Reporting a best ever quarters is easy.

Get some fleet deals lined up replacing ones that you supplied 2 years earlier, bump up Sales with extra vehicles sold to Mobility Finance, 

and then get cars out to Dealerships & Pre Registered, then a few hundred Management Cars,  job done.

 

Skoda UK selling all their models are still selling less than half the amount of vehicles in the UK than Ford sell with just Fiestas.

 

So easy to kid the media and use percentage increases.

Alasadair Stewart Brand Director did it from 2010 to early 2016.

I like 

http://howmanyleft.co.uk

just to see what was happening in the last quarters with models being discontinued, 

Fabia Mk2vRS / Polo GTI 1.4 TSI etc etc,  how many were 'First Registered' in a Quarter.

 

Sadly there seems to be some issues for me using 'Howmanyleft'.

?

Is it just me, and is the site working for others, last quarter 2015, first quarter 2016 ?

Merc's new 'clean' diesel

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/B4FF21F7D04C7ED9CA257FC3001D8838

http://m.rte.ie/news/2016/0607/793926-volkswagen-castlebar-court/

Well theres at least onecourt case over it all here...

Merc's new 'clean' diesel

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/B4FF21F7D04C7ED9CA257FC3001D8838

 

Merc released the technical specs a while back. Depending on output a combination of pre and post cats, double SCR chambers, DPF and a ECU controlled multiple EGR setup. Around £2000-£2500 worth of emission systems + the cost of adblue.

 

Makes petrol and/or hybrid even more tempting for me.

 

Lee

^^^^ it's surely a dead end and just a matter time.

It's easy to blame VW for the diesel mess, but I'm also blaming the EU Standards bodies and Governments for participating but being ineffective. Everything works in Committee and on paper, all parties signed up, but fails to achieve objectives when implemented. Now we hear they want to consider increasing vehicle or fuel duties and limiting access to some cities after their mis managed process and make us pay. This is another nail to forcing down diesel car resale prices.

 

Should I vote to remain in the EU or vote to leave?

It's easy to blame VW for the diesel mess, but I'm also blaming the EU Standards bodies and Governments for participating but being ineffective. Everything works in Committee and on paper, all parties signed up, but fails to achieve objectives when implemented. Now we hear they want to consider increasing vehicle or fuel duties and limiting access to some cities after their mis managed process and make us pay. This is another nail to forcing down diesel car resale prices.

Should I vote to remain in the EU or vote to leave?

Leave. Without a shadow of a doubt

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If anything was really to force down Diesel passenger cars resale prices it will be manufacturers finance deals (pyramid selling) 

on new cars.

Any reduction in the resale value of diesel cars should lead to lots of wonderful bargains on used diesel cars.

Huge losses to Manufacturers Finance arms that are the owners and ultimately the sellers of diesel cars.

 

If a private owner that has a diesel and never enters a city or does only seldom then they might as well keep that economical 

car if they are going to lose loads by selling it.

At last 'SKODA'

Some actions taking place even if it is 'Could be', Might Be'.

http://autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/skoda-could-face-dieselgate-prosecution

Lets see what we see, and lets look like we are doing something...

How can they prosecute skoda when its vw sotware and engine??

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Because Skoda CZ submit vehicles for testing and give the results to the authorities.

Parent company might be the Volkswagen Group but Skoda is a Company.

 

Which is why VW, Audi & Seat often have the same engines, drivetrains and heavier cars yet lower Co2 Emission figures, 

and better MPG's / performance etc.

As they were caught out with Euro 6 Irregularities just this year.

http://autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/vw-emissions-scandal-nine-vw-vehicles-have-false-co2-ratings

VW submitting different or better results, as did Audi, as did SEAT.   All just errors obviously, not cheating.

Edited 9 June, 20169 yr by GoneOffSKi

Correct. The Contract when you buy your car is between you and Skoda and the requirement to fix or compensate is also with Skoda. But Skoda built their cars using dodgy engines from VW. So you litigate against Skoda and they in turn litigate against VW, even though they are in bed together in the VAG group.

my school friend who lives in Germany got sw updatd in in his 2.0 Audi. He has asked explicitly what will be consequences of sw update. The said NONE.

His subjective opinion is that car runs beeter, but he has heard that average consumption will be affected with +0.5L/100km.

my school friend who lives in Germany got sw updatd in in his 2.0 Audi. He has asked explicitly what will be consequences of sw update. The said NONE.

