That will be much older than your online connected services one. Above after I'd asked for a bright spark to crack the files one came forward:

 

 

For the technically minded and with a bit of SQL skills. Basically the mib3 files rolled out through Vag portals but not via connected services keep to the six month release. June / November but signed off six months before. Then the connected services are monthly. Always uptodate with Here Maps material. On top of that the Vag six monthly files can be out of date and not what they seem. Hence the code above to peak at them.

 

 

link to Škoda's P129 ECE 2024.06 has been add to head post

 

Can some one tell me the latest map version  For an Amundsen MIB3 AUSTRALIA     I have 23.12 and an Aus forum suggests there is a 23.6 but I cant find it and wonder why. Have d/loaded the suggested file but it seems its from June and doesnt load into my Kamiq.  Getting frustrated casing my tail

i tried to guess new filename, but no luck

last known

Škoda portal:   https://infotainment-cdn.skoda-auto.com/base/maps/OI_P119_MRM_AUS_202425_Offline_Update.zip

new 😞

Škoda portal:   -https://infotainment-cdn.skoda-auto.com/base/maps/OI_P129_MRM_AUS_202448_Offline_Update.zip

 

8 minutes ago, MartiniB said:

i tried to guess new filename, but no luck

last known

Škoda portal:   https://infotainment-cdn.skoda-auto.com/base/maps/OI_P119_MRM_AUS_202425_Offline_Update.zip

new 😞

Škoda portal:   -https://infotainment-cdn.skoda-auto.com/base/maps/OI_P129_MRM_AUS_202448_Offline_Update.zip

 

8 minutes ago, MartiniB said:

Sorry but links dont work for me

 

26 minutes ago, Exkiwi said:

 

 

Tried the first one on MartiniBs list ?. MartiniB has his sniffing out program, evident he's not found the group of RoW November 2024 maps yet. Probably not loaded up into the Skoda filestore yet, which is why. Ozzie summer time drives at Xmas may have to be done with older maps till then. Few more days left in November for that or may be a late running release.

 

On the positive side MartiniB said recently that these maps (Mib3) were only being release 12 monthly rather than the 6 monthly mib2 cycle to get you to buy the connect services contract for maps. The European November release popped out 🎉 which suggests they are keeping to the six monthly release.

 

In some world markets the online connect services maps won't be released which is why one suspects you see the detailed release by country in the filestore of MartiniB's previous posts. It's just going to be late I guess. Somebody hasn't loaded them up yet or they haven't all been run off yet.

1 minute ago, Tell said:

Tried the first one on MartiniBs list ?. MartiniB has his sniffing out program, evident he's not found the group of RoW November 2024 maps yet. Probably not loaded up into the Skoda filestore yet, which is why. Ozzie summer time drives at Xmas may have to be done with older maps till then. Few more days left in November for that or may be a late running release.

 

On the positive side MartiniB said recently that these maps (Mib3) were only being release 12 monthly rather than the 6 monthly mib2 cycle to get you to buy the connect services contract for maps. The European November release popped out 🎉 which suggests they are keeping to the six monthly release.

 

In some world markets the online connect services maps won't be released which is why one suspects you see the detailed release by country in the filestore of MartiniB's previous posts. It's just going to be late I guess. Somebody hasn't loaded them up yet or they haven't all been run off yet.

Ok I have downloaded that one months ago and  its iteration is 23.12    A poster has shown a face of an Amundsen with 23.6 as the map version   and posted a supposedly newer map  to get to that version. When I d/load it it is the June version shown here and wont load into my MIB    I reckon its because it is the map i have already and there is no November map so far this year. Nothing on the VW portal for November either as there used to be  either.  They are getting slack as we cant do online updates as it isnt in Australia.   

 

However in an unusual scenario I remember  Having a map that was say 21.3   and they next one seemed to be, say 21.19  which in progressive numbers doesnt make sense.

 

Any ideas    a sI will just wait and see if Santa comes early

35 minutes ago, Exkiwi said:

Ok I have downloaded that one months ago and  its iteration is 23.12    A poster has shown a face of an Amundsen with 23.6 as the map version   and posted a supposedly newer map  to get to that version. When I d/load it it is the June version shown here and wont load into my MIB    I reckon its because it is the map i have already and there is no November map so far this year. Nothing on the VW portal for November either as there used to be  either.  They are getting slack as we cant do online updates as it isnt in Australia.   

