8 hours ago, Ryeman said:

I like to see the servicing schedule for an EV to see how the dealership justifies the maintenance of its service division profit margins.  A painfully long list of “check” s and “inspect” s I imagine......not a lot of oil and filters or brake pads.

 

Those pollen filters don't change themselves and get quite expensive with a 1000% margin on them !|

 

 

Just now, lol-lol said:

 

Those pollen filters don't change themselves and get quite expensive with a 1000% margin on them !|

 

 

Yeah, and way too difficult to do yourself.

At least with Nissan they give you 12 months breakdown recovery every time you have car ‘serviced’. 

 

Still a a rip off for what amounts to a visual checkup 

Skoda Servicing is a Visual Check and the Oil & Filter changed, maybe the other filters depending on if a technician bothers or even checks, all the rest is at extra cost.

http://skoda.co.uk/finance-and-offers/service-and-maintenance/simply-fixed 

An Expensive Free Wash & Vacuum that can take longer than the Inspection part of the service.

Lots of “fixed price servicing” basically means locked into financially underwriting the dealership.  It enables uncompetitive business behaviour rather than doing you any favours.

It’s a con which is advertised as a benefit.

9 hours ago, Ryeman said:

I like to see the servicing schedule for an EV to see how the dealership justifies the maintenance of its service division profit margins.  A painfully long list of “check” s and “inspect” s I imagine......not a lot of oil and filters or brake pads.

 

Pretty much every full electric car still has a conventional braking system...very few of the promised motor in wheel designs have actually made it to full scale production....

 

e-Golf servicing for hot/dusty environs....

 

VAG Official Service VI9, BEV, Dusty, Hot.pdf

1 minute ago, fabdavrav said:

 

Pretty much every full electric car still has a conventional braking system...very few of the promised motor in wheel designs have actually made it to full scale production....

 

e-Golf servicing for hot/dusty environs....

 

VAG Official Service VI9, BEV, Dusty, Hot.pdf

Ah, yes they’ll find a way .

They regenerative braking would see my pads die of old age.  The brake pedal is purely for emergencies IMO.

1 minute ago, Ryeman said:

Ah, yes they’ll find a way .

They regenerative braking would see my pads die of old age.  The brake pedal is purely for emergencies IMO.

 

Then there are the numerous cooling systems which need checking....& that's getting worse with bigger more powerful batteries/motor/quick charging....& you still have conventional steering arms & suspension which all needs checking......& all the high voltage cables need checking for wear/security...& of course you never need to check those...yeah right go speak to BMW  owners whose cars lost all power due to loose connections at the bulkhead area...

 

& the gearbox oil still needs checking every so often on some....as you still have a gearbox..

 

EV is not a case of "oh look no servicing"....still need to be done, but it will be virtually impossible for a home mechanic to do......have you seen all the specialist HV protective equipment you need??...

All it takes is a crème egg to fubar a charging point:-

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-44561039

 

 

& thats it your stuffed, if you can't drive to the next village... tow truck call out.....

Edited 9 July, 20187 yr by fabdavrav

2 hours ago, fabdavrav said:

All it takes is a crème egg to fubar a charging point:-

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-44561039

 

 

& thats it your stuffed, if you can't drive to the next village... tow truck call out.....

How is that different to a petrol stations with only 1 nozzle had been vandalised?

 

It's early days with EV, public charging infrastructure is still at its infancy.

 

Though I don't understand why they quoted 20min and 10 hours, when the photo shows a 7kW Type 2 charging post, same as home chargers.

8 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

How is that different to a petrol stations with only 1 nozzle had been vandalised?

 

It's early days with EV, public charging infrastructure is still at its infancy.

 

Though I don't understand why they quoted 20min and 10 hours, when the photo shows a 7kW Type 2 charging post, same as home chargers.

 

Petrol stations are less likely to be vandalised as much as most have staff.....& most have at least two nozzles for every type of fuel...

 

That's the problem these public charging points..I personally wouldn't leave my car there charging..I'd sit in the car as IMHO it's akin to putting the petrol hose & locking the trigger on & walking away....I just don't trust people or the "pumps"....

 

& as there is already cost charging for electric ...& I see a future there will be electric filing stations......much like we have today with petrol stations....

7 minutes ago, fabdavrav said:

& as there is already cost charging for electric ...& I see a future there will be electric filing stations......much like we have today with petrol stations....

