Greenline 1.6tdi ride quality impressions

[b1ackb1rd]

We now have 2 x Yeti in the family; a 2.0tdi and a 1.6tdi Greenline, you would think there's little difference between the two - but my 9 year old immediately noticed the Greenline being lower despite never discussing it with her or my wife.

Wife has been driving the 2.0tdi for some weeks, and after a whizz in the Greenline moaned about the lack of grunt off tickover, that she felt 'small' on the road ... and the ride quality which is crashy to say the least. 

We have now had the Greenline a week and cannot stand being in the car as the suspension is noisy and crashy over our wonderful road surfaces - 'do something, or sell it' the family have said.

Soooo, this morning while the family were out on a run I fitted the summer wheels off the 2.0tdi which are 215/60/16 and went for a test drive - what a difference, the car is now a pleasure to drive!

The alloys are the same so wife wasn't aware of the swap, she has just come back from a quick shopping trip in the Greenline with daughter in tow and announced she was wrong about the Greenline and that it's a lovely comfortable drive to which my pea under the mattress daughter was in total agreement.

Which is nice

 

 

[Urrell]

I have done 40,000+ miles in mine and find the ride very good as most others say the 16"  wheels and tyres give a better ride than the 17".
The Greenline is only 1" lower.
For you and yours having the impression it has a crashy ride there has to be something wrong.

[Urrell]

54 minutes ago, b1ackb1rd said:

Soooo, this morning while the family were out on a run I fitted the summer wheels off the 2.0tdi which are 215/60/16 and went for a test drive - what a difference, the car is now a pleasure to drive!

What do you have on it usually, make and size?
Mine are Michelin Energy on front and Cross Climate+ on back 205/55 16.

Edited 21 February, 2021 by Urrell

[b1ackb1rd]

1 hour ago, Urrell said:

What do you have on it usually, make and size?
Mine are Michelin Energy on front and Cross Climate+ on back 205/55 16.

 

We've had the Greenline a week, and it's being compared to the Yeti S 110hp that we have owned for a year. 

On Worcestershire's finest tarmacadam there are no nasty suspension noises, the Greenline wafts along silently, however doing down the lanes or crossing the border into Brum the ride becomes unacceptable. 

The 205/55/16's the Greenline came with were all weather Contis, inflated correctly. 

The summer wheels dug out of my shed and fitted to the Greenline today are 215/60/16 Landsail LS388's that were on the 2.0tdi car when I bought it, and all family agree they have transformed the Greenline. 

This is our opinions based upon our family cars driven back to back, and how WE like our cars to ride. 

Others may disagree, fair enough

 

 

[Carlston]

What width rims are the 205/55R16 tyres fitted to?

 

The wheel-size.com chart lists both 6J and 7J rims for the 205/55R16 tyre size.

Skoda Yeti 2015 1.6TDi

– Generation: 5L Facelift [2014 .. 2022] 

– Market: EUDM 

– Power: 103 hp | 77 kW | 105 PS 

– Engine: CAYC, I4, Diesel

– Options: Active, Ambition, GreenLine, Elegance

– Center Bore: 57.1 mm 

– Wheel Fasteners: Lug bolts 

– Torque: 120 Nm

– Thread Size: M14 x 1.5 

– Trim Production: [2014 .. 2015]

Tire	Rim	PCD
205/55R16 91H	6Jx16 ET50	5x112	2.2
205/55R16 91H	7Jx16 ET45	5x112	2.2
205/50R17 89V	6Jx17 ET45	5x112	2.2
225/50ZR17 94W	7Jx17 ET45	5x112	2.4

 

[Paul52]

I've got a 1.2TSI Elegance which came with 16" wheels (at my request - let's not go there) rather than the standard 17". The wheels are the 16" Moon alloys as fitted to the Greenline in 2013. The car came on ContiPremium Contact 2 tyres and when the time came I replaced them with the then newly introduced but well reviewed Michelin Cross Climate. I'd not been unhappy with the Contact 2s (I had nothing to compare them with) but the Cross Climates were a subtle but appreciable upgrade - I felt they  gave a better grip, there was less tyre noise and the "ride" just felt better. I couldn't quantify any of these but when the time came to replace the Michelins it was an easy decision to replace them with a new set and these haven't disappointed.

