Vehicles like the Taycan are IMHO the sort of cars we would have in the EV market if the EV market was dictated by market forces only. Weekend playthings for the more affluent who don't need to rely (so much) on a public (with a small p) charging infrastructure.

15 hours ago, apd007 said:

Base Model Y in white is "only" £45k.

In the news today is that as of April 2025 all electric cars are going to have start paying VED at a flat rate of £190 a year and here is the real kicker if your electric car is what the government feel is an "expensive" car that there will be an additional tax on top of the £190.

 

They have deemed it that if your car had or has a RRP published price in excess of £40,000 then it is an expensive car (so plenty will get a nasty shock when they learn that what they thought was not expensive is classed as being expensive by law), so any car in that category will also have an extra £410, making their annual VED bill go from £0 to £600 overnight.

2 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

In the news today is that as of April 2025 all electric cars are going to have start paying VED at a flat rate of £190 a year and here is the real kicker if your electric car is what the government feel is an "expensive" car that there will be an additional tax on top of the £190.

 

They have deemed it that if your car had or has a RRP published price in excess of £40,000 then it is an expensive car (so plenty will get a nasty shock when they learn that what they thought was not expensive is classed as being expensive by law), so any car in that category will also have an extra £410, making their annual VED bill go from £0 to £600 overnight.

 so EVs are  losing some of their "special" status and being brought in line with petrol & diesel powered vehicles.

Just found this channel 4 documentary, which I think was filmed a while ago, even though, it does seem to raise some issues even though some have said that these are not real issues, but I can't help but wonder if they are real and some might be in denial. Not having an electric car myself, I can only go by the information that I'm given and thereby lies the hub of the problem. There is conflicting information out there in the public domain, some of it comes from YouTubers who may or may not have a particular stance on this, some on one side of the fence and others on the other side.

 

I would expect that a main stream TV channel, respected for their normal high quality documentaries, to be 100% honest with their videos and information that they present to the viewer, but is it??

 

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-truth-about-electric-cars-dispatches/on-demand/73312-001

227 pages ago.  Threads Title and the OP.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/499506-the-truth-about-electric-cars

 

No nearer the truth than we were back then. 

6 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

227 pages ago.  Threads Title and the OP.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/499506-the-truth-about-electric-cars

 

No nearer the truth than we were back then. 

Oh, so it had been posted before, sorry about that, but better to have it twice than not at all. 

Best to know what a thread started as by reading it and evolves into as it goes along.

nah, much more interesting to jump in in the middle and make it up

50 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Best to know what a thread started as by reading it and evolves into as it goes along.

Not enough time in my life to read a thread from the start and wade through all the bickering, and BS. 😆

@Graham Butcher  Exactly, such a load of BS repeated over and over about stuff read and be it The Truth or a half truth or no truth.

BS from those getting 2nd hand stories and something they heard from someone else. 

The truth will come out in the wash by virtue of time, I would say in the next 30 or so years. A good point I can think of is IF heretic non climate change believers like myself are proven right and the world's population suddenly realises that trillions of whichever currency you can think of has been wasted, there is going to be a bit of a backlash...

@CrasherIt won't be the first time that world leaders have got things so wrong, not that I have belief either way. I just like to look before I leap. Also the world has over its lifetime seen All kinds of weather events such as an ice age, this we know from history, we have also seen extreme flooding, droughts etc, and all before internal combustion was ever invented so what caused that hot spell?

 

Time will be the exposer of the truth, the thing is will any of us be around or our children and or their children be here to see what the truth is?

6 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

....... I can only go by the information that I'm given and thereby lies the hub of the problem. There is conflicting information out there in the public domain, some of it comes from YouTubers who may or may not have a particular stance on this, some on one side of the fence and others on the other side.....

And that there is part of the reason I acquired an electric car. I am in a fortunate position that I can get it through work, it's NOT a company car, I have to pay for it out of my salary, but it is a lease deal that covers everything,  including insurance. As it's a 4 year lease I can see how it fits in to my life outside of the vested interests, half truths and outright lies that both sides are guilty of without the risk of getting stuck with a vehicle that, whether through politics, market forces or other reasons,
doesn't work for me. But if it does, I can get a replacement in 4 years time with, hopefully, 4 years of technology and infrastructure improvements.

