ive decided to trade-in the skoda on a new Honda. expected loss around 9k. I have only travelled 5000km in the skoda but have never managed to get past 900km without having to stop and put oil in it. as per usual the car has been booked into the dealership so they can 'try and fix the problem'.. I just don't trust the car anymore and a 3 year warranty is rubbish. The DSG could pop any moment. to much mucking about and more to come. no thanks. the car also has numerous rattles which drives me nuts! its time to call it a day. all the best with your cars fellas, skoda/vw just didn't work out for me. never again.

BTW - the vw group is getting absolutely hammered here in Australia regarding quality issues. there are articles every day in the major newspapers about how dangerous the cars are. the biggest complaint is about the cars sudden loss of power and the DSG...

this is a great site. all the best.

Hello mertdem,

Skoda is replacing oil guzzling twinchargers without any fuss now. Procedure is to oil test, change breather pipe. If oil usage persists do another oil usage test (if they want) and then change engine. Keep in mind that oil consumption test has nothing to do with dipping the stick! Oil has to be drained fully. Carefully measured 3.6ltrs of new oil added and new filter. A mileage driven, 300 miles or something. Then hot oil dropped and weighed to establish exactly the usage. sk4gw had a proedure somewhere I seem to remember...

My car drank 300 ml over say 15 laps of Bedford Autodrome plus 150 miles thare and back - I measured before and after with topping up. I will check next week Monday to see how much it used up during the week.

ive decided to trade-in the skoda on a new Honda. expected loss around 9k. I have only travelled 5000km in the skoda but have never managed to get past 900km without having to stop and put oil in it. as per usual the car has been booked into the dealership so they can 'try and fix the problem'.. I just don't trust the car anymore and a 3 year warranty is rubbish. The DSG could pop any moment. to much mucking about and more to come. no thanks. the car also has numerous rattles which drives me nuts! its time to call it a day. all the best with your cars fellas, skoda/vw just didn't work out for me. never again.

BTW - the vw group is getting absolutely hammered here in Australia regarding quality issues. there are articles every day in the major newspapers about how dangerous the cars are. the biggest complaint is about the cars sudden loss of power and the DSG...

this is a great site. all the best.

Sorry to hear that mate :(

As I said I've just done a track day in 100% OEM factory standard car and was blown away. Interestingly my friend driving Nissan 370Z roadster swapped with me for few laps and he was massively surprised how good (except brakes) the car was - the best time was only 3 sec slowr for Fabia MK2 vRS. Nissan has 3.7 NA motor pumping out circa 360 bhp and it is a sports car with suspension and tyres to boot. I must say I was rather chuffed .

ive decided to trade-in the skoda on a new Honda. expected loss around 9k. I have only travelled 5000km in the skoda but have never managed to get past 900km without having to stop and put oil in it. as per usual the car has been booked into the dealership so they can 'try and fix the problem'.. I just don't trust the car anymore and a 3 year warranty is rubbish. The DSG could pop any moment. to much mucking about and more to come. no thanks. the car also has numerous rattles which drives me nuts! its time to call it a day. all the best with your cars fellas, skoda/vw just didn't work out for me. never again.

BTW - the vw group is getting absolutely hammered here in Australia regarding quality issues. there are articles every day in the major newspapers about how dangerous the cars are. the biggest complaint is about the cars sudden loss of power and the DSG...

this is a great site. all the best.

I guess we stand to get better treatment from Skoda dealers here in the UK since there is probably much more experience of the problem. Once I realized I had an issue with oil consumption, everything progressed smoothly and without too much hassle. I got the breather fix done (no consumption test necessary) but it made no difference. All oil used for top ups over the whole period was paid for by the dealer. Then a consumption test was carried out followed quickly by a replacement engine. The dealership is on my way to work. They always had a courtesy car waiting for me so no loss of time or convenience. Skoda UK gave me a one year extension on the warranty. The replacement engine has only needed 500ml of oil over the first 3,500 miles.