 

However in an unusual scenario I remember  Having a map that was say 21.3   and they next one seemed to be, say 21.19  which in progressive numbers doesnt make sense.

 

Any ideas    a sI will just wait and see if Santa comes early

Well they won't load in if the file is scrambled. Not sure of the mib3 behavior of how it re sees something it already has. You'd expect a delay whilst it read the files to check or maybe it shows nothing.

 

Other than that you will be climbing into recent release cars to read their series release. You can do that on a Cupra Tavascan for me... think you should be seeing that before Europe. I reckon that has mib4. Think we might be seeing those releases that Audi have which you see on the Drive2 board that aren't the sequence of mib3s we recognise. Fun when a new mib is brought out. Throw this one out for MartiniB. I'm sticking with trusty mib2 high for the time being but a slick EV would be nice in 5 years time. Mib5 if Vag doesn't go bust by then. Might have to have a few years of no map updates to get to that point.

On thinking, the file descriptor refers not to the version of the map but the issues date of of it.

 

So when you load it and read the system page on the MIB it will show year and month of the file   NOT A  VERSION indicator

 

Hence if issued sort of  6 monthly in 2024 you could have 24.02  followed by 24.6 and then 24.11. Does than make sense

 

So going by that 23.12 is later than 23.6. 

 

Make sense or not

1 hour ago, Exkiwi said:

On thinking, the file descriptor refers not to the version of the map but the issues date of of it.

 

So when you load it and read the system page on the MIB it will show year and month of the file   NOT A  VERSION indicator

 

Hence if issued sort of  6 monthly in 2024 you could have 24.02  followed by 24.6 and then 24.11. Does than make sense

 

So going by that 23.12 is later than 23.6. 

 

Make sense or not

YY.MM

 

Those on connected services in Europe get the monthly updates over the air and quote that YY.MM if they have lost the update for whatever reason. Only recently we got told by a clever soul where the YY.MM was in those files since we had no way of placing the offline maps to the online ones. We know now. 

 

MartiniB in anycase loads those in his car. The issue was placing the maps provided in other Vag sites. Seat, VW which were old and which not. SQL Lite provides the answer but I'll take MartiniB's word.

 

We know that Seat maps are hopelessly out of date offline... may have changed that now. Depends how good their library services are for filing away what they get given. Seat was very good once, better than  VW.  They had files that VW didn't in their filestore. South America.

 

Skoda has lagged behind VW at times but seems on top of it now. MartiniB meticulous notes the stuff down. Those dates listed are a carrier over from his mib2 listings but he has now added the YY.MM which is the version release in traditional terms. Mib2 high is on 390 now, the 24.11 is the equivalent in mib3 (November 2024 release). You'd expect 25.05 to be the next release but we'll see. As for 390, it could be 410 but they have been known to leap much further forward at times.

4 minutes ago, Tell said:

YY.MM

 

 

 

Skoda has lagged behind VW at times but seems on top of it now. MartiniB meticulous notes the stuff down. Those dates listed are a carrier over from his mib2 listings but he has now added the YY.MM which is the version release in traditional terms. Mib2 high is on 390 now, the 24.11 is the equivalent in mib3 (November 2024 release). You'd expect 25.05 to be the next release but we'll see. As for 390, it could be 410 but they have been known to leap much further forward at times.

  Well I have 23.12 and when I try to download Aus 12 Pr119 CT 3WS-23131 offline it wont load in the car and seems it is the map I installed about July  and there is no later one on either VW or Skoda for the KAMIQ Amundsen

look, how is titled previous P119 23.12 on Škoda portal

 

 

This practice is standard behavior over years -
Titles of realized maps are half year forward while archive's content half year outdated

 

not hard to guess, new P129 24.06 will be titled as ECE 2025

 

We don't dwell on the "outdated" bit. The Google map people think they have the latest maps but still on a production / validation cycle. So the material itself will go through a validation cycle if spotted as a road change / new build. That can vary by cartography company. Google can be  very bad digitising private farm tracks. Loonies behind that. Google cars also go up them ignoring no though road signs. Saving grace round here is the camera gets knocked off the top of the vehicle on over hanging branches, so they stop and turn round, others they have got through and Google digitises a private farm track. My pet hate living here as hotel guests proceed up an unmade private farm track road between two made public roads. Have to jump to one side. Unlike Oz we don't drive on unmade roads in the UK... and not farm private tracks that cut between public roads... loony mappers and loony cartography companies put this stuff in. The speed of the road should get you on main roads but if farm tracks are put in at 60mph it fools the algorithm on route selection. How you get taken up silly cut through roads.

