The UK seems to be ‘go’ for electric -

https://reneweconomy.com.au/rapid-rise-of-uk-electric-vehicles-sees-national-grid-double-its-2040-forecast-73212/

1 hour ago, Ryeman said:

The UK seems to be ‘go’ for electric -

https://reneweconomy.com.au/rapid-rise-of-uk-electric-vehicles-sees-national-grid-double-its-2040-forecast-73212/

Not that there's the least bit of speculation in that, despite the assumptions that:-

1. people will switch to this "smart" charging model.
2. no-one will be left unable to make a planned journey as a result of a "smart" charger draining their battery based on a normal use case that wasn't overidden
3. their latest guess about the takeup rate is correct
4. any additional generating plant required will magically appear.

Bottom line - Please engage brain before reading any more pro-EV propaganda sites.

11 hours ago, wyx087 said:

It's always easy to criticise.

 

Criticise a new product for not appealing to a specific use-case outside of its intended market (or its contractual requirement) is like saying desktop computers are not portable enough, or complain that the Ford GT can't drive off-road. Akin to saying the smart phone has not enough battery life for week long camping trip.

 

No one is forcing your local logging company to use that concept logging truck. If it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit. It's like no one is forcing anyone to forego ICE cars. The 2040 ban is on non-hybrid ICE cars. The likes of Outlander PHEV and Golf GTE are still likely to be sold, albeit newer version with more EV range. Fossil fuel will still be sold, you can choose to depend on them if your use-case require.

(I personally hope parallel hybrid like above two will also get the ban, but it'll be unlikely)

 

 

Sorry but its not even made for the basic version of transporting logs from a flat plain trail in a forest to a near by mill.....

 

To do that it has to have tie down eyes. anchor points as the load has to be strapped down for security other wise it will shift dangerously...It also has to have tyre pressure inflation/deflation systems to drop the tyre pressures down to spread the load to cause less damage to the forest trails...this has been a requirement in UK & EU for a while & even in other countries as it means you get more grip on the forest trails & can then re-inflate to high pressure when the truck gets on a main tarmac'd road, so then fuel efficiency is improved...also I have never seen a two "U" bunk...most are three or four "U".....not only that they are not height adjustable & nor do they appear to be  adjustable on the length of the bunk...

 

 

The other glaringly obvious design flaw is that I have never seen & cannot find images of a single short chassis which is not designed to work without a trailer. In UK & EU where we have some of the shortest logging trucks (Road rules)...so basically it will require to do 2 journeys to carry the same load as a current ICE lorry...doubling the traffic & wear on the forest roads.....NOT eco friendly as there is a huge raft or rules etc & forms on the weights & traffic on forest roads due to their fragile nature...which is why they have tyre pressure reducing/inflation systems also...

 

IF the designers had taken an existing logging truck, ripped off the cab & engine & fitted their EV stuff & autonomous stuff etc then I would believe...but instead they have built something which does not even take into account the very basic requirements of any timber hauling jobs from the forest stacks!...total FAIL!!...

 

 

& Yes people like Dyson who has built huge farms with autonomous tractors etc...his look at first glance like a true tractor..ie up to the job & correct spec & just look like a conventional tractor with just the cab removed....

 

 

& what you forget it that Government policy is being made on the back of all this marketing BS & hype & we are in danger of not being able to have ICE & only EV........& the EV can't do the jobs that the ICE vehicles could be easy......

 

PS First principles of any design is design for the requirements of the job, task, environment, client, rules, country specific regulations................& that EV logging truck fails on soo may points & just stating "It's always easy to criticise." is detrimental to freedom of speech & getting the truth out there.....so that EV can't meet basic current known about requirements so I am not allowed to point these facts ??? so just let the marketing BS & hype rule over everything else & forget the facts??...makes you worse than VW & diesel gate..............

Edited 13 July, 20187 yr by fabdavrav

3 hours ago, Offski said:

People are always working on developing the vehicles of the future, so eventually things come to pass.

They get into production if they work and make economic sense. 

 GPS controlled electric vehicles are working fields now doing research work,

they are really quite small but bigger versions are being trialled in Scotland and elsewhere.

 

 

 

The time will come when diesel or petrol / gas generators are not needed onboard to charge the power packs.

 

 

 

Yes but those have been designed for the job...& are based on existing well proven designs.....look the part, are upto the correct full spec to do the job....infact are just a everyday tractor etc...but will EV/etc stuff added...that EV logging truck is a total design fail & is not based on any current proven design etc...

 

 

PS take a look at Dysons autonomous tractors & huge experimental farms......do a job properly......

