1.5 SEL first gear issue.

[Poul]

On 05/03/2020 at 17:03, IonutJohnny said:

 

I have also a Skoda Octavia 1.5 TSI Manual and it was patched with the update from october, if I'm not wrong.

 

It does not kangaroo as frequently as before but the 'roo' is still there. The second gear rpm flat spot was apparently removed.

However, it is losing power if I accelerate and release the clutch in the same time when in 1st gear, and if I release only the clutch, the car leaves (with a bit acceleration of the system) with no problems...thing which I found so weird, it is opposite from a normal's car behaviour (like the program line codes are inversed).

This thing is still dangerous in roundabouts, and intersections from my point of view..

Is anyone here still having this problem?

I have the same car, same history and experiences the same as you. At least if you by the current loss of power doesn't mean total loss of power but more if a third foot is twitching a few times on the brake making it accelerate a bit uneven. This especially shows also when trying to drive slowly in 1st gear and adjust the gas a bit either up or down. 

[sheep-master]

On the other topic I have just read, that DPCA motor have improvement of cylinder head.

Could be this improvement connestion with kangaroo fix older DADA engine? 🤔

[kifir]

3 minutes ago, sheep-master said:

On the other topic I have just read, that DPCA motor have improvement of cylinder head.

Could be this improvement connestion with kangaroo fix older DADA engine? 🤔

It seems to me this question will remain unanswered. 
As well as the problems of the kangaroo, which no one is going to solve...

[MJ1]

2 hours ago, kifir said:

It seems to me this question will remain unanswered. 
As well as the problems of the kangaroo, which no one is going to solve...

 

I think they have solved it but you need the new engine...

 

🙄

 

The ones that know will be employed by VWG and would lose their jobs if they said what the root problem is....

[kifir]

On 23/03/2020 at 18:06, MJ1 said:

 

I think they have solved it but you need the new engine...

 

🙄

 

looks like... but very interesting, if it hard problem (f.e. engine), why jerking not all the time, and why after update (few days) car was perfect. It seems to me they reset some «adaptation parameters». And very strange why in some countries like Ukraine or Poland, people whit the same engine don’t know about kangaroo?! 🤔

 

What you think about cheap tuning?! 
like I write in another topic:

On 20/03/2020 at 18:29, kifir said:

 Some Polish studios already have chip tuning for our engine. 
I wrote to them asking if they knew a kangaroo.  They said they had never heard of it.  It seems that in Poland there is no kangaroo at all, as well as in Ukraine (I wonder how the cars there differ from ours).

 

Very interesting how tuning the firmware will affect the kangaroo.  Whether it kills the kangaroo forever, or nothing changes.

I would love to experience this, but they are too far from Finland 😞
It seems they have an office in Germany.  Are there any kangaroo owners from Germany?

 

[MJ1]

Hi my background is in getting projects completed and how to make people and organisations work together to achieve changes.

 

I have very minimal knowledge of everything mechanical.  Humans are far more difficult at getting them to achieve managed change...

 

Knowing how organisations behave I think we can say if it was fixable at a reasonable cost they would have rolled it out. I just think we have bought on the bleeding edge of technology and our fingers (wallets) have suffered.

 

My car works, it gets me from A to B, but I have a niggling thought at some stage it will stop doing that sooner than it should due to these design issues.  I  bought it thinking I could keep it for many years of trouble free motoring.  I am now looking at what I do before the 3 year warranty is finished...

[MJ1]

Kifir if it was me I  would have rejected car, but in your situation now if it is a big issue sell it and buy something else or the new design. I really don't think there is a fix that Skoda will be releasing, hope I am wrong but my gut tells me they are moving on and as a business it is not worth it to them....

 

🙄

[kifir]

26 minutes ago, MJ1 said:

Kifir if it was me I  would have rejected car, but in your situation now if it is a big issue sell it and buy something else or the new design. I really don't think there is a fix that Skoda will be releasing, hope I am wrong but my gut tells