ESP / ABS G201 Failure (Teves MK60) - List

[FAB-Bri]

Thanks Chaps,

On the strength of this thread I am not buying another Scoda! I was looking to change my Fabia Estate for something bigger but I still will but nothing from the VAG stable I'm afraid :'(

[Niall]

Mine was sorted on Monday, having been diagnosed the previous Tuesday. That's 4 working days.

West End Garage in Broxburn are clearly awesome!

Wishing everyone else best of luck with their cases.

Niall

[Snowie]

No. - User - Model - Registered month/year - Failure month / year - mileage at failure - skoda's response (goodwill)

01 - Scouter2 - Octavia Scout - Registered 04/07 - Fault 08/10 - 52,000 miles - so far 35% goodwill offered (ongoing)

02 - darius - Octavia EleganceEstate - Registered 04/1995 (05 plate) - Failure 08 / 2010 - circa 44000 - Nothing (see comments post #3)

03 - pmc - octavia 4x4 estate - reg feb 05 - nov2009 - 50,000miles - ongoing (see post #6)

04 - Bluvrs2 Octavia vrs registered 2 October 2006 Fault Thurs 28 Jan mileage 27416 skoda £884.63 out of £1500 bill I paid 615.37

05 - Keekodog Octavia VRS Registed October 2006, Fault 03/09 - 32,000 miles, covered under warranty

06 - paulolourenco76 - Octavia Vrs tfsi - Reg 03 2006 - Fail 07 2009 - 25000miles - Goodwill due to loyalty, I Paid £294 ish

07 - Rhoobarb - Octi VRS - Reg Dec 2005 - Failure beginning of 2010 - 35k (ish) - Ongoing (see post #13)

08 - fikes75-octavia vrs- jan 2006-fail feb 2010- 24000 miles- 60% goodwill paid £394

09 - Andrew S Wales - Octavia VRS TFSI - reg May 06 - Failed May 10 - 36,000 miles - covered by Skoda Approved Used Car Warranty (thankfully!)

10- VRSbilly - Octavia VRS TFSI - reg Mar 06 - Failed Sep 10 - 12,600 miles - Cost me £600

11 - Daveclar-Octavia vRS CR TDi-Reg July 2008-Fault August 2010-16500- Week outside warranty. Parts and labour covered fully.

12 - Bev.Elliott - Octavia 4x4 - March 06 - July 2010 - 54,000. 35%.

13 - Steev - Octavia vRS 2.0T - Reg May 2007 - Fail Sep 2010 - 25,200 miles - ongoing

14 - Niall - Octavia Scout 2.0PD - Reg May 07 - Fail Oct 2010 - 74,500 - 100% Goodwill

15 -Dan - Octavia VRS 2.0PD - Reg Jan 07 - Fail July 2010 - 28000 miles - Skoda Ireland coverered 80% after haggling and dealer half the labour = €372 to me

16- shorty - Octavia Sport 2.0PD - Reg Jul 06 - Fail Jun 2010 - 60000 miles - so far offered 35% goodwill, not accepted

17-Snowie-Octavia 4x4 TDi estate-Reg March 07-Fail Oct 2010-36000miles-Visit to Skoda dealer next week. Will let you know!!!!!!

[Steev]

Reasonable result, in the end ...

Skoda UK appeared to be just stalling - the said they needed a fault code from the dealer, but it turns out the dealer send it to them weeks ago. When I forced the issue (got the dealer to re-send the code with me standing there, Vindis Skoda Cambridge being super-helpful there, nice going lads), Skoda UK actually received it. They offered 50% of the cost, so I pay £606. I said "Hey, I can get this fixed for £550 using ECU Testing Ltd. and then pursue the dealer for compensation through the courts, why the hell would I accept a goodwill offer of paying £606? You gave Niall 100%!" They then came back at 70%, so I pay £363. I'm going to take this, because I've had enough grief. So updated table:

No. - User - Model - Registered month/year - Failure month / year - mileage at failure - skoda's response (goodwill)

01 - Scouter2 - Octavia Scout - Registered 04/07 - Fault 08/10 - 52,000 miles - so far 35% goodwill offered (ongoing)

02 - darius - Octavia EleganceEstate - Registered 04/1995 (05 plate) - Failure 08 / 2010 - circa 44000 - Nothing (see comments post #3)

03 - pmc - octavia 4x4 estate - reg feb 05 - nov2009 - 50,000miles - ongoing (see post #6)