Not at a local level and will not be functionally the same as petrol stations.

 

Charging are supposed to be done (slowly) at workplace/home.

http://www.nextgreencar.com/news/8443/plans-for-new-homes-offices-and-lampposts-to-get-ev-charge-points/

 

Only place need banks of really rapid chargers like petrol stations are along trunk roads.

From Bloomberg - power fm the lamp post:

http://europe.autonews.com/article/20180709/ANE/180709769/uk-plans-investment-boost-for-ev-charging-infrastructure?cciid=email-ane-daily

Edited 9 July, 20187 yr by Ryeman

19 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Not at a local level and will not be functionally the same as petrol stations.

 

Charging are supposed to be done (slowly) at workplace/home.

http://www.nextgreencar.com/news/8443/plans-for-new-homes-offices-and-lampposts-to-get-ev-charge-points/

 

Only place need banks of really rapid chargers like petrol stations are along trunk roads.

 

Not just to charge ones own EV but to pickup an EV for hire or drop off.  The companies that embrace this will make an incredible business ie selling drinks and foods at the same time as well.

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/roads-update-the-zero-emission-road-transport-strategy 

 

Written statement to Parliament

Roads update: the zero emission road transport strategy

Outlines the government's Road to Zero Strategy and explains what is being done to make road transport cleaner and greener.

Published 9 July 2018

From:

Department for Transport, Office for Low Emission Vehicles, and The Rt Hon Chris Grayling MP

 

As set out in the government’s NO2 plan, https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/air-quality-plan-for-nitrogen-dioxide-no2-in-uk-2017 

we will end the sale of new conventional petrol and diesel cars and vans............... 

 

oday we are announcing our intention that all new homes, where appropriate, should have a chargepoint available. We plan to consult as soon as possible on introducing a requirement for chargepoint infrastructure for new dwellings in England. We will look at how to achieve this in the most cost effective way, mindful of the government’s housing supply objectives. We also want all new street lighting columns to include charging points, ............

 

..........Battery prices are coming down and we are committed to keeping in place our plug-in car and van grants until at least 2020. The tax system also favours ultra low and particularly zero emission vehicles over conventional ones.

 

Helping us achieve our goals of cleaner air, a better environment, zero emission vehicles, a strong clean economy.

 

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Not at a local level and will not be functionally the same as petrol stations.

 

Charging are supposed to be done (slowly) at workplace/home.

http://www.nextgreencar.com/news/8443/plans-for-new-homes-offices-and-lampposts-to-get-ev-charge-points/

 

Only place need banks of really rapid chargers like petrol stations are along trunk roads.

 

So what about the rural communities then & tourists visiting them??....You got to have the charging station in all the villages etc much like the current petrol station distribution.....infact more than the petrol station distribution as there are quite a few long distance journeys in Scotland up here there petrol stations are few & far between & an EV has no hope in hell....

 

I did a 73mile each way (146mile total) over the A939 which has several steep descents...& more importantly..several very steep climbs...in hot weather..so air con on, & the EV or  ICE cooling systems strained.....personally only top end Tesla with biggest battery can comfortably do what my ICE car can ..which weights quite abit less...& its an estate!....

 

EV is fine in cities & big conurbations but not practical for single car families up here.....especially you do outdoor sports like I do & need to travel.....

 

Its far better to electrify all the trains, city busses, city trucks etc...but the Gov don't want to upset the haulage industry...so tax & punish the individual person.....& BTW Chinas pollution far outstrips anything good /bad indifferent that the whole of the EU can do...so unless both China & other such places (india etc) sort themselves out there is no point in making goody twos shoes martyrs of ourselves....to the detriment of being able to travel as freely as we currently do...

 

& I'll never be able to have EV until the mains cables in the road are dug up & bigger ones laid.  (I covered the inability of the current mains cable/substations to cope with every house having a charging point numerous posts back)..& until the conservation area status is lifted (no solar panels)........so what do you there then???.... & I ain't in the only area like this in the UK....

 

I'll stick with running lean burn petrol engine using top grade fuels....as I was taught by my step father (who was a consultant heat transfer engineer)....& who hated diesels as they use poor grade fuel & a bad "burn/combustion process" compared to petrol.....mind you the same can be said for people who fit a wood burning stove & think they are being eco friendly....& then they go burn wet wood & never burn at the correct higher temps.....I have a wood burning stove..."clean air" cert ratified, pre-heat & re-burns, (double glazed glass to improve burn), correctly dried out wood, & get it to the higher temps, so my emission are only just visible & I get hardly any tarring of the chimney so I don't have to get cleaned out as often as other people....