 

The production cycle is then about six months which are those two dates. It can take 1-2 years to get new builds into digital maps. Proper cartography companies like Here Maps have them digitised in for complete new highways, then turn the changes on once they hear the road is build. The new estates can slip through un picked up.

 

Traffic is monitored by probes from the mobile phone traffic. That one is how loonies manage to get non existent builders roads into digital maps. On housing estates the development company have one set of roads that are builders roads from the depo etc then once the estate is build the geography is changed. Careless mapping companies digitise the developers roads which never get taken out. Happens a lot. Roads go through people's front gardens or houses.... Builders roads should never be digitised in, only the finals roads. The road must be there since we have traffic, no the bulldozer driver phone in their back pocket.

 

In the UK the gold plated standard is the Ordance Survey planning maps. Any development has to be on these Crown maps. The local authority planning / survey department use these as indeed private survey companies making applications for builds. The local authority allocate house numbers against them. Where the UK house number scheme is found and the post office, postcode / house number directory. Problem is they cost money for cartography companies to use and they are set in their international ways of one way of working fits all. Where GIS proxy solutions are used on house numbers in digital maps. They don't get them in the right place. Scatter them along roads equally spread. Another GIS solution used but not very good by some cartography companies.

 

Early mib3 maps in the UK clearly had something wrong with them. They took you off road to house numbers. The company that translated the Here Maps cartography files didn't have a clue about GIS. You went off road to a house number. That has now been fixed. That issue was fixed two years back.

 

So yes I wouldn't dwell too much on that six month cycle from file closure to distribution there is a long lead period before that. If the cartography company isn't doing their job well it's garbage in garbage out so any lead time is meaning less.

 

So yes MartiniB is now using the YY.MM as the map designator that you'd read on these maps in the car so it falls into line. SQL can be used to inspect the files as above to check to find it. Before the kind soul told us how to do it we didn't know. I put a request out for somebody to say where it was in the file. They duly told me 👍 which means you can audit the materiel for how it will appear once installed. Useful when looking across what Vag sites are offering up.

Edited 22 November, 202422 Nov by Tell

On 22/11/2024 at 00:46, Exkiwi said:

  Well I have 23.12 and when I try to download Aus 12 Pr119 CT 3WS-23131 offline it wont load in the car and seems it is the map I installed about July  and there is no later one on either VW or Skoda for the KAMIQ Amundsen

Did you see that MartiniB edited in the rest of the links for the November 2024 release last Friday. Particularly Australia.

 

# Australia    1.8 Gb
 VW portal:   https://navigation-maps.volkswagen.com/vw-maps/AUS_12PR119_CT3WS-23131_Offline_Update.tar

 

The one you were after. Comes up with the designator for June which is what you'd see with connected services... the other debate. So that the November release.

Edited 26 November, 202426 Nov by Tell

On 21/11/2024 at 09:37, Exkiwi said:

new

Škoda portal:   https://infotainment-cdn.skoda-auto.com/base/maps/OI_P129_MRM_AUS_202448_Offline_Update.zip

 

Sorry but links dont work for me

 

since yesterday available, later i will add to head post

 

Škoda's portal RoWs/MRMs 2025 added

 

Hello,

 

Could I have some advice on what type of USB C adapter I have to use to copy / upload data into a Superb III MIB3 - sadly.

 

I am trying to update the maps and also radio station logos.

I have used a 32 GB USB stick formatted to FAT32 with a USB A to C data adapter - no luck.

I have bought a 64 GB USB stick with USB A and C connectors. This 64GB stick can only be formatted to exFAT as windows only formats up to 32GB in FAT32. Still no luck with either the maps or radio station logos.