04 - Bluvrs2 Octavia vrs registered 2 October 2006 Fault Thurs 28 Jan mileage 27416 skoda £884.63 out of £1500 bill I paid 615.37

05 - Keekodog Octavia VRS Registed October 2006, Fault 03/09 - 32,000 miles, covered under warranty

06 - paulolourenco76 - Octavia Vrs tfsi - Reg 03 2006 - Fail 07 2009 - 25000miles - Goodwill due to loyalty, I Paid £294 ish

07 - Rhoobarb - Octi VRS - Reg Dec 2005 - Failure beginning of 2010 - 35k (ish) - Ongoing (see post #13)

08 - fikes75-octavia vrs- jan 2006-fail feb 2010- 24000 miles- 60% goodwill paid £394

09 - Andrew S Wales - Octavia VRS TFSI - reg May 06 - Failed May 10 - 36,000 miles - covered by Skoda Approved Used Car Warranty (thankfully!)

10- VRSbilly - Octavia VRS TFSI - reg Mar 06 - Failed Sep 10 - 12,600 miles - Cost me £600

11 - Daveclar-Octavia vRS CR TDi-Reg July 2008-Fault August 2010-16500- Week outside warranty. Parts and labour covered fully.

12 - Bev.Elliott - Octavia 4x4 - March 06 - July 2010 - 54,000. 35%.

13 - Steev - Octavia vRS 2.0T - Reg May 2007 - Fail Sep 2010 - 25,200 miles - 70% revised goodwill after threats of court action, I pay £363

14 - Niall - Octavia Scout 2.0PD - Reg May 07 - Fail Oct 2010 - 74,500 - 100% Goodwill

15 -Dan - Octavia VRS 2.0PD - Reg Jan 07 - Fail July 2010 - 28000 miles - Skoda Ireland coverered 80% after haggling and dealer half the labour = €372 to me

16- shorty - Octavia Sport 2.0PD - Reg Jul 06 - Fail Jun 2010 - 60000 miles - so far offered 35% goodwill, not accepted

17-Snowie-Octavia 4x4 TDi estate-Reg March 07-Fail Oct 2010-36000miles-Visit to Skoda dealer next week. Will let you know!!!!!!

Good luck to everyone else ... happy to share any other info if that would help. My #1 top tip is: even though you might have to threaten to take the dealer to court (I bought the car from my local dealer, so I have legal rights etc.), never tell them that - it just annoys them and they then won't help. You have to tell Skoda UK that you're going to take the dealer to court, to keep them focussed on a good outcome, but keep the dealer sweet by playing the injured puppy when you're talking to them. Bit of a mistake I made, there - my dealer hates me at the moment, coz I went in a bit heavy

[blank]

I've not had this problem (yet) but just a thought for anyone having issues:

If you paid for part of your car (even just the deposit) by CREDIT CARD your card issuer is equally liable for any problems.

You can try to make a Section 75 claim through your credit card company.

This is often a lot easier than going through retailers/manufacturers.

[Gordonp46]

User - Model - Registered month/year - Failure month / year - mileage at failure - skoda's response (goodwill)

gordonp46 -Octavia TDi estate L&K-Feb 06 reg-failed June 2010- mileage 60K-luckily I had extended the warranty after 3 yrs so did not have to pay (best value £300 I have spent!!)

[scouter2]

Quick update:

After 6 weeks of haggling and arguing with Skoda UK and threatening to take them to court I finally got 100% contribution for parts & labour. The unit was replaced last week. I think it it is also fair to say that my dealer helped as much as they could when dealing with Skoda UK.

It started off with 0%, then after 1 week 35% parts, then 50% parts /35% labor, then 80% parts / 45% labor and finally 100%. (The initial quote was for over £1740.00!)

So happy in the end but it did require a lot of perseverance. My advice to anybody, don't give up keep going and phone Skoda UK back every week.

Edited 28 October, 2010 by scouter2

[scouter2]

No. - User - Model - Registered month/year - Failure month / year - mileage at failure - skoda's response (goodwill)

01 - Scouter2 - Octavia Scout - Registered 04/07 - Fault 08/10 - 52,000 miles - 100% goodwill offered (eventually)

02 - darius - Octavia EleganceEstate - Registered 04/1995 (05 plate) - Failure 08 / 2010 - circa 44000 - Nothing (see comments post #3)

03 - pmc - octavia 4x4 estate - reg feb 05 - nov2009 - 50,000miles - ongoing (see post #6)

04 - Bluvrs2 Octavia vrs registered 2 October 2006 Fault Thurs 28 Jan mileage 27416 skoda £884.63 out of £1500 bill I paid 615.37