 

To get the least pollutants in any combustions process, you need top grade fuel & heat & complete combustion process which burns virtually everything in the ignition/burn phase..then you have very little by-products to deal with afterwards....& this is why petrol will always win over diesel & engineers have known this..

 

oh & Nissan has admitted that they have been fudging their test results for decades......

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44763905

 

EV & the appropriate charging & battery infrastructure has decades yet to develop to get anywhere near how we use the iCE car.....& forcing upon us especially in rural communities is going to fail..as I see the timescales as too short....

Just as well there is space out of the Ski Season for Chargers and Parking at the highest points at the Lecht & Glenshee and the Aberdeenshire council have the planning controls and the ground is available at the roadside, and the turbines can be on the hills within 1 km. 

Solar Farms as well and who can complain as the sides of the hills are covered in Ski Lift pylons.

 

Already Hydro Generation could be supplying the generation to supplement the Wind or Sun generation.

 

It all just needs doing and less bumping gums about.

More roadside parking at safe places is needed anyway, good view points and passing places. 

The Scottish Government & Local Authorities and the UK Government just need the Electricity Generators to get into building hard standings and chargers and not just mile on mile of tracks / roads around turbines in Scotland.

The Equipment is available, and the employees or contractors.

 

These can sit next to the Snow Factory units just near the Cafe's,  & on the A9 as well where many already stop a while.

http://theenergyst.com/capball-10mw-battery-storage-solar 

Solar developers get green light for 10MW battery storage scheme in Perthshire _ theenergyst.com.mhtml

 

Lots more development needed though to get Electric Vehicles with the range and for under £20,000 & no kidology with ICE 'generators'.

& Petrol Hybrids.

 

Edited 9 July, 20187 yr by Offski

1 hour ago, Offski said:

 

 

Wonder why they haven't yet done a similar article entitled "My day as a taxi driver in the Highlands of Scotland in the taxi of tomorrow" 

Edited 9 July, 20187 yr by SWBoy

No Taxi Licence and not living in the Highlands of Scotland probably something to do with it.

3 hours ago, Offski said:

Just as well there is space out of the Ski Season for Chargers and Parking at the highest points at the Lecht & Glenshee and the Aberdeenshire council have the planning controls and the ground is available at the roadside, and the turbines can be on the hills within 1 km. 

Solar Farms as well and who can complain as the sides of the hills are covered in Ski Lift pylons.

 

Already Hydro Generation could be supplying the generation to supplement the Wind or Sun generation.

 

It all just needs doing and less bumping gums about.

More roadside parking at safe places is needed anyway, good view points and passing places. 

The Scottish Government & Local Authorities and the UK Government just need the Electricity Generators to get into building hard standings and chargers and not just mile on mile of tracks / roads around turbines in Scotland.

The Equipment is available, and the employees or contractors.

 

 

 

Unfortunately you forget that the local Authority only owns a small strip of land either side of the road so to put the "ground is available at the roadside, and the turbines can be on the hills within 1 km."...has to be at the OK & compensation of the land owners....& that's usually Forestry commission or estates...& most of the estates want the land artificially altered to suit shooting of animals...for "sport"...

 

TBH I have been saying for decades that solar needs to be put on all the big existing roofs which are south facing...& guess what Scotland has masses....WHERE???......all those bonded warehouses for whiskey........hundreds of acres of suitable roofing......let alone supermarkets, other warehouses, shopping malls etc.....no need to use "virgin" soil & ruin the landscape even more...

Actually the ground is rented for the car parks, and as far as Estates selling land or giving use for a income that is as it is now.

Glenshee Chairlift Company looked in the past for all year work for staff and opened a Golf Course near Alyth Years back.

The Lecht as the Mountain Bike Track.

Business is business and tourism is rather important to business people.   Maybe sometimes some councillors forget that, but seldom are they successful business people.

Some are Solicitors and are rather good at Property Deals....

 

Scottish Land Owners can earn £250,000 a year per turbine.

 

PS

My Uncles Company built some of these distilleries that were extended or moderniosed, and the Bonds, then my cousin took over, now his sons.