 

 

 

 

It is looking very much like the fire and subsequent sinking of the Felicity Ace in 2022 and the devastating fire on board the Frementle Highway in 2023 was indeed as I suspected at the time, caused by electric cars going into thermal runaway a report by the European 'Maritime Safety Agency' is likely to be claiming as it has just issued new guidance and already the Greek Ministry of Merchant Shipping has placed a ban electric cars with batteries charged in excess of 40%, following the investigation into the fires on both the ships.

 

Other shipping companies it seems are already implementing bans on electric cars.

 

The following link provides evidence in support and may need to be run through Google Translator.

 

Griekse veerboten weigeren elektrische auto’s na nieuwe veiligheidsrichtlijn | Auto55.be | Nieuws 

Maybe it’s too late at night but why would level of charge impact the risk ?

 

/me waits for a slap head moment when he wakes up

38 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

Maybe it’s too late at night but why would level of charge impact the risk ?

 

/me waits for a slap head moment when he wakes up

 

More stored potential energy 🤷

I'm not an expert on that particular subject, but I suspect that it is related to how long any fire with a almost flat battery could burn for in a similar vein to a fuel tank that was almost empty compared to a full tank. Perhaps a simple way to think of it is like your lead acid 12v battery in your ICE car, a fully charged battery would be capable of turning the engine over many times before it ran out of power, whereas a duff or a battery in a low state of charge may turn the engine once or twice and stop doing it.

 

So I guess the thinking is that if a faulty cell or cells in a EV battery developed a internal fault and allowed excess current to flow, thus causing heat and lots of it, because of the batteries low state of charge, it would not be able to sustain that fault current and thus, the current drops and the heat drops as well.

Cars have been shipped with a minimum of fuel for years. I've had to top some up myself just to get them through a first inspection.

What's the difference 🤷

15 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Not enough time in my life to read a thread from the start and wade through all the bickering, and BS. 😆

You've written soooooo much in here in recent times, I'm not sure that your 'haven't got time' argument holds much sway.  😆

Edited 30 May, 20242 yr by Breezy_Pete

5 hours ago, @Lee said:

Cars have been shipped with a minimum of fuel for years. I've had to top some up myself just to get them through a first inspection.

What's the difference 🤷

which is an interesting point.

Technically a full tank of liquid fuel is safer than a partially empty tank of liquid fuel as there is less gas (which is the flammable part) in a full tank (although as liquid fuel can "go off" then there are other factors in play as to why that may not be the case in reality)

Interesting if there is a ban on BEV,s, PHEV,s and MHEV,s on ferries in and around the British isles / UK and to the continent.

 

No way of taking Passenger cars, lights commercials, HGV,s, Motor Cycles with Lithium traction batteries not crossing to Northern Ireland, Northern & Western Isles, Isle of Wight, Channel Isles, Isle of Man etc. 

5 hours ago, @Lee said:

Cars have been shipped with a minimum of fuel for years. I've had to top some up myself just to get them through a first inspection.

What's the difference 🤷

I'm sure that has been the new ICE from the start and I doubt new electric cars are any different. The directive is in connection with RORO ferries so we are talking about peoples personal cars here that they might well have topped up full to continue their journey once they dock? 

1 hour ago, Breezy_Pete said:

You've written soooooo much in here in recent times, I'm not sure that your 'haven't got time' argument holds much sway.  😆

Reading is not participating in the current discussions is it. 🙄

Thousands of new cars are arriving at UK ports from around the world & others are departing the UK.

BEV,s are getting on ferries in and around the UK daily. 

 

It is what it is, and what will be will be.   

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-66866327

 

Holy smoke.  We are doomed!

 

Edited 30 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

7 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Interesting if there is a ban on BEV,s, PHEV,s and MHEV,s on ferries in and around the British isles / UK and to the continent.

 

No way of taking Passenger cars, lights commercials, HGV,s, Motor Cycles with Lithium traction batteries not crossing to Northern Ireland, Northern & Western Isles, Isle of Wight, Channel Isles, Isle of Man etc. 

Or indeed in and around lots of other places. You can bet the conspiracy people will have a field day with that. 

 

Also remember, no one is stating that the battery started the fires, only that the  involvement of them in the fire made fighting it almost impossible to do.