right you currently have all the hardware installed but running the stage 1 map still until the stage 3 map is completed? Interesting what you say about the downpipe, so it passes the wife test?! It's the one thing that I fear will make the car feel "modified" for me. I also am waiting for a GPF retaining solution as there's rumour that a GPF delete will fail the Swedish MOT and I'm not fancying having to swap downpipes once a year if that proves to be true!

Out of curiosity did you consider other turbochargers or you had your mind set on it from the beginning? Also did you use their exchange program? There seems to be a great discount with that option. 

Looking forward to your new times! this will be an actually fast superb   (not something to just tease people at traffic lights like mine  )

1 hour ago, newbie69 said:

So If I understood right you currently have all the hardware installed but running the stage 1 map still until the stage 3 map is completed?

More or less yes, I am using a "safe" map also to verify the correct installation of all the components. And coding the right map takes very long time (using the dyno), because every time you have to set a different value in the ecu it takes about 20 min to upload. Then dyno test, parameters check, adjust and upload again. But i think next week we will have the map almost done, and hopefully don't need for now to add MPI (i would be happy not to be the Alfa tester of MPI on DNU engine...)

 

1 hour ago, newbie69 said:

Interesting what you say about the downpipe, so it passes the wife test?! It's the one thing that I fear will make the car feel "modified" for me.

I assure you it sounds absolutely original. Traveling on the highway at 130 km / h is as silent as you already know.
For the wife test, however, I do not go into the substance! Before I spend a single penny, I always ask my wife.
But about feeling the car "modified", i have to say that above 3500 rpm the sound is much louder, but it is a sports car sound, not like the kids who remove the catalyst from the 500 to make noise.
Take a look at this short video i've taken.

 

1 hour ago, newbie69 said:

did you consider other turbochargers or you had your mind set on it from the beginning? Also did you use their exchange program? There seems to be a great discount with that option.

I've always had the feeling that TTE was one of the best on the market, so I already had quite clear ideas on this. I ordered a new one (which I have kept closed in the garage until now from November 2019!).

I would have liked to rely on HGP-Turbo, but it's too far from here in Italy. I watched their videos with interest and they gave me the feeling that they work well. They also produce their own OPF exhaust!

 

Edited 23 May, 20206 yr by Roscio
video added

27 minutes ago, Roscio said:

More or less yes, I am using a "safe" map also to verify the correct installation of all the components. And coding the right map takes very long time (using the dyno), because every time you have to set a different value in the ecu it takes about 20 min to upload. Then dyno test, parameters check, adjust and upload again. But i think next week we will have the map almost done, and hopefully don't need for now to add MPI (i would be happy not to be the Alfa tester of MPI on DNU engine...)

 

I assure you it sounds absolutely original. Traveling on the highway at 130 km / h is as silent as you already know.
For the wife test, however, I do not go into the substance! Before I spend a single penny, I always ask my wife.
But about feeling the car "modified", i have to say that above 3500 rpm the sound is much louder, but it is a sports car sound, not like the kids who remove the catalyst from the 500 to make noise.
Take a look at this short video i've taken.

 

I've always had the feeling that TTE was one of the best on the market, so I already had quite clear ideas on this. I ordered a new one (which I have kept closed in the garage until now from November 2019!).

I would have liked to rely on HGP-Turbo, but it's too far from here in Italy. I watched their videos with interest and they gave me the feeling that they work well. They also produce their own OPF exhaust!

 

Haha! Love the 500 example... It might not be as bad as I thought then although I am very particular with noises. In the vid you posted I definitely can't hear anything loud though 

Yes TTE have a good reputation but the competition on this platform is fierce! Several options depending on your budget, power target and drive characteristics. HGP are a joke price-wise. They are pretty established and are capitalizing on their reputation, plus they TUV-certify everything but their pricing is out of this world (4200EUR for a stage 1 , 13.200EUR for a BT setup )  irrelevant for anyone outside Germany.