Building new ones now and visitor centres.

http://banffshire-journal.co.uk/Banff/Builders-dram-fine-work-5403.htm 

 

There are community wind farms like at Boyndie where the Kart Race Track is. 

Communities should be able to get something from having Wind Turbines in their community & not just the expensive tariffs North of Perth.

http://boyndie.coop 

http://grampiankartclub.com 

 

http://capx.co/the-scottish-wind-power-racket 

 

Wind turbines bring in 'risk-free' millions for rich landowners _ Environment _ The Guardian.mhtml

Landowners '£1 billion wind farm boom' - Telegraph.mhtml

Edited 9 July, 20187 yr by Offski

20 minutes ago, Offski said:

 

 

Scottish Land Owners can earn £250,000 a year per turbine.

 

PS

My Uncles Company built many of these distilleries that were extended, and the Bonds, then my cousin took over, now his sons.

Building new ones now and visitor centres.

http://banffshire-journal.co.uk/Banff/Builders-dram-fine-work-5403.htm 

 

There are community wind farms like at Boyndie where the Kart Race Track is.

http://boyndie.coop 

 

http://capx.co/the-scottish-wind-power-racket 

 

Wind turbines bring in 'risk-free' millions for rich landowners _ Environment _ The Guardian.mhtml

Landowners '£1 billion wind farm boom' - Telegraph.mhtml

 

 

Wind turbines in the long term are total white elephants....it has been proven that they do not produce the claimed amount of power..I see many around here which don't turn due to a high pressure in the depths of winter...& then they have to lock them in a "Y" when the wind gets too high as they can't feather the blades....

 

& then there is the good old 25yrs-30yrs life time & they are done....so is the flipping huge concrete pad/foundation.....can't be reused due to stress fractures etc...so that piece of ground which was natural is now manmade concrete....for ever....unless you go dig it up...at what cost?

 

PS all those electric points in remote areas still need grid connection & running big cables up top the letch/glenshee/CGM is very costly....just ask Glenshee as they have just run small (by comparison) to new electric motors for the ski tows...

 

 

in the future.....So a ski resort in the depths of winter on a busy day...& there's hundreds or cars & at least 50% EV & even if you say 50% need a charge, so 25% of the total...that's quite a few charging point which need to be dug out of the snow...which can be easy 4ft deep at CGM carpark......or lecht....

 

Masses of infrastructure problems I foresee...& these need to be resolved before you push people into EV as you want to ban ICE....

There you go then,

while Lord Nicol Stephen, family and cronies,&  David Cameron's wife's relatives bring in billions the communities have to whistle.

 

PS

I have been going to Glenshee since there was a Ski Centre built at Mar Lodge then equipment moved to Glenshee.

Just not going there in recent years very much.

 

Worth a visit.

http://scottishpower.co.uk/whitelee 

http://scottishpower.co.uk/whitelee/outdoor-pursuits 

Edited 9 July, 20187 yr by Offski

24 minutes ago, Offski said:

 

Worth a visit.

http://scottishpower.co.uk/whitelee 

http://scottishpower.co.uk/whitelee/outdoor-pursuits 

 

I'll give that a miss...have driven past it many times.....don't like the idea of getting hit on the head with ice in winter when it falls off the blades.......which is why there are warnings about x-country ski-ing near the windfarm at the Clash which is the main x-country place south of Huntly....

 

& I don't like seeing too many dead birds from blade strike.......

 

& in a few decades they will have to rip out as they will suffering "fatigue"...so the only thing they can do at a push is concrete the "crane" gravel base pads between the "old" turbine concrete pads & get another 25-30yrs.....& then that's the site ruined & concreted & unusable.....

 

Like I say wind turbines are big white elephants....in the long term...

 

EDIT:-

Masses of news in wind turbine sector mags on "re-powering" old turbines...& I was generous...its 10-20yrs current design & long term is 30-40yrs with a re-use...& mostly its the foundations which fail as you would expect

 

https://www.windpowermonthly.com/article/1456033/three-steps-turbine-repowering

 

 

Edited 9 July, 20187 yr by fabdavrav

I have family working now in New Mexico on the turbines.  Funny how well they do there.

Pattern to build and connect 1GW New Mexico wind farm _ Windpower Monthly.mhtml

 

PS

No need to tell me where Clash is or the likes, again i was going years ago, i did grow up in the area and have family around the region including Huntly. Keith. Dufftown.

Edited 9 July, 20187 yr by Offski