Cheap 90 miles done home charging, now charging for the next 100 miles at the cheapest public rapid chargers I know.  The next 2 charges will be so much more expensive unless I do 1 at a slow charge on 11 kW AC.   I count the cost of the charging to come out about the same as getting 45 mpg with petrol or maybe a bit more.     Charging speed is ok.  I was not getting great efficiency getting here at 70 mph and 9*oC.   Going to have to drive a bit easier the next 100 and not use CC as it is not efficient or MID or GREEN. Green plus can be but no heating or demisting so really a no no unless needing to get an extra 10 miles range.  

Edited 17 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

Sorry double posts when even in business parks mobile reception can be hopeless. 

Edited 17 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

Maybe someone can find and link an article from yesterday and lots of miles in a VW EV.  But at 29 mph around a track.   If the idea is replicating city slow travel then the stop start and not moving for periods is really needing consideration. 

Both EVs now "retaxed" until 2026.

 

Odd procedure, give the V5C details, say cars already "taxed" until September, go on to retax them for 12 months so both will now come up for taxing in Jan 2026.

 

Just odd.

 

Should not be able to taxed once they are already taxed for a period, whether it is zero tax or not.

 

Wonder if Dept of Transport will close this loop hole soon as there must be millions slipping through their fingers and UK gov are going to miss out on their £16 a month, current figure, as EV owners in their hundreds of thousands slide their 2025 renewal month in to 2026.

 

5 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

We will see but I can see far more power being generated at homes and businesses. If solar this would be somewhat seasonal of course.

In leafy Worcestershire, sweet suburbia Worcester there seems to be thousands of houses installing solar on their roofs, looks like about a third or so of house getting full roof solar.  I am waiting for the new pervasive panels which have double the efficiency and for cost to fall even further.

What it needs is for a big push to come from generating companies and government to have panels installed on all houses etc that are suitable for them. I live in a HA house and have panels installed on my roof at no cost to me. This was done with an arrangement with the HA who agreed to offer the roof space FOC to a company who fit solar panels so that any tenant who wanted to have them could do at zero cost. The tenant is free to as much of the power generated FOC and any unused the company would sell back to the grid. I have had them installed now for something like 9 years.

 

I think if the generating Co's and the Government got their heads together, that between them, they could fund such schemes and the power Co's could simply collect any unused power to feed it directly into the grid and in turn release the enormous amount of land lost to solar farms, back into farming land so the that the farmers could produce more food here in the UK to reduce the amount we have to import. The problem with that is that it takes joined up thinking and that is something that we have, over the years, demonstrated that we seem incapable of doing. I would have thought that the cost of doing such would be far less than the cost of building a new power station.

12 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Both EVs now "retaxed" until 2026.

 

Odd procedure, give the V5C details, say cars already "taxed" until September, go on to retax them for 12 months so both will now come up for taxing in Jan 2026.

 

Just odd.

 

Should not be able to taxed once they are already taxed for a period, whether it is zero tax or not.

 

Wonder if Dept of Transport will close this loop hole soon as there must be millions slipping through their fingers and UK gov are going to miss out on their £16 a month, current figure, as EV owners in their hundreds of thousands slide their 2025 renewal month in to 2026.

 

Well, I doubt that they will refund the unused portion of the existing VED when you do that, so at least they are getting that amount of income for nothing.

10 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well, I doubt that they will refund the unused portion of the existing VED when you do that, so at least they are getting that amount of income for nothing.

 

It is all zero as BEVs are butterfly zero. I am trying to think of a circumstance where anyone would have a reason to move the relaxation date other than the obvious tax avoidance in sliding the coming of paying some actual VED as far in to the future. So UK Gov will get a quarter of revenue ie Q1 of 2026, some will push it in to March no doubt. 

 

Thought Jan 2026 was far enough for me even though Jan a touch month but Feb is great as short and Feb and March no council rates so bit more cash around.

 

9 hours ago, Ootohere said:

Sorry double posts when even in business parks mobile reception can be hopeless. 

I think that's been happening regardless @Ootohere.

I'm on hardwire broadband and I have had the odd double/treble post.

 

A look at an EV breaker's yard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgpw7DlC5ec

 

Edited 17 January, 20251 yr by EnterName

8 hours ago, Ootohere said:

Sorry double posts when even in business parks mobile reception can be hopeless. 

Where's BT when you need them.....

 

I bet there isn't a re-purposeable green cabinet in sight?

(I have doubts about their pivot)

 

8 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Both EVs now "retaxed" until 2026.

Steady on, it's only January. You are giving away 3 months worth of money!