05 - Keekodog Octavia VRS Registed October 2006, Fault 03/09 - 32,000 miles, covered under warranty

06 - paulolourenco76 - Octavia Vrs tfsi - Reg 03 2006 - Fail 07 2009 - 25000miles - Goodwill due to loyalty, I Paid £294 ish

07 - Rhoobarb - Octi VRS - Reg Dec 2005 - Failure beginning of 2010 - 35k (ish) - Ongoing (see post #13)

08 - fikes75-octavia vrs- jan 2006-fail feb 2010- 24000 miles- 60% goodwill paid £394

09 - Andrew S Wales - Octavia VRS TFSI - reg May 06 - Failed May 10 - 36,000 miles - covered by Skoda Approved Used Car Warranty (thankfully!)

10- VRSbilly - Octavia VRS TFSI - reg Mar 06 - Failed Sep 10 - 12,600 miles - Cost me £600

11 - Daveclar-Octavia vRS CR TDi-Reg July 2008-Fault August 2010-16500- Week outside warranty. Parts and labour covered fully.

12 - Bev.Elliott - Octavia 4x4 - March 06 - July 2010 - 54,000. 35%.

13 - Steev - Octavia vRS 2.0T - Reg May 2007 - Fail Sep 2010 - 25,200 miles - 70% revised goodwill after threats of court action, I pay £363

14 - Niall - Octavia Scout 2.0PD - Reg May 07 - Fail Oct 2010 - 74,500 - 100% Goodwill

15 -Dan - Octavia VRS 2.0PD - Reg Jan 07 - Fail July 2010 - 28000 miles - Skoda Ireland coverered 80% after haggling and dealer half the labour = €372 to me

16- shorty - Octavia Sport 2.0PD - Reg Jul 06 - Fail Jun 2010 - 60000 miles - so far offered 35% goodwill, not accepted

17- Snowie-Octavia 4x4 TDi estate-Reg March 07-Fail Oct 2010-36000miles-Visit to Skoda dealer next week. Will let you know!!!!!!

18- gordonp46 -Octavia TDi estate L&K-Feb 06 reg-failed June 2010- mileage 60K-luckily I had extended the warranty after 3 yrs so did not have to pay (best value £300 I have spent!!)

[Snowie]

Hi Snowie here. Number 17 on the list. Just been offered 100% parts and 50% labour from Skoda. However, dealer can't tell me what the labour costs will be. (Hmm!!!!!)

Anyone got an idea of how the costs to repair this breaks down. I.E. How much (roughly) will I pay?

Cheers

Update.

Sorry folk....just read Bev Elliots article in the Sunday Post. Looks like 50% labour is around £67.

Good luck to all those still trying.

Edited 5 November, 2010 by Snowie

[swil00]

To add me....

swil00 - Registered 02/2005 - Failure 09/2009 - 67k - Dealer quoted £1200 to repair, no mention of goodwill (didn't ask). Bill covered by third party warranty.

[Ultima]

I contacted Skoda CS who said the MK60 is still being used on the latest Octavia's. Anyone else asked them?

[Hauptmann]

Yes, the latest Octavias still appear to be using the MK60. The question is really whether the part which causes the early failure (the G201 thin-film pressure sensor) has been modified or upgraded. I would be very surprised if Continental-Teves (who supply the part to VAG and a number of other brands) haven't picked up on the problem and modified the part.

[Rhoobarb]

This is the reason mine is being reconditioned as opposed to new. Not worth taking the risk and costs just to reset the timer IMO

[Andrew S Wales]

Yes, the latest Octavias still appear to be using the MK60. The question is really whether the part which causes the early failure (the G201 thin-film pressure sensor) has been modified or upgraded. I would be very surprised if Continental-Teves (who supply the part to VAG and a number of other brands) haven't picked up on the problem and modified the part.

I asked whether the part had been changed/modified when mine was replaced in May this year. All the dealer was able to confirm was that "the part number had changed".

[Ultima]

Has anyone tried contacting Continental Teves to ask about whether a different part is now being used? I tried ringing a number in the UK but the guy I asked didn't know and said to contact Germany. I tried the German number but it didn't work.

I found all these numbers and e-mail address's (link below) for Germany but I found another UK number I'll try.

http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/automotive/hidden/adressdb/adressdbForm_en.html?siteId=1&typeIds=&continent=-1&countrycode=DE&city=city&cityname=&currentPageNo=1

Edited 10 November, 2010 by Ultima

[Rhoobarb]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/256666/auto_expresss_stop_the_service_secrets_campaign.html

Some topical reading and might help some, in particular read the comments at the bottom regarding the VW golf with the ESP fault

[Ultima]

Has anyone had the ESP failure on a recent FL Octy ?