 

What devices other than the Skoda ones do people use?

exFat should be fine. That's the default format for large semi conductor memory. If it's a reversible stick with a connection at both end that is the preferred Briskoda advice you read on here if your PC / Laptop only has USB A. If it's got USB C then a USB C only stick is fine. It's the USB A / C adaptors that don't support data that are an issue. That's reported elsewhere. There are some USB sticks that have a flashy light on them where users like them since they see that it's doing something. That got the thumbs up from SeatCupra website of recent.

 

That just brings us onto presentation. Mib3 is like mib2 high, an encryption signature is used to ensure the integrity of the upload. You can't poke about inside the files and resave them, quit is fine. You have to be careful that any inspection of the files is kept separate from what you are going to put into the car. Getting the files presented at the correct level is also important. That's in the documentation for the map uploads and radio logos.

 

You mentioned Windows so that would be fine as far as Macs are concerned where CleanMyDrive needs to be used to take away Mac garbage that Macs leave on the USB drive. That's the encryption signature check that the files fail on if CleanMyDrive isn't used.

 

The map upload can take a time and will only take place in the window that the unit is powered up. Restart points are used if the unit powers down. Why map updates can take several days dependent on how you use the car. The speed of the USB will also have a bearing on this obviously.

 

So as to not re invent the circle I've used the best Briskoda / Seat Cupra advice on this thread. The first post has the PDFs for each of the VAG brands, which are all the same technique. Down the bottom of that post, you can see the level of success. It's a fair level of success. I suspect it's like mib2 high, presentation issues kick in and people have issues. You see that across the Vag brand on mib2 highs (that SLA encryption signature and presentation), once sorted out, no issue.

 

https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/threads/updating-the-inbuilt-mib3-satnav-offline.472408/

 

As far as radio logos are concerned no luck with Seat it's not supported. Only VW and Skoda. Seat haven't argued the toss on that one well enough with the Vag contractors. Skoda owners are more fortunate.

Hi Tell,

 

Thanks for the in depth reply.

You mention presentation. I downloaded straight off the server with the VIN. It is the file starting OI... . I opened the zip and copied all the separate files onto the stick. There was no messing about. Or would my system still be up to date with the files updated in February?

If you are using MartiniBs current top post that is 24.06, so on your last question is whether your current downloaded maps over the air I take it are after 24.06 as shown on your screen. MartiniB's files are direct from the file server so if you use the VIN approach via the respective VAG website you may be served up old  maps.

 

Always best to use MartiniB's direct link since these are identified before they get wrapped in a web page. VW, Skoda and Seat they all use the same file so you use the first one that's works doesn't matter which branding its on. Seat currently only shows 2022 maps which is ridiculous.

 

So yes you will have the latest downloadable files. I would have thought your contract ending in February would give you earlier files but you can read that off the menu. That then falls into presentation. 7zip is recommended, other unzipping programmes can add extra characters. Having downloaded the file as a zip. You make another directory where you are going to unzip it too. Open that up with the filemanager, blank one. Then go back to the download directory. Hangover the zipped file, right click, 7zip open. Highlight all elements than drag and drop to the empty directory. That is then a replica of what is going on your USB. After unzipping it, then drag and drop all of that onto the USB. Those multiple open screens can be done on Windows 10/11 by picking off the top right in the filemanagers. Use 7zio since some early versions of Windows 10 can add those random characters.

 

Then put it in the car and follow those menu options to kick it off.

 

Your download folder will have this in it

 

 

Then all of this stuff is got to be in the root of your USB.... not one down if you see what I mean. I ball the PDFs. This is what happens people get it in the wrong level. You might be fine using the

built in Filemanager opening up of the zip file but it's got to be as below in your root. You don't want to see OI_  blah, blah on the USB what's below is in the route. USB needs to be blank before the copy.

 

 

As per the SKODA PDF

 

https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/attachments/skoda-map-updates-mib3-pdf.36225/

 

But I open it up and copy out to a save area, then copy it out to the USB but as per the documentation that is what goes in the route and it's exFAT, there are NTFS lovies about

but they really shouldn't be using NTFS on SD and USBs !. It's slower.