 

8 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

What it needs is for a big push to come from generating companies and government to have panels installed on all houses etc that are suitable for them. I live in a HA house and have panels installed on my roof at no cost to me. This was done with an arrangement with the HA who agreed to offer the roof space FOC to a company who fit solar panels so that any tenant who wanted to have them could do at zero cost. The tenant is free to as much of the power generated FOC and any unused the company would sell back to the grid. I have had them installed now for something like 9 years.

 

I think if the generating Co's and the Government got their heads together, that between them, they could fund such schemes and the power Co's could simply collect any unused power to feed it directly into the grid and in turn release the enormous amount of land lost to solar farms, back into farming land so the that the farmers could produce more food here in the UK to reduce the amount we have to import. The problem with that is that it takes joined up thinking and that is something that we have, over the years, demonstrated that we seem incapable of doing. I would have thought that the cost of doing such would be far less than the cost of building a new power station.

It's the feed-in tariff which incentivise such things and make your free panels possible.

 

My was also installed in similar time, Oct 2015. Soon after government pulled FIT and lots of solar install companies went away because the market demand disappeared overnight.

 

Of course, people would cry "subsidy" and "have-have-not's", it's the EV thing all over again.

10 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

 

Steady on, it's only January. You are giving away 3 months worth of money......

 

OK with that, Zoe probably gone by then, maybe a R5 or 4 or just have the Scenic.

Don't mind paying something, might be retired by then and watching the pennies more but at least it is going to a Labour Government rather than a Con one.

 

Just built myself a higher capacity, amperage, trailing lead to go from 3 pin wall socket out, via the letter box, to the granny charger which can charge at 8,10, 13 or 16 amps (suited to the more powerful mainland Europe sockets).

 

Running at 10 amps at my brother i could feel the plug getting tepid.

 

He does already charge his daughters e golf with a 13a granny charger but I did not want to push it until I tested it at home so I just used my granny charger at 10a current level.

 

Now replaced the orange extension cable, 1.25mm or 1.5 mm power cables with a blue spec 2.5 mm electrical cable that will run 13a all day and night and should take heat away from the wall plug.

 

Just wondering how/if it would run at 16a if I changed to a 16a fuse or even if the 13a fuse would actually blow if drawing a nominal 16a. The granny box display shows the amps less than the 10 or 13 a nominal so perhaps choosing 16a setting would actually run at 15a or so and not even blow the 13a fuse. Might try it supervised.

 

Unit shows voltage and kwh and interesting how it varies at time of day and location and it shows high 220v to high 230v from what I have seen.

 

Wanted to try a hydra setup with two 13a plugs coming from a junction box to feed 16amps to the granny charger and most electrician say no no but with a great reason.

 

Edited 17 January, 20251 yr by lol-lol

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Just built myself a higher capacity, amperage, trailing lead to go from 3 pin wall socket out, via the letter box, to the granny charger which can charge at 8,10, 13 or 16 amps (suited to the more powerful mainland Europe sockets).

 

Running at 10 amps at my brother i could feel the plug getting tepid.

 

He does already charge his daughters e golf with a 13a granny charger but I did not want to push it until I tested it at home so I just used my granny charger at 10a current level.

 

Now replaced the orange extension cable, 1.25mm or 1.5 mm power cables with a blue spec 2.5 mm electrical cable that will run 13a all day and night and should take heat away from the wall plug.

 

Just wondering how/if it would run at 16a if I changed to a 16a fuse or even if the 13a fuse would actually blow if drawing a nominal 16a. The granny box display shows the amps less than the 10 or 13 a nominal so perhaps choosing 16a setting would actually run at 15a or so and not even blow the 13a fuse. Might try it supervised.

 

Unit shows voltage and kwh and interesting how it varies at time of day and location and it shows high 220v to high 230v from what I have seen.

 

Wanted to try a hydra setup with two 13a plugs coming from a junction box to feed 16amps to the granny charger and most electrician say no no but with a great reason.

 

I honestly would not entertain running a 13A plug and socket at anything higher than 13A. Your brothers' setup could be getting a bit warm running 10A, not because it is running at full capacity but for a multitude of reasons, it could an old 13A plug top with slightly oxidised pins, could be a substandard plug, does the plug feel like it has any heft to it? There was a time when a lot of prewired leads were coming into the UK where the plug pins, unlike a reputable brand, i.e., MK or Crabtree or Ashley & Rock would be using decent grade solid brass pins, these imported ones were having hollow pins, so the pins would get warm because there was not enough metal there to carry the current, or if they got dropped, the pins were actually being bent very slightly bent after the impact, resulting in a poor mating surface between the plug pins and socket tubes that the plug is pushed into mar slightly out of its tolerance limits and hence why 10-amps makes it slightly warm.