I don't hear too many problems with DSG boxes on the vRS in the UK. There have been widespread DSG problems throughout Asia on VAG cars. Possibly down to differing quality between the factories in Europe and Asia.

The alternative warm/hot hatches on the market are too expensive compared to a Fabia vRS on a VAT free deal.

Edited 5 June, 201312 yr by Big Sheep

^^^ What he said

I open the bonnet, dip the oil cold,

and i know thats going to be at the top orange marker.

Then start the car engine and stop it again immediately.

I dip the Oil and its at the top of the Cross hatched area.

When checked as a hot engine it gives the same reading.

Top of the Cross hatch.

george

I can't understand the George method. If I dip the oil cold on my CTHE engine the level is about 2mm above the level when hot.

Are we talking same engine here George?

What's your take on this?

Tony

I dont have a CTHE engine i have a CAVE, but i have dipped CTHE ones with the correct amount of oil in,

and the oil is up the dip stick at about the bottom of the top orange marker with a cold unstarted engine.

(or even 2 mm higher when cold compared to a hot oil engine.)

& when hot and dipped it is at the correct level, the cross hatched area. (Area A as shown in a owners manual)

So are you asking about the 'Jabozumo way' of checking, that i now use.?

(Since it gives the same showing on the dipstick)

Try it, When you know you have the correct oil amount.

(It was discovered or first pointed out here by Jabazuma and since confirmed many times.)

'Start the engine and stop it and dip your oil.'

Check where it is now, without the oil even being hot, the engine dispersed the oil,

and you get the same level as a hot check.

*Or as people were finding and reporting on here in other circumstances,

they checked their oil and nothing showed on the stick.

george

Hi I'm new to this forum but have been reading it for a year now, I though I might share our experience. We bought our new vrs estate 2 yrs ago used(had 150 miles on clock) prev owned the old vrs diesel which was great but needed more space with the kids. About 6 months into ownership noticed using a lot of oil and over several months kept raising this with local dealer and skoda uk. Every time was told it was normal and within limit. Called Skoda uk again last June for someone to finally say they were aware of problem and we had to go into local dealership to have an oil consumption test done. We were told we could not top oil upeven if warning light came on and if that happens we would have to stop driving and get towed back! Anyway oil consumption failed and we had new breather mod done, after a few months still used oil so was told to have another test done, this failed and we had reconditioned engine put in, in January this year. 2 months ago we had a leak under gearbox took it in and was told we needed a new metotronkic (not sure on spelling) box fitted and would have to wait 6 to 8 weeks, car during this was at dealers and we were given hire car. in the end we waited a month and then got car back. now having checked oil usage the new!! Engine has made no difference. skoda uk have given as another year ext warranty and also after complaint re new metotronic box have given us another year but only on a new car either that or love to shop vouchers. we took the extra warranty as we have though about selling it, but why should we take a loss when car is faulty. Trouble is we didn't buy car from local garage and we have not had dealings with original dealer since buying car. Not sure what to do as I think skoda uk will ask for another consumption test and maybe another engine!! I'm not sure why we ere never offered replacement car as the amount of money the fixes on ours of cost would have paid for replacement. Will keep you posted

Hi I'm new to this forum but have been reading it for a year now, I though I might share our experience. We bought our new vrs estate 2 yrs ago used(had 150 miles on clock) prev owned the old vrs diesel which was great but needed more space with the kids. About 6 months into ownership noticed using a lot of oil and over several months kept raising this with local dealer and skoda uk. Every time was told it was normal and within limit. Called Skoda uk again last June for someone to finally say they were aware of problem and we had to go into local dealership to have an oil consumption test done. We were told we could not top oil upeven if warning light came on and if that happens we would have to stop driving and get towed back! Anyway oil consumption failed and we had new breather mod done, after a few months still used oil so was told to have another test done, this failed and we had reconditioned engine put in, in January this year. 2 months ago we had a leak under gearbox took it in and was told we needed a new metotronkic (not sure on spelling) box fitted and would have to wait 6 to 8 weeks, car during this was at dealers and we were given hire car. in the end we waited a month and then got car back. now having checked oil usage the new!! Engine has made no difference. skoda uk have given as another year ext warranty and also after complaint re new metotronic box have given us another year but only on a new car either that or love to shop vouchers. we took the extra warranty as we have though about selling it, but why should we take a loss when car is faulty. Trouble is we didn't buy car from local garage and we have not had dealings with original dealer since buying car. Not sure what to do as I think skoda uk will ask for another consumption test and maybe another engine!! I'm not sure why we ere never offered replacement car as the amount of money the fixes on ours of cost would have paid for replacement. Will keep you posted