 

I only mention this in my usual long-winded way to say it might not be the wheels but the tyres that are the root of your problem. For completeness because my wheels were fitted at the original build the tyre size is 216/60R16. Whilst these might fit your wheels they might affect the accuracy of your speedometer; others will be more knowledgeable about this and whether it's likely to be significant.

 

Hope you get it sorted.

[Warrior193]

On 22/02/2021 at 14:49, Paul52 said:

I've got a 1.2TSI Elegance which came with 16" wheels (at my request - let's not go there) rather than the standard 17". The wheels are the 16" Moon alloys as fitted to the Greenline in 2013. The car came on ContiPremium Contact 2 tyres and when the time came I replaced them with the then newly introduced but well reviewed Michelin Cross Climate. I'd not been unhappy with the Contact 2s (I had nothing to compare them with) but the Cross Climates were a subtle but appreciable upgrade - I felt they  gave a better grip, there was less tyre noise and the "ride" just felt better. I couldn't quantify any of these but when the time came to replace the Michelins it was an easy decision to replace them with a new set and these haven't disappointed.

 

I only mention this in my usual long-winded way to say it might not be the wheels but the tyres that are the root of your problem. For completeness because my wheels were fitted at the original build the tyre size is 216/60R16. Whilst these might fit your wheels they might affect the accuracy of your speedometer; others will be more knowledgeable about this and whether it's likely to be significant.

 

Hope you get it sorted.

I am currently using 215/60/R16s for my winters, summers are standard 205/55/R16 - the 215/60s increase the rolling circumference by approx. 4% over the 205/55 size, which makes my speedo read exactly right when checked against a GPS.  Suggesting the speedo reads about 4-5% high on the standard 205/55 size.

Edited 23 February, 2021 by Warrior193
Typo

[Expatman]

The old chestnut of wheel sizes raises its head again!! I have had 2 Yeti’s and spec’d 16” wheels from new on both, the ride on 16” wheels (215/60 R16 tyres)  is smoother than on 17” wheels with lower profile tyres albeit at the limit it is claimed that 17” wheels have better road feel. However, I agree with Paul that tyres make a significant difference to ride and noise - present Yeti came with Goodyear Efficientgrips and they were quieter than the Cinturatos on my previous Yeti, however changed to Goodyear All Season Vector tyres and they are even smoother and quieter than the Efficientgrips. Yeti is now a real pleasure, smooth and quiet with little road noise.

Problem is - what the heck do I swap it for when time comes??????

[b1ackb1rd]

17 hours ago, Carlston said:

What width rims are the 205/55R16 tyres fitted to?

 

The wheel-size.com chart lists both 6J and 7J rims for the 205/55R16 tyre size.

Skoda Yeti 2015 1.6TDi

– Generation: 5L Facelift [2014 .. 2022] 

– Market: EUDM 

– Power: 103 hp | 77 kW | 105 PS 

– Engine: CAYC, I4, Diesel

– Options: Active, Ambition, GreenLine, Elegance

– Center Bore: 57.1 mm 

– Wheel Fasteners: Lug bolts 

– Torque: 120 Nm

– Thread Size: M14 x 1.5 

– Trim Production: [2014 .. 2015]

Tire	Rim	PCD
205/55R16 91H	6Jx16 ET50	5x112	2.2
205/55R16 91H	7Jx16 ET45	5x112	2.2
205/50R17 89V	6Jx17 ET45	5x112	2.2
225/50ZR17 94W	7Jx17 ET45	5x112	2.4

 

 Fitted to our 2012 Greenline = 1.6tdi 6.5Jx16 ET50

 

[Carlston]

1 hour ago, b1ackb1rd said:

 Fitted to our 2012 Greenline = 1.6tdi 6.5Jx16 ET50

 

That's an Octavia MK2 size rim, as shown here:

 

https://www.oponeo.pl/felga-stalowa/alcar-kfz-9915/21773125

Skoda Octavia 2012 2.0TDi

– Generation: 1Z [2005 .. 2012] [EUDM]  