Edited 17 January, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

Vicky Parott (or is it Wiggy as the auto speech writer writes), car journalist from the UK , announces the European (as to the combined European car publicians not just European cars) Car of the Year 2025.  Most of the 7 finalist are electric reflecting the points allocated by the 60 or so publications across Europe.

 

A part from the winner and the winning manufacturers, second year in a row for them, some interesting runners up and not expensive cars either..  

Skip to 12 minutes in to avoid all the 61 year history of the competition...........

 

 

Edited 18 January, 20251 yr by lol-lol

2 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Only because of the December pre-registering?

 

@Graham Butcher  Yes pre registering.  But then articles can say that if the case.

Like they should of many Manufacturers for Decades getting cars in the Top Ten Selling lists when it is selling to them selves new and Dealers selling used / Brand new cars, 2nd registered keeper delivery miles.

Edited 18 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Only because of the December pre-registering?

 

Still a registration and sale which will turn up probably as a great lease deal.

 

BT bought a job lot of 3500 EV vans i gather late last year.

 

Just now, lol-lol said:

 

Still a registration and sale which will turn up probably as a great lease deal.

 

BT bought a job lot of 3500 EV vans i gather late last year.

 

Only really on paper, used to see plenty of cars in compounds all across the country before, but they never had number plates on them, they were just stock piled awaiting buyers, these days they have their number plates fixed ready and have been PDI'd ready to be driven away. Yes they did sell some cars back to the dealers etc, but they were all used as demonstrators and courtesy cars, these today are all stored in security compounds and not moved.

3 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Only really on paper, used to see plenty of cars in compounds all across the country before, but they never had number plates on them, they were just stock piled awaiting buyers, these days they have their number plates fixed ready and have been PDI'd ready to be driven away. Yes they did sell some cars back to the dealers etc, but they were all used as demonstrators and courtesy cars, these today are all stored in security compounds and not moved

I am not seeing a disproportionate number of 2024 EV on Autotrader. (See previous post) 
 

Therefore, I wonder who is footing the bill for storage and depreciation of those vehicles. If what numerous car dealer social media saying are true. 
 

Do people stockpile last year’s iPhones? EV are like that and tech moves quickly, so why do people stockpile fast depreciating asset with higher mandate this year? 

 

Investigating journalists from the major UK newsagencies or publications should be doing their job and revealing to the public the Kidology of the number of first registrations, storing vehicles owned by manufacturers and importers and drop feeding out used.     That is their job, rather than bloggers and vloggers that investigating journalists might look into their Self employed involved incomes and declaration to the HMRC.      PS.  Maybe a can of worms will get opened.  Company cars, BIK, loan / media cars lunches / launch,s.  Influencers.    Hospitalities.   Jollies and trips.    Maybe Haymarket Media Group, Autocar / Whatcar can do it, it one of Lord Michael Hedeltine,s Financial Journals.   He is an insider with VW / Bentley having brokered the buy out.  Also his businesses had and has VW as a customer.  Now that he stood down as the CEO of Haymarket Media Group maybe son Rupert can be the one to blow the whistle on any cheating going on in the UK motor trade.   Take the hit on their advertising income.  

Edited 18 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

9 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Investigating journalists from the major UK newsagencies or publications should be doing their job and revealing to the public the Kidology of the number of first registrations, storing vehicles owned by manufacturers and importers and drop feeding out used.     That is their job, rather than bloggers and vloggers that investigating journalists might look into their Self employed involved incomes and declaration to the HMRC.      PS.  Maybe a can of worms will get opened.  Company cars, BIK, loan / media cars lunches / launch,s.  Influencers.    Hospitalities.   Jollies and trips.    Maybe Haymarket Media Group, Autocar / Whatcar can do it, it one of Lord Michael Hedeltine,s Financial Journals.   He is an insider with VW / Bentley having brokered the buy out.  Also his businesses had and has VW as a customer. 

That is part of the problem, news medias journalists are following official lines / narratives most of the time, bloggers and loggers are free to their own thing, others are paid to say certain things. 

Bloggers and vloggers make up what ever they want.    There are some that tell a story and if true somehow are not prepared to name and shame.   Click bait.     Some need to be paranoid because the tax man might be the one at their door.   They will then claim dark forces at work.  

20 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Bloggers and vloggers make up what ever they want.    There are some that tell a story and if true somehow are not prepared to name and shame.   Click bait.     Some need to be paranoid because the tax man might be the one at their door.   They will then claim dark forces at work.  

Equally there are those loggers etc who are paid to spout certain narratives but in their own unique fashions and there also good ones who do, like it or not, tell it like it is and also name and shame.