damn you've had some bad luck:(

This much hassle goes clearly against consumer protection law which states that all those warranty repairs etc as far dealer having the right to do them were not supposed to cause the customer unreasonable hardship. I think you past the point of the situation being unreasonable and you'd be right in requesting a replacement car, fully functional one this time. I'd suggest local trading standards to be contacted first for advice. Armed with that (having described to TS in great detail your hardship) write to SUK and request a full refund or a new car.

I can't understand the George method. If I dip the oil cold on my CTHE engine the level is about 2mm above the level when hot.

Are we talking same engine here George?

What's your take on this?

Tony

I have just given the Jabozumo method a test.

I dipped the oil this morning after leaving it overnight and the level was near the top of the hatched area.

I drove the car from the garage and dipped the oil again and the level was at the bottom of the hatched area, which would have necessitated at least 0.5 litre top up.

The car was taken out on a journey and thoroughly warmed up and on returning and leaving for 5 mins dipped again and the oil was at the top of the hatched area, not requiring a top up.

If I had put at least 0.5 litre of oil in earlier, the sump could have been overfilled.

So my finding is that the Jabozumo method is severely flawed and I will continue to use the method, badly described in the manual.

Regards

Tony :think:

It looks like I am getting credit for something which is grossly misunderstood lol.

What you did Tony was exactly right ad my original finding was this.

1. Dip stone cold-oil level say top of hatched area

2. Turn the ignition, it runs for a moment, say 30sec, turn off and dip. Dipstick completely dry!!! Alarm, dump a tanker of oil into your engine! - Not!

3. Drive and take oil to near 90C. Stop, wait 15-20mins, dip, oil at the top of hatched area. No need to top up.

What it shows in point 2. is that the oil pump starts pressurising cold oil by picking lots of it from the sump but due to it being cold the pressure is much higher I.e. not much oil returned back to the sump hence dipstick completely dry. I think this is the reason why people are getting wrong oil level readings and overfill unnecessarily their motors with oil. It happened to me by accident as I wanted to check the oil cold but before that thought materialised I managed to turn the ignition. Still went on to dip and got that false reading. That is all.

As long as people are aware of how it works with oil pump and pressures then it's fine.

Hi all, slightly moving away from the current line of enquiry in this thread but, I've been asked to continue monitoring and topping mine up (CTHE now on 4700 miles and 6 litres of oil used) until it's first service, which is fine by me. Then they'll do the oil consumption check, if it does come back that it's using too much oil, what do you think is the next step with this new engine, surely it has the breather mod fitted already?

Regarding the oil consumption check, they've told me if it's ok they'll charge £75 for labour plus oil, I'm going to suggest to them that when it's in for the service, measure the exact oil in but leave the old filter on, I'll run it for however many miles needed (I'm going to do 2 tank fulls which is around 500 miles for my driving style), then I'll return it for measuring and the new oil filter. This way I think it should get me out of paying any labour and oil cost if it comes back that it's within regulation, 2 jobs in one, what are your opinions on that idea please?

I am happy with the car apart from cost of topping up oil, if someone buys me oil for the life of the car I'd be happy! :-)

It looks like I am getting credit for something which is grossly misunderstood lol.