– Power: 138 hp | 103 kW | 140 PS 

– Engine: I4, Diesel

– Center Bore: 57.1 mm 

– Wheel Fasteners: Lug bolts 

– Thread Size: M14 x 1.5 

– Trim Production: [2005 .. 2012]

Tire	Rim	PCD
205/55R16 91V	6.5Jx16 ET50	5x112	2.3
215/50R17 91V	7Jx17 ET54	5x112	2.3
225/45ZR17 91W	7.5Jx17 ET51	5x112	2.5

 

The Superb MK3 uses a 6.5J rim for its 215/60R16 tyre size, with a ET41 offset.

Skoda Superb 2016 2.0TDi

– Generation: 3V [2015 .. 2019] [EUDM]  

– Power: 148 hp | 110 kW | 150 PS 

– Engine: CRLB, I4, Diesel

– Options: S, SE, SE L, Active, Ambition, Style, L&K, Sportline, Executive

– Center Bore: 57.1 mm 

– Wheel Fasteners: Lug bolts 

– Torque: 140 Nm

– Thread Size: M14 x 1.5 

– Trim Production: [2015 .. 2019]

Tire	Rim	PCD
215/60R16 95V	6.5Jx16 ET41	5x112	2.3 / 2.1
215/55ZR17 94W	6.5Jx17 ET41	5x112	2.3 / 2.1
235/50R17 94V	7.5Jx17 ET45	5x112	2.3 / 2.1
235/45ZR18 94W	8Jx18 ET44	5x112	2.5 / 2.3

 

Edited 22 February, 2021 by Carlston

[b1ackb1rd]

2 minutes ago, Carlston said:

 

That's an Octavia MK2 size rim, as shown here:

 

 

It might be, but according to the previous owner who had the car from new that's what the car shipped with. 

All he's done is change the rubber. 

The wheels appear to sit mid way between both listed opinions for the Greenline, so I can't see how this would be an issue?

[Carlston]

13 minutes ago, b1ackb1rd said:

 

It might be, but according to the previous owner who had the car from new that's what the car shipped with. 

All he's done is change the rubber. 

The wheels appear to sit mid way between both listed opinions for the Greenline, so I can't see how this would be an issue?

 

In some European countries you can only fit tyre and rim sizes that are in the Certificate of Conformity. However, as it came out the factory that way, I would imagine it is in the Certificate of Conformity. 

[J.R.]

My EU CoC lists several different wheel & tyre sizes.

[Urrell]

Yeti UK approved tyre sizes in the manual.

[Carlston]

3 hours ago, Urrell said:

Yeti UK approved tyre sizes in the manual.

 

So the 1.2TSi 77kW/105HP engine with 155mm of ground clearance can be fitted with 195/65R15 tyres.

 

There's no mention of the 1.2TSi 81kW/110HP engine which replaced the 77kW/105HP engine in 2015. Presumably, that can also be fitted with 195/65R15 tyres.

 

195/65R15 would give similar ride comfort to 215/60R16, but is a much cheaper size.

 

Edited 23 February, 2021 by Carlston

[Urrell]

9 hours ago, Carlston said:

There's no mention of the 1.2TSi 81kW/110HP engine which replaced the 77kW/105HP engine in 2015. Presumably, that can also be fitted with 195/65R15 tyres.

My manual that it came from is November 2014, I don't believe the tyre information was published in later manuals, I would like to be proved wrong on that though.

[Llanigraham]

CBA

Edited 23 February, 2021 by Llanigraham

[logiclee]

On 23/02/2021 at 11:17, Urrell said:

My manual that it came from is November 2014, I don't believe the tyre information was published in later manuals, I would like to be proved wrong on that though.

 

Not in my 2017 brochure, only info on snow chains.