 

On this bit:

 

 

That's the incremental update with roll back restarts if it does roll back. Should take the 40 minutes on the EU maps.

 

 

Edited 3 December, 20243 Dec by Tell
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Im no expert but have been doing this for a few years successfully. As a observation it is better to (unzip) ( UnRar) from the file direct to the root directory of the USB drive.  So download the file, extract it direct onto the stick, No need to "copy" anything. The less steps you take the better    Always use a PC  NEVER A DEVILS SPAWN APPLE PRODUCT

Edited 3 December, 20243 Dec by Exkiwi

It is digital nothing is lost. If you do it directly you start thrashing the interface between the motherboard and the USB as it goes backwards and forwards unless UnRar uses a working directory then copies everything over once unzipped. 7zip doesn't. The built in Windows 10/11 are slow on unzipping which is why I stick to the Vag recommended process. I know Skoda drivers don't follow set rules like wanting to use NTFS when they shouldn't. 😉

44 minutes ago, Tell said:

It is digital nothing is lost. If you do it directly you start thrashing the interface between the motherboard and the USB as it goes backwards and forwards unless UnRar uses a working directory then copies everything over once unzipped. 7zip doesn't. The built in Windows 10/11 are slow on unzipping which is why I stick to the Vag recommended process. I know Skoda drivers don't follow set rules like wanting to use NTFS when they shouldn't. 😉

Havent gone into the intricacies of what happens but know what has worked for me  Have always used  WinRAR for at least 14 years and has always worked 

 

Which way should I lean as up until recently I had both a VW and a Skoda.  Installed on both using the same method and always worked apart from once when I pulled a stick out by mistake.

 

The stick I have been using has 1300music tracks on it and I have just UnRARed to the root of it and it has installed the maps ok. Is formatted in Fat32 and is a 64Gb stick

2 hours ago, Exkiwi said:

Havent gone into the intricacies of what happens but know what has worked for me  Have always used  WinRAR for at least 14 years and has always worked 

 

Which way should I lean as up until recently I had both a VW and a Skoda.  Installed on both using the same method and always worked apart from once when I pulled a stick out by mistake.

 

The stick I have been using has 1300music tracks on it and I have just UnRARed to the root of it and it has installed the maps ok. Is formatted in Fat32 and is a 64Gb stick

Think yours are the Antipodean smaller files. Probably your Fat32 is working well since it's in the 4gb area. There are mods about of formatters which push the limits up of fat32.

 

Google friendly AI system says this which I wouldn't disagree with... exFat is designed for solid state memory. I did do some timing on an SD card when this came up about mib2 high maps bridging the 33gb limit. There is a burst mode on some USB drives which is how they get different speeds.

 

 

At the end of the day it's whatever works for you although keeping to Vag guidance makes it easier to give one set of instructions of how to do it. I quite like the idea of the stick with the data flashing light on it. Mib2 high I use the engineering menu so see the components parts go over as the map is updated. Not sure of whether anybody has mastered the mib3 swdl. Probably. In the meantime flashing LED on the USB does show some data traffic.

1 hour ago, Tell said:

Think yours are the Antipodean smaller files. Probably your Fat32 is working well since it's in the 4gb area. There are mods about of formatters which push the limits up of fat32.

 

Google friendly AI system says this which I wouldn't disagree with... exFat is designed for solid state memory. I did do some timing on an SD card when this came up about mib2 high maps bridging the 33gb limit. There is a burst mode on some USB drives which is how they get different speeds.

 

 

At the end of the day it's whatever works for you although keeping to Vag guidance makes it easier to give one set of instructions of how to do it. I quite like the idea of the stick with the data flashing light on it. Mib2 high I use the engineering menu so see the components parts go over as the map is updated. Not sure of whether anybody has mastered the mib3 swdl. Probably. In the meantime flashing LED on the USB does show some data traffic.

I use a program called GUIFORMAT that will format any size card as Fat 32    Use it to run large cards in my older dashcams which are only supposed to run 32gb cards   at present using 200gb Fat 32 

Am going to try a Lexar 32gb stick on am OTG cable USB A to USBC and see if it will work as havent got a spare USBC stick.  Got to find time for a 40 min drive to install it.