[Hauptmann]

Has anyone had the ESP failure on a recent FL Octy ?

Bit too early yet. Failures seem to be time-dependent (rather than mileage dependent) and strike just out of warranty!

[Wulliexk8]

No. - User - Model - Registered month/year - Failure month / year - mileage at failure - skoda's response (goodwill)

01 - Scouter2 - Octavia Scout - Registered 04/07 - Fault 08/10 - 52,000 miles - 100% goodwill offered (eventually)

02 - darius - Octavia EleganceEstate - Registered 04/1995 (05 plate) - Failure 08 / 2010 - circa 44000 - Nothing (see comments post #3)

03 - pmc - octavia 4x4 estate - reg feb 05 - nov2009 - 50,000miles - ongoing (see post #6)

04 - Bluvrs2 Octavia vrs registered 2 October 2006 Fault Thurs 28 Jan mileage 27416 skoda £884.63 out of £1500 bill I paid 615.37

05 - Keekodog Octavia VRS Registed October 2006, Fault 03/09 - 32,000 miles, covered under warranty

06 - paulolourenco76 - Octavia Vrs tfsi - Reg 03 2006 - Fail 07 2009 - 25000miles - Goodwill due to loyalty, I Paid £294 ish

07 - Rhoobarb - Octi VRS - Reg Dec 2005 - Failure beginning of 2010 - 35k (ish) - Ongoing (see post #13)

08 - fikes75-octavia vrs- jan 2006-fail feb 2010- 24000 miles- 60% goodwill paid £394

09 - Andrew S Wales - Octavia VRS TFSI - reg May 06 - Failed May 10 - 36,000 miles - covered by Skoda Approved Used Car Warranty (thankfully!)

10- VRSbilly - Octavia VRS TFSI - reg Mar 06 - Failed Sep 10 - 12,600 miles - Cost me £600

11 - Daveclar-Octavia vRS CR TDi-Reg July 2008-Fault August 2010-16500- Week outside warranty. Parts and labour covered fully.

12 - Bev.Elliott - Octavia 4x4 - March 06 - July 2010 - 54,000. 35%.

13 - Steev - Octavia vRS 2.0T - Reg May 2007 - Fail Sep 2010 - 25,200 miles - 70% revised goodwill after threats of court action, I pay £363

14 - Niall - Octavia Scout 2.0PD - Reg May 07 - Fail Oct 2010 - 74,500 - 100% Goodwill

15 -Dan - Octavia VRS 2.0PD - Reg Jan 07 - Fail July 2010 - 28000 miles - Skoda Ireland coverered 80% after haggling and dealer half the labour = €372 to me

16- shorty - Octavia Sport 2.0PD - Reg Jul 06 - Fail Jun 2010 - 60000 miles - so far offered 35% goodwill, not accepted

17- Snowie-Octavia 4x4 TDi estate-Reg March 07-Fail Oct 2010-36000miles-Visit to Skoda dealer next week. Will let you know!!!!!!

18- gordonp46 -Octavia TDi estate L&K-Feb 06 reg-failed June 2010- mileage 60K-luckily I had extended the warranty after 3 yrs so did not have to pay (best value £300 I have spent!!)

19 - wulliexk8 - Octavia Scout - Reg Jan 08 - failed Oct 08 - mileage 30000 - repaired under warranty

Consider ourselves lucky to have the part fail within warranty - dealer said he was aware of it being a common problem and tols me that cars out of warranty would be fixed f.o.c. I did tell him that not everyone is getting the same response (and in our case he didn't have to prove it!). We also requested that we get some documentation to indicate that the woek has been done and the parts replaced.