 

[PhilEyre]

TYRE ISSUE still alive and well.  Interesting to read Blackbird's post about the 215/60s fitted to a 1.6tdi.  I am reliably informed that the 215/60s summer tyres just refitted to my 2014 Yeti 1.6 Green Tec are totally illegal; only 205/55s will do.  I bought the vehicle in 2017 from the local dealer and guess what, it came with new 215/60s fitted by the dealer as I needed some new winter tyres at the time.  I have driven almost 100,000 km in 5 years with 215/60s, only finding out about a potential problem end of last year during French MOT via a vigilant test centre.  Finally I contacted both Skoda France, and the original supplier I bought from in 2017, plus my insurer who all concurred: only 205s are legal.  I am therefore going to contact my legal advisor next week, sell the 1.6 and buy a 2 litre so I can finally ride on 215s in peace!   I hope to get a good deal by threatening to sue the distributor who sold me a Yeti with new but illegal tyres fitted nearly 6 years ago. 

And yes, the Swedish winter tyres 205/55 gave an awful ride, night and day compared to the 215s.  I can't face continuing to drive it with 205s...

Edited 6 May, 2023 by PhilEyre

[b1ackb1rd]

I've only just changed back to 205/55/16 Contis as they were more economical after a prolonged period on 215/60/16. 

 

The ride is now crashy and harsh again, I would go back to 215/60/16 in a heartbeat, I don't subscribe to the type approval mania that infects some club sites. 

 

Illegal is a big word, I would imagine there will be a typically gaelic response from the chap who sold you the car

 

[PhilEyre]

I thought 'illegal' was exaggeration until this past week but:

• The test centre failed the Yeti last autumn with 215s, I then had to go through a revisit  with the Swedish winter 205s fitted. 
• The guy who refitted the summer 215s this week would only do it if I paid cash - no invoice as he was...acting illegally according to the fuel flap data.
• I contacted the local Skoda distributor who sold me the vehicle with 215s.  He confirmed they are not legal.  
• Contacted Skoda France, they say there is a strong possibility in case of accident that the insurer will walk away.   And in writing.
• The insurer confirmed that there may well be a problem in their eyes in case of a serious accident.                                                                                                                                              In conclusion I have legal protection/advice cover as well as fully comp insurance (with same insurer) and will contact them to discuss next week.  The distributor, a Skoda only specialist, was obviously well out of line in 2017.  I hope to parlay this into an acceptable swap for a 2 litre.  The 1.6 Green Tec Elegance (2014) do seem to hold their value quite well.

Edited 6 May, 2023 by PhilEyre
update

[b1ackb1rd]

I regularly see collision investigator and vehicle examiner reports in the course of my job, I have seen reference to the type, age, condition and tread depth but never a reference to whether the tyre is type approved for the vehicle. 

 

How can any owner or vendor be at fault when a mod was done by a previous owner, are they supposed to check the original spec of every car they sell?

 

I presume any lawyer appointed would hedge his bets on such a case and take it on a no-win, no-fee basis. 

[b1ackb1rd]

Now, on the other hand ... I might use this excuse to the Mrs to justify selling my truly terrible 1.6tdi for another 2.0tdi

[PhilEyre]

Well, the independent tyre fitter who lives not far from me had this to say last Thursday.  I told him about the test centre refusing the 215s, and going back with 205s.  He then looked at the white label on the inside of the fuel flap.  He told me that in his experience, from folk he has worked with, the 4th item listed during an accident report inspection and to check for is the correct tyre dimension.  He said if he could be identified as the last person to fit an incorrect tyre size before an accident he could be prosecuted, which is why he refused to give me a written bill.  

[Ootohere]

So EU so French.

They abide by the law while burning livestock on roads and in all circumstances. 

 

There are type approved tyres / wheels etc.  But no type approval that requires the Tyre sizes and pressures on a chart on the tyre flap. 

So tyre fitters and testers and examiners need another way of checking the Approved tyre / wheels for the particular vehicle.

 

In the UK luckily you can declare modifications and this is really necessary because Emergency Vehicles, Mountain Rescue, 4x4 recovery etc are often not running factory size tyres / wheels or as Type Approved on any Certificate of Conformity. 

Even Skoda Yeti used by the Coast Guard, Mine Rescue etc.

 

http://skoda.co.uk/owners/vehicle-import-export

http://eurococ.eu/en/certificate-of-conformity-skoda

 

 

Edited 6 May, 2023 by toot