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Started Changing my headlight bulbs to LEDs to save my battery and help with fuel consumption, looking at Lithium-ion battery reducing the bike and cars weight by several kilos. 

 

 

LED headlight bulbs are only legal when they are OE fitted in lamp units designed to use them. Chinese led hacks grafted on to H series tungsten holders used in existing reflectors designed for tungsten do not have the same tightly controlled beam at the sides, which is needed when you have more light.

 

Lithium ion batteries cannot work directly with their 'native' cell voltage in cars designed around a 12-14 volt lead acid battery and charging system. They have to build in electronics inside the battery and special charge control to make the lithium battery appear like the lead acid battery it is replacing. More to go wrong!

 

A much better idea is sell the gas/diesel car, buy an electric car and lobby for more nuke power stations!

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LED headlight bulbs are only legal when they are OE fitted in lamp units designed to use them. Chinese led hacks grafted on to H series tungsten holders used in existing reflectors designed for tungsten do not have the same tightly controlled beam at the sides, which is needed when you have more light.

Lithium ion batteries cannot work directly with their 'native' cell voltage in cars designed around a 12-14 volt lead acid battery and charging system. They have to build in electronics inside the battery and special charge control to make the lithium battery appear like the lead acid battery it is replacing. More to go wrong!

A much better idea is sell the gas/diesel car, buy an electric car and lobby for more nuke power stations!

 

It is for the motorbike which has a couple of headlights plus two side lights at the front, bit overkill for a bike I think, but the amperage draw seems to impair its starting. Bikes's electrical/electronics system not too clever though I did have to change the flasher unit when I changed the indicators to LED.  Not sure the cars would get too upset but might give it a go and see what they are like.

 

Lithium ion batteries liked for like repalcement are made with the gubbins to perform like the lead-acid they replace. Don't really mind the car batteries being lead acid, weight does not make that much difference.  Dacia Logan is light and the front and the Jaag's battery is in the back so good as for any weight being in the right place.

 

Lighter batteries, low lighting usage, less emissions.

 

I am very pro nuclear stations in combination with renewable and hydro-electric storage.  Company I work for both do the logistics for much of the European electric car production and produce our own electric cars which we are rolling out for staff usage.  Car has a range of 250 kms but usually uses 3 phase charging at very high amperage and not sure if it can use a system like Renault's Chameleon charger but would love to have one though Tilbury and Glasgow are currently out of range currently.  Aberdeen and all other European offices I sadly fly though I would like to do the Paris run where we have several thousand of our e-cars running around.      

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It seems like the big truck engine manufacturers were first with a 'cheat device'

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1104139_these-engineers-uncovered-the-vw-diesel-emission-scandal

 

I think we need to keep restating that the VW cheat actually detected that it was on a rolling road for testing ie the rear wheels we static, and then it diployed the alternative mapping to cheat the emissions test.  It is a different matter when other manufacturers have software than brings in, reduces or even shuts off certain emission altering software sub routine which just happen to give the best possible test results in the lab for the emissions certification.

 

Renault has altered some of its software and hardware to make the emissions better at not just the lab parameters of normal lab temperature but real lower ambient temperatures so its emission modifying system kick in at these lower temperatures.

 

In the UK we do not allow large diesel engines to enter the London lower emissions zone unless they are cleaner spec and this looks likely to apply to light diesels ie cars and small van, within the next 3 years and this may roll out to other cities like Birminham which has over 500 premature deaths against London's over 10,000 per year but still significant.    

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Always follow the electric bikes race at the TT on the Isle of Man at it is a barometer of just how far electric vehicle ie getting something like 5% better every year, compared to the petrol engined vehicles which are improving less than 1% per year, the gap is closing.

 

VAT needs reducing on electric bikes and cars to 5% or 0 to cut the cost gap and speed up the move to electric and maybe put up on cars with CO2 over 100 gm/km or NOX over 50 mg/km to a 25% super rate to ensure enought tax collection to start paying down the UK £1.6T and growing national debt.

 

Always look at the lightweight racing too.  The twin cylinder bikes (650s) are also stunning fast and much more effcieint and the average road car need to reduce the number of cylinders to improve emissions and fuel consumption.  Come on SV650s hoepfully with the new 2016 SV engine.

 

4 cylinders should be consigned to history, 3 should be the current norm and 2 and even 1 cylinder for city cars, superminis etc IMO.

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Bubble cars started out there.

Many City Cars are still too heavy now,

you can have 4 seaters that work in and out of cities but use lighter materials and still have a decent safety cell.

Bubble cars started out there.

Many City Cars are still too heavy now,

you can have 4 seaters that work in and out of cities but use lighter materials and still have a decent safety cell.

 

We run hundreds of these in Paris and are starting to use these in London.  Hoping for a drive in one soon.

 

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The Bolloré Bluecar is a small four-seat, three-door electric car supplied by Bolloré, designed by Pininfarina and manufactured by Cecomp in Bairo, Italy, under a joint venture owned by Bolloré and Pininfarina called Vehicule Électriques Pininfarina Bolloré (VEPB). The car has a 30kWh lithium polymer (LMP) battery, coupled to a supercapacitor, that provides an electric range of 250 km (160 mi) in urban use, and a maximum speed of 130 km/h (81 mph).[1][2]

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Expect they could get a 55hp MotoGP 250cc single cylinder engine in there.  Four times the power, that could be fun.