Regards

Wull

[Champion]

No. - User - Model - Registered month/year - Failure month / year - mileage at failure - skoda's response (goodwill)

01 - Scouter2 - Octavia Scout - Registered 04/07 - Fault 08/10 - 52,000 miles - 100% goodwill offered (eventually)

02 - darius - Octavia EleganceEstate - Registered 04/1995 (05 plate) - Failure 08 / 2010 - circa 44000 - Nothing (see comments post #3)

03 - pmc - octavia 4x4 estate - reg feb 05 - nov2009 - 50,000miles - ongoing (see post #6)

04 - Bluvrs2 Octavia vrs registered 2 October 2006 Fault Thurs 28 Jan mileage 27416 skoda £884.63 out of £1500 bill I paid 615.37

05 - Keekodog Octavia VRS Registed October 2006, Fault 03/09 - 32,000 miles, covered under warranty

06 - paulolourenco76 - Octavia Vrs tfsi - Reg 03 2006 - Fail 07 2009 - 25000miles - Goodwill due to loyalty, I Paid £294 ish

07 - Rhoobarb - Octi VRS - Reg Dec 2005 - Failure beginning of 2010 - 35k (ish) - Ongoing (see post #13)

08 - fikes75-octavia vrs- jan 2006-fail feb 2010- 24000 miles- 60% goodwill paid £394

09 - Andrew S Wales - Octavia VRS TFSI - reg May 06 - Failed May 10 - 36,000 miles - covered by Skoda Approved Used Car Warranty (thankfully!)

10- VRSbilly - Octavia VRS TFSI - reg Mar 06 - Failed Sep 10 - 12,600 miles - Cost me £600

11 - Daveclar-Octavia vRS CR TDi-Reg July 2008-Fault August 2010-16500- Week outside warranty. Parts and labour covered fully.

12 - Bev.Elliott - Octavia 4x4 - March 06 - July 2010 - 54,000. 35%.

13 - Steev - Octavia vRS 2.0T - Reg May 2007 - Fail Sep 2010 - 25,200 miles - 70% revised goodwill after threats of court action, I pay £363

14 - Niall - Octavia Scout 2.0PD - Reg May 07 - Fail Oct 2010 - 74,500 - 100% Goodwill

15 -Dan - Octavia VRS 2.0PD - Reg Jan 07 - Fail July 2010 - 28000 miles - Skoda Ireland coverered 80% after haggling and dealer half the labour = €372 to me

16- shorty - Octavia Sport 2.0PD - Reg Jul 06 - Fail Jun 2010 - 60000 miles - so far offered 35% goodwill, not accepted

17- Snowie-Octavia 4x4 TDi estate-Reg March 07-Fail Oct 2010-36000miles-Visit to Skoda dealer next week. Will let you know!!!!!!

18- gordonp46 -Octavia TDi estate L&K-Feb 06 reg-failed June 2010- mileage 60K-luckily I had extended the warranty after 3 yrs so did not have to pay (best value £300 I have spent!!)

19 - wulliexk8 - Octavia Scout - Reg Jan 08 - failed Oct 08 - mileage 30000 - repaired under warranty

20 - Champion - Octavia sport 2.0PD - Reg Mar 06 - failed Oct 09 - 78000 - 30% goodwill I pay £850

Wifes 55plate 1 series BMW failed on the same part 2 weeks prior. Even though it was not supplied by a BMW dealer they still supplied the part free (an hour to make that offer on the phone on a Saturday morning) and only charged £275 to fit it. The Octavia was a dealer supplied used car with full Skoda service history and only 3 weeks out of the approved used warranty it took a further 2 weeks to get an offer of 30% that was "not negotiable" BBA REMAN said they would not exchange the part with the G201 fault so no choice but to pay really.

Regards

[des2]

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User - Model - Registered month/year - Failure month / year - mileage at failure - skoda's response (goodwill)

Des2 Mk2 2.0 Fsi 4x4 Est April 08 Jun2010 13k 100% Warranty

[xyster]

Xyster - Vrs tdi - 01/07 - 01/11 - 58k - awaiting response

Mine is an MOT failure on this part so really hoping for good response initially as cannot wait around for weeks!

[Auric Goldfinger]

Xyster - Vrs tdi - 01/07 - 01/11 - 58k - awaiting response

Mine is an MOT failure on this part so really hoping for good response initially as cannot wait around for weeks!

I'm not disputing the fact that your car has failed it's MOT because of this failure but the ESP can be turned off by the driver so I don't see how this can cause a MOT failure. You can drive with it on or off, the choice is yours

It's a bit like having a bald spare tyre in the boot which will fail an MOT but no spare wheel won't

[Hauptmann]

Xyster - Vrs tdi - 01/07 - 01/11 - 58k - awaiting response

Mine is an MOT failure on this part so really hoping for good response initially as cannot wait around for weeks!

Which warning light is on? ESP is not within the remit of the MoT at the moment.

[JohnMcL7]

Xyster has a separate topic on this, it seems that the garage read the fault codes from the car and decided that because the fault code showed an ABS sensor, they've failed it due to the ABS not working even though it's the ESP that's not available. At least that's the way I read it.

John