Yep, I understand your explanation completely, but did not understand George's explanation; sorry George.

Tony

LOL,

Turn the engine on, turn the engine off sounds pretty simple.

See what the dipstick shows.

On the engines i have tried that gives the same reading as you get from doing a hot dip.

(oil at the same level, not no oil showing. But then that is when 3.6 litres of cold oil shows at the bottom of the top orange marker.)

It did not include anything in what i said about driving the car out of a garage.

george

Hi all, slightly moving away from the current line of enquiry in this thread but, I've been asked to continue monitoring and topping mine up (CTHE now on 4700 miles and 6 litres of oil used) until it's first service, which is fine by me. Then they'll do the oil consumption check, if it does come back that it's using too much oil, what do you think is the next step with this new engine, surely it has the breather mod fitted already?

Regarding the oil consumption check, they've told me if it's ok they'll charge £75 for labour plus oil, I'm going to suggest to them that when it's in for the service, measure the exact oil in but leave the old filter on, I'll run it for however many miles needed (I'm going to do 2 tank fulls which is around 500 miles for my driving style), then I'll return it for measuring and the new oil filter. This way I think it should get me out of paying any labour and oil cost if it comes back that it's within regulation, 2 jobs in one, what are your opinions on that idea please?

I am happy with the car apart from cost of topping up oil, if someone buys me oil for the life of the car I'd be happy! :-)

Oil Consumption Test you MUST NOT pay for, period. This is not your problem, simples.

They should also pay for the oil or sort it out instantly and not make you wait for next X-Mas - preposterous!

Tell them this is not on. They must do oil test now, you pay nothing, and change the engine straight away as breather fix is a gimmick, never worked so far... Do not let them hard ball you.

As Above.

Get the Oi Consumption test Approved by Skoda UK.

They are paying the Garage, not you.

New Oil and filter & the oil Weighed and Measured, then the Dynamic Test done and the Oil Dropped and Weighed/measured.

They can remove the new filter and get any oil from that if they like.

Its a test to see if the vehicle needs a Warranty Repair, not for your pleasure.

george

I think we need a heavy hitter to accompany vrs owners so they are not bull****

That can be organized mate

Apparently this guy is available

Hi All

Attempted to trade the fabia in today on a new Honda civic hatch but they only offered me 13k for the skoda. I bought the car new 4 months ago for 28k. That's more than a 50 per cent loss in 4 months. They said the skoda is too hard to sell in Australia and no dealers want it.

I have no choice but to persist with skoda and the engine replacement. I actually love the car, but the problems get me down. It looks great after a wash and the colour is hot. BTW the Honda drove like a slug! lol

I am all over the place with this car. not sure what to do lol

By the Court Case in Australia over the other Twin Charger with High Oil usage, i would have thought that it is a case of Skoda (Volkswagen Audi Group)

taking the car in and having the proper Investigation & repair work carried out.

Having read the Court Case, it appeared to hinge on VAG & a question of the owner not giving the Company the full chance to do the right thing. (they said in Court as the Defence against the action being taken.)

So look at that Court Case, copy it,

forward to Skoda Australia and say, do your duty & lets get my car Performing as to Manufacturers Spec.

You know what is required, and if after Investigation that is a new engine, get on with it.

george

Hi All

Attempted to trade the fabia in today on a new Honda civic hatch but they only offered me 13k for the skoda. I bought the car new 4 months ago for 28k. That's more than a 50 per cent loss in 4 months. They said the skoda is too hard to sell in Australia and no dealers want it.

I have no choice but to persist with skoda and the engine replacement. I actually love the car, but the problems get me down. It looks great after a wash and the colour is hot. BTW the Honda drove like a slug! lol

I am all over the place with this car. not sure what to do lol

That's awful 50% loss in value ! Take it to litigation or threaten them, but as George says vw are on a looser in Australia as they are going to be hung and quartered by the Aussie courts , and well done them !

Apparently this guy is available

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