18 hours ago, newbie69 said:

pricing is out of this world (4200EUR for a stage 1 , 13.200EUR for a BT setup )

4200€ for stage1... but you forgot +600€ for the assembly  

However I think these are only list prices, I want to imagine that in reality the prices are more honest.
In any case, I chose and bought all the components directly to save some money.

 

18 hours ago, newbie69 said:

In the vid you posted I definitely can't hear anything loud though 

 

Did you notice the unload of turbine at the very end of the video? in car it hears distinctly, tuner says it depends not by turbo only but also by the new air intake system. Did you notice the same puff too since you fitted the R600?

7 hours ago, Roscio said:

4200€ for stage1... but you forgot +600€ for the assembly  

However I think these are only list prices, I want to imagine that in reality the prices are more honest.
In any case, I chose and bought all the components directly to save some money.

 

 

Did you notice the unload of turbine at the very end of the video? in car it hears distinctly, tuner says it depends not by turbo only but also by the new air intake system. Did you notice the same puff too since you fitted the R600?

They'd have to drop like 70-80% below list prices to make some sense so i think it's unlikely. It's probably only useful to Germans that need every mod to be having TUV approval is my guess.

But anyway, there are much more popular (and very reasonable price wise) tuners for these cars in Germany, tuners which are doing more than 30 big turbo setups every year and know how to tune them exceptionally well, no reason to bother with HGP. If I ever move to a BT setup I'd take a trip to the north of Germany, drop the car at some MQB tuning masters I know of there and have everything done in a coupe of days and be on my way back.


Regarding the sound you ask, do you mean a brief creaking-like noise between 0:08' and 0:09' in your video? That's the only unusual sound I could hear and no I don't have anything like that on mine with the R600. Basically the sound hasn't changed at all with it during boost building or when letting off the gas, same as before.

Oh, I just wondered, what have you done with the deleted GPFs (I don't mean the actual units but the process), don't they throw some check engine lights on the dash now that the sensors are not connected any more?

Regarding the OPF, we have removed everything, including sensors, and reprogrammed the ecu. Now the car doesn't even know that it had the opf once!

The check engine light you saw in the video is due to the temporary map I was using at the time.

 

10 hours ago, newbie69 said:

Regarding the sound you ask, do you mean a brief creaking-like noise between 0:08' and 0:09' in your video? That's the only unusual sound I could hear and no I don't have anything like that on mine with the R600. Basically the sound hasn't changed at all with it during boost building or when letting off the gas, same as before.

 

no, I meant the turbo relief that you hear at the very end between 0:09 and 0:10', when in third gear I raised the gas pedal at about 4,000 rpm. I could have made a longer video ... maybe I'll make a better one next time!

3 minutes ago, Roscio said:

Regarding the OPF, we have removed everything, including sensors, and reprogrammed the ecu. Now the car doesn't even know that it had the opf once!

The check engine light you saw in the video is due to the temporary map I was using at the time.

 

 

no, I meant the turbo relief that you hear at the very end between 0:09 and 0:10', when in third gear I raised the gas pedal at about 4,000 rpm. I could have made a longer video ... maybe I'll make a better one next time!

I see, so it's do-able to get rid of it ECU-wise, good. 

I must be deaf (thousands of hours listening to headphones) as I can't hear any difference after 9th second and the creaking noise I mentioned, just normal background noise 

@Roscio very interesting My 272 is coming up on one year and 11k, so I'm beginning to hope/think about what I could do, maybe not this far, but ... 5000euro is half my camper budget

Hi @ColinD I think that a good stage1 map is the best value for money, take a look on @shyVRS245 and @newbie69 topics to see how much can this engine gain, it's very impressive!

Absolutely true, this is just inspiring for other small subtle tweaks. I've always liked better brakes and as components wear out, get close, I toy with alternatives. Afterall no matter what power you have, the laws of physics still apply trying to stop it, or change it's direction

 

Exactly Roscio 92bhp plus 164nm gain for me for £450 and improved fuel economy as a bonus. Almost 2 seconds gained in most acceleration tests. 40-70mph in 3 seconds is very useful for example.