 

& have a look at this autonomous tractor...looks like a proper tractor, correct spec & requirement...

 

https://www.ireviews.com/news/2017/03/27/autonomous-tractors-farming

 

4 hours ago, wyx087 said:

It's always easy to criticise.

 

Criticise a new product for not appealing to a specific use-case outside of its intended market (or its contractual requirement)

No excrement Sheerluck!!

 

It's even easier to criticise when you have a base level understanding of the use case that the designers say their CG is designed to target, and they don't. The number of ways this pretty picture fails to meet the use case they stated it was designed for is now in double figures.

fabdavrav,

You were lucky to not be hitting it up the road the night this driver never secured his "U".

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-42758801 

 

I have looked at the tractors and other plant and machinery and seen it operating without the drivers input.

UK issue will be how fields come to rights of ways and public highways or just close and this is going to be an issue for a long time when you are talking very large vehicles, but just the same as with Platooning HGV's on the public highway.

 

Much more advances in technology required, and GPS, Internet, Mobile Phone, Radio Transmission security and even coverage.

http://earthrover.cc 

 

Edited 13 July, 20187 yr by Offski

16 minutes ago, Offski said:

fabdavrav,

You were lucky to not be hitting it up the road the night this driver never secured his "U".

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-42758801 

 

 

 

That's a big chunk of very strong metal.....& yes I remember hearing that on the news....

 

back on the EV Logging lorry........the manufactures state 120miles on a single charge & 16t load........

 

 

Now I know most trucks will carry & do/can carry more than that on the front section....& then you have the problem of carrying less timber if the load is wet or is more dense.....most trucks have their own weight level scale built into the suspension systems...

 

It would have been have easier to take an existing logging truck, rip the cab & engine out & fit their electric in....but NO like most of the current marketing BS hype around EV it has to be flashy design...forget practicality's...what's that??...look at the EV status & eco stuff & go read the whole website of marketing BS on the manufactures website where they "Claim" it is "built for tough & harsh environments"....

 

LOL...face palm...it'll get stuck so easy & ground out...infact the site foreman would refuse to allow it onto the forest trails in its current design state....as its too dangerous (not talking about the driverless aspect)...& its about as useful as a chocolate teapot....

We will see the pea viners and other vehicles high up & with others with tall narrow tyres & tracked vehicles working fields & self driving soon enough, and also electric driven.

Edited 13 July, 20187 yr by Offski

Racing improves the breed  -

http://www.autonews.com/article/20180713/OEM05/180719884/ev-batteries-of-the-future-hit-the-track?cciid=email-autonews-daily

E-transportation for towns and cities & in the countryside.

VW Group just need to get on with producing products they were saying they were going to, easy transported electric bikes to fit in their passenger cars.

The tech is advancing.

 

23 minutes ago, Offski said:

E-transportation for towns and cities & in the countryside.

I wouldn't fancy riding a bike down many of the single track lanes in Devon & Cornwall - they're not a lot wider than a car with tall hedges/banks and the locals drive like demons down them so on a bike you would have nowhere to "escape" to avoid a crash.

 

So towns and cities and some wider roads in the countryside but not all.

Not unique roads really.  If you do not fancy it then don't do it, leave it to those that do.

Plenty cyclists live to an old age riding back lanes.

4 hours ago, Offski said:

Not unique roads really.  If you do not fancy it then don't do it, leave it to those that do.

Plenty cyclists live to an old age riding back lanes.

You would be happy cycling along these roads then I assume?

Roads near Delabole

Done near 3,000 miles cycling in the past 12 months on roads where boy and girl racers are plentiful.

Plenty bends and blind corners, dips, walls and dangerously narrow, but then the cars / speeders need to be able to see those that drive like them coming towards them or sheep / deer on roads, as well as cyclists and walkers.

 

Car drivers crashing into tractors and Lorries etc usually come off worst.

?

Are there many pedestrians dying down your way on these narrow roads?

 

 

Edited 16 July, 20187 yr by Offski

15 hours ago, Offski said:

Are there many pedestrians dying down your way on these narrow roads?

Some near misses, but most people just don't walk or cycle down the lanes because the risk is unacceptable to them - not just me 

There you go then, people will have to stick to their cars then, maybe even EV's for these long and winding back roads and holiday makers and others wanting to cycle can use the trails being maintained at what will not an inconsiderable expense.

http://traveldevon.info/cycle/cycle-routes/cycle-trails 

http://visitcornwall.com/about-cornwall/cycle-trails 

Edited 16 July, 20187 yr by Offski

36 minutes ago, Offski said:

maybe even EV's for these long and winding back roads

In the absence of EVs with decent range and insufficient charging points that's not an option either - as has been discussed in this thread at length.