Volkswagen would rather spend Billions of borrowed money looking for a solution to 'Personal Mobility', buying Apps etc, 

filling the Press with stories of technological advances and the solution was staring them in the face.

 

Not sure how the uncovered wheels are OK in Germany, but then EU rules seem to just apply to other countries 

and Germany does as it likes with Vehicles, Type Approval, testing and road legal registrations?

After all they make the rules, or tell those that do what they can allow or not.

 

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It needs to be the 43/47 KwHr, or even better, to be optimum not just 7 or even 22.

 

Need to just drive in to a parking stop, like a petrol station forecourt or fast food parking bay, and get quarter or half the charge in a few minutes.

 

We use supercapacitor as well as LMP batteries in our electric cars but not sure how that works as a percentage of electrical power stored at any one time, presumably like the Toyota Le Man series hybrid but need to find out more. Capacitors can presumably take power much faster working a bit like L1 and L2 cache of a processor. 

So back to this thread and the VW Defeat Devices discovered back in September 2015 or actually before that.

 

No change, nothing different in the EU / UK as it comes up to June 2016.

Euro 5 Emission Cars and Light Commercial with TDI Engines are as they were last year and the years before that.

No 'Fix' done, no appointments for the 'Fix' to be done.

'As you were'!

VW winning back trust with new honesty and decoys if you search using keywords VW.

 

Interesting video and also to see the share value at 240 down to 120 as the story hit the headlines.

As the media reports the 20% fall in VW profits they say that since the cheat was admitted in the US, 1.2 million cars have been recalled in the UK.

 

There might have been letters sent out but where is the kidology coming from that anything more than that has happened.

Are jounalists not catching on that 'No actions have been taken' in the UK /EU or any place else.

 

Websites to check if your car is affected, letters to registered keepers, but not 1.2 Million fixes or bookings made for fixes.

As the media reports the 20% fall in VW profits they say that since the cheat was admitted in the US, 1.2 million cars have been recalled in the UK.

 

There might have been letters sent out but where is the kidology coming from that anything more than that has happened.

Are jounalists not catching on that 'No actions have been taken' in the UK /EU or any place else.

 

Websites to check if your car is affected, letters to registered keepers, but not 1.2 Million fixes or bookings made for fixes.

Spot on. The media have purported the myth that cars have been recalled. Is this just lax journalism or are they in the pocket of VAG?

Do they really have a fix that works? 

 

If you end up with software cheating, somebody must have tested the engines without the cheat, discussed the results over meetings and decided there was no economic design solution or one giving power, performance and fuel efficiency comparable to competitors. Programmers don't just do things off their own initiative. A whole team of people would be involved. There would have been tests using a reference engine, software changes and more tests, until the reference type engine and software performed according to their objective specifications. Somebody must have realized they couldn't achieve the result they wanted during the engine development process.  Backed into a corner, cheating might have been seen as the only way out?

 

We are where we are and the truth is exposed. Practical solutions will probably be hard to find. If it was that easy, VW would not have left it this long to do something they could have done in the engine lab during development. The problem for us will be working out what will be traded away to achieve emissions compliance on our cars.

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^ Spot on.

Volkswagen should maybe just get even more honest then and say we could not achieve better in 2006 or 2007 and went with cheating 

and that is all we can really do.

Any fixes we said we could do on 1.2, 1.6 or 20 litre Euro 5 TDI's are just really kidology so fine us in the EU and other world regions.

That's fine except Governments are in the way with vested trade and taxation interests. Selling cars isn't just about profit for VW and Jobs for workers. Every car sold earns governments loads of tax at the point of sale and over the lifetime of ownership. Car manufacturers are 'wealth creators'. Many German car companies were encouraged to involve former soviet block countries in manufacturing. Nobody was really worrying too much about emissions tests and what we (they) have now is a lot better than a Trabant!

 

That's the dichotomy of interests - Eco save the planet activists on the one hand and governments wanting wealth and job creation on the other. At the moment the latter is the biggest winner, which is why we say little about aircraft fuel usage (compared to cars) and their pollution.

Just received the following update from Slater and Gordon solicitors on the cheating gits.

Good Afternoon,

VW have confirmed that just 50,000 diesel cars in Europe have been fixed so far out of a total of 8.5m affected (which is only 0.5%). The numbers of cars in the UK which have been fixed is unclear, but assuming it’s at the same rate as wider Europe, we estimate that number to be only 6,000.

It is clear that VW will not fulfil their promise of having all cars fixed during the course of 2016, meaning that a lot of VW owners will need to wait until 2017 to have their cars corrected.

So far the KBA, the German motor regulator, has approved the fixes for the VW Golf and Amarok as well as the Audi A4 and A5.

The current hold up is due to apparent difficulties with the KBA in approving the fix for the 2.0 litre VW Passat which is having knock on effects to other models.

We shall keep you updated as to the progress of the recalls once we have further information.

Kind regards,

Jacqueline Young

Head of Group Litigation

Slater and Gordon

As the media reports the 20% fall in VW profits they say that since the cheat was admitted in the US, 1.2 million cars have been recalled in the UK.

 

 

 

But at the same time Skoda reported their best ever quarter in their history.

 

So it looks like VAG trying to keep this in the Media as the "VW" scandal is paying off.

 

Lee

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