4 hours ago, ColinD said:

I've always liked better brakes and as components wear out, get close, I toy with alternatives. Afterall no matter what power you have, the laws of physics still apply trying to stop it, or change it's direction

exactly, I personally tested that a few downhill curves are enough to undermine* the original brakes. So i changed brakes first... I'm for sure not a crazy driver on streets, but braking for the same downhill corners i have not been able to undermine* this bbk! Very pleased!

 

*is "undermine" a correct term to use for brakes that does not respond well?

5 minutes ago, Roscio said:

exactly, I personally tested that a few downhill curves are enough to undermine* the original brakes. So i changed brakes first... I'm for sure not a crazy driver on streets, but braking for the same downhill corners i have not been able to undermine* this bbk! Very pleased!

 

*is "undermine" a correct term to use for brakes that does not respond well?

Either Fade or Overwhelm perhaps a better description.

22 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Either Fade or Overwhelm perhaps a better description.

😅 Thanks!
My English needs to be improved, I apologize if sometimes I write something incomprehensible! 😅

 

3 minutes ago, Roscio said:

😅 Thanks!
My English needs to be improved, I apologize if sometimes I write something incomprehensible! 😅

 

Your English is excellent but you usually use undermine to describe a person rather than an item such as brakes. It literally means to hinder, weaken or impair.

55 minutes ago, Roscio said:

😅 Thanks!
My English needs to be improved, I apologize if sometimes I write something incomprehensible! 😅

I think you'll find that most English people would struggle to have anything like your level of foreign language comprehension! 

Undermine could be used to say that something like grease contamination would undermine the braking systems ability to stop the vehicle safely in an emergency situation.

 

The situation you describe, driving a bit too quick downhill would "overcome" the brakes or in everyday speech "overcook" the brakes!

Edited 25 May, 20206 yr by J.R.

@J.R. "overcook" gives exactly the idea of what I meant! 

@roscio for road driving I’d say fade. For a track environment I’d say overcook. that and a sponge like, or soft pedal response. 
 

what would you say in Italian?

 

if I overcooked on road driving... I’d be driving like a loony and in a hedge. Although plenty of road in Wales and Scotland where fade can appear quickly.
 

normally fluid and better pads are enough for fast road. But the superb is a big old lass to haul to a stop.

Slightly off-topic probably but with such major modifications in power and brakes, may I ask if there are any plans to also upgrade the 3rd fundamental element that will complete the package, the suspension?

Now I don't disagree that for straight line performance and daily driving it is not necessary (if that's all you're after), but with that sort of transformation done already I think a good suspension to match would not only perfectly complete the project, but would allow you to benefit from and appreciate the other mods to a much greater extent, plus it's probably definitely the smallest of costs even for a DCC compatible solution like just B6 shocks (better than OEM but not too harsh) or the full cream B16 Damptronic (firmer setup, but still manageable in Comfort).

And of-course I'm not looking for someone to test-drive these suspension mods for me, not at all... 

ok, i got it!

In Italian I would have said "Dopo pochi km percorsi in discesa i freni erano cotti e non avevo più pedale del freno".

1 hour ago, ColinD said:

if I overcooked on road driving... I’d be driving like a loony and in a hedge. Although plenty of road in Wales and Scotland where fade can appear quickly.
 

normally fluid and better pads are enough for fast road. But the superb is a big old lass to haul to a stop.

 

I agree...but just to clarify, in the hills where I live there are roads with a speed limit of 70 or 90 km/h. On some of these roads, the 90 km/h speed limit may seem almost a challenge even for a motorcyclist! By this I mean that on some sections of these roads it is easier to get to the car limit than the speed limit.
Therefore, wanting to test the capacity of the original brakes, just accelerate downhill between one curve and the next, and in a few km the brakes are "faded". As you said, we are talking about a 1,600+ kg car!