 

It's an unpleasant (for some) reality that EVs are not a short term option in many (most?) rural areas, long term with sufficient infrastructure and advances in battery technology very likely, but in the interim it will have to be hybrids I suspect.

 

BTW bikes aren't even a long term option for those people living in rural areas with restricted mobility due to injury, bad luck or age - some form of "motorised box" will always be their only option due to the lack of public transport.

 

In making the move away from ICEs we have to take into account the whole system of personal transport in all areas of the country and make sure it doesn't create a new group of excluded people by focussing only on what meets the needs of those who are fit & healthy or live in populated areas. It's not an easy problem to solve, but solve it we must - and not by burying our heads in the sand to ignore the inconvenient difficulties.

There must be many driving big cars & half the seats unoccupied & with diesel and petrol engines that never go more than 80 miles a day leaving from home or in their local area, 

or even people that have more than one car in the household with one for local use and maybe never gets taken very far from home or work.

There will always be people that stick with what they have or know, or just wait and not be early adopters.

 

Horses for courses then obviously.

Don't get what you don't want or need or is any use for your requirements.

 

Plenty sea side towns & tourist filled towns congested with traffic can have deliveries in the towns carried out with EV's or even Electric Cargo Bikes, and will be having that done obviously.

 

Taxi Companies, Hospital Transport and NHS / Local Authorities can run EV's for certain areas when they bother to look into it and make any infrastructure changes required if any are needed.

There are Local Authorities that have already done that, and NHS and Utility companies, and service companies.

 

As to disabled and cycling, each to their own or what they can do or want to do.

I have only one leg.

Electric assistance with cycling can be a life changer, just as Electric Wheel chairs and buggies can be.

 

 

 

Edited 16 July, 20187 yr by Offski

Competition for Tesla coming soon -

http://europe.autonews.com/article/20180712/COPY/307129941/daimler-bmw-vw-evs-will-catch-tesla-soon-study-finds?cciid=email-ane-daily

Tesla's boss, Mr Musk, has a very nasty side to his character.

 

Apparently he offered a mini-sub to help rescue that Thai football group trapped deep underground. When one of the Brit divers said it was impractical and just a PR stunt, Musk called him a "pedo". It's all on Twitter.

 

Nice chap.

28 minutes ago, MikeHig said:

Tesla's boss, Mr Musk, has a very nasty side to his character.

 

Apparently he offered a mini-sub to help rescue that Thai football group trapped deep underground. When one of the Brit divers said it was impractical and just a PR stunt, Musk called him a "pedo". It's all on Twitter.

 

Nice chap.

 

Yes I know I started a new thread on this....Tesla Boss calls British cave diver a "pedo"

 

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/452797-tesla-boss-elon-musk-calls-britsh-cave-diver-a-pedo/

 

 

Edited 16 July, 20187 yr by fabdavrav

I seem to recall something about the dive team accepting any assistance he might be able to provide but time ran out for the supply of his device let alone proper assessment.

I’m not sure if we have all the facts.

Crudely telling someone where they can jam it, is somewhat indicative of a less than professional attitude also.

17 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

I seem to recall something about the dive team accepting any assistance he might be able to provide but time ran out for the supply of his device let alone proper assessment.

I’m not sure if we have all the facts.

Crudely telling someone where they can jam it, is somewhat indicative of a less than professional attitude also.

 

No the item was delivered on time & was there & so was Musk..he even posted up video from inside one of the entry caves......just that the sub was way too big & was too long & want bend so its impossible to manoeuvre around the tight bends etc......& basically he & his sub got in the way of the real people actually doing real work..

 

Go look at my thread which I have started on this...I have also linked to the CNN video of their interview of the British diver where he tells them that Musk can stick his sub where it hurts...in response to the CNN question of "what do you think of Elon musk sub?"....

 

 

Sorry but Musk suffers from a big ego & a small Richard..."look at me & worship me & everything I do is awesome".....& the British cave divers just do the job..no fuss..& know way more than Musk & his lot on this subject....& Musks response is a typical from that sort of arrogant person....turn nasty & personal & trash the opposition in public...

40 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

telling someone where they can jam it, is somewhat indicative of a less than professional attitude

A curious thing to accuse someone who's a hobbyist, even in an exotic field like cave diving, of.

Story i read was he offered any assistance from his facilities including mining experts, then transported them to the location.

The Space & Technology Experts mocked up an inflatable version of the 'survival vehicle' to see if of any use, and produced what they could.

In other applications it might well be of use.

As would the inflatable tunnel might be in the future.