His subjective opinion is that car runs beeter, but he has heard that average consumption will be affected with +0.5L/100km.

 

If the combustion is to run cooler to produce less NOX then it slightly higher fuel consumption would likely be a consequence.

 

0.5 litre per 100 kilometer is only less than a mile per gallon and it reduces the NOX by up to nine fold and in my view number plate recognition should only allow these updated cars Emission Zones as in London without financial penalty.

Please show your working on that calculation for 0.5l/100km. I think that's not right, and would depend on where you start from.

re post 914,

Many cars have software updates during servicing, and some owners report poorer economy.

 

Was the Audi in Germany in for the recently approved ''Fix' to remove the Defeat Device Software?

If the combustion is to run cooler to produce less NOX then it slightly higher fuel consumption would likely be a consequence.

 

0.5 litre per 100 kilometer is only less than a mile per gallon and it reduces the NOX by up to nine fold and in my view number plate recognition should only allow these updated cars Emission Zones as in London without financial penalty.

 

What about financial penalties for GM and Merc units when ambient temp is below 10 degrees because some of their engines have no emission control below 10 degrees.

 

Or financial penalties for some Fiat engines if they've been running for more than 22 minutes.

 

Or any other diesel engine that already exceeds the on road NOx emissions of VAG's cheat engines.

 

Lee

Please show your working on that calculation for 0.5l/100km. I think that's not right, and would depend on where you start from.

 

https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-fuelconsumption-from-lper100km-to-mpgimperial.html?val=7.5

 

Yeah think you are right.  

 

For example 7 litres per 100 km is  40.4 mpg

 

and if it was the full 0.5 litre/100 km worse case scenario, that would be:- 

 

7.5 litre/100 km ie 7.5 litres/100 km is 37.7 mpg so 2.7 mpg worse case scenario mentioned so maybe 1 to 2 mpg for many post software update owners. 

 

Kind of significant but entirely plausible if one is looking at lower the combustion enough to prevent siginifcant NOX being produced and therefore moving away from stoichiometric ideal which can mean more HCs to deal with.  SCR is surely the properly solution as new VAG and Merc etc engines are coming out with and software tweak and even the flow alignment device before the MAF are sticking plasters for a fundamental design flow of these engines to meet emission standard in real world, rather than lab conditions.      

Edited 13 June, 20169 yr by lol-lol

tfor me, 0.5 l / 100 km = 10% of cnsumption incresement. Average consumption drops from 54 MPG to 50 MPG. It is not negligible!

What about financial penalties for GM and Merc units when ambient temp is below 10 degrees because some of their engines have no emission control below 10 degrees.

Or financial penalties for some Fiat engines if they've been running for more than 22 minutes.

Or any other diesel engine that already exceeds the on road NOx emissions of VAG's cheat engines.

Lee

 

Renault have already addresses this on the Captur by tweaking the emission systems to click in at a lower temperature but all these things have there own consequences.

 

The flaw appear so fundamental with most light diesel engines without SCR in regard to NOX,  Stop start can make it worse of course.

 

London and other similar cities to lead the way and restrict all such engines from the urban areas. Done for heavy diesels, even hybrids to loose their exception from low emission zone in a couple weeks, and only full electric, fuel cell vehicles etc to get the exemption.

 

Needs a retrospective adaption for SCR or a scrappage scheme.       

5L/100k- 5.5L/100k is a full 5mpg worse, and a much more realistic basis for a modern turbodiesel. (As evidenced above from our man in Austria)

Edited 12 June, 20169 yr by Wino

Here I am

http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/detail/674334.html

Edited 12 June, 20169 yr by ppejic

There is no approved fix yet for 1.6TDI CR's is there.

 

Any reduction in fuel economy would surely end up with the VW Group having to issue Fuel Cards or compensation to owners of cars having the Defeat Device removal.

tfor me, 0.5 l / 100 km = 10% of consumption incresement. Average consumption drops from 54 MPG to 50 MPG. It is not negligible!

 

Diesel  1 Euro a litre in Austria, 1.1 Euro a litre for petrol ?

 

Therefore worse case additional cost 50/55 cents per 100 Km

 

so if you did 20,000 km in a year - 100 Euros ?

 

Small price to pay for much cleaner air for many.

 

Austrian government, like many European mainland countries, need to make the tax on diesel the same as petrol to encourage less diesel and more petrol usage.

 

Solution could use the Logan more and produce a lot less NOX, I get 55 mpg from my Logan and it carries as much as the Octy Mk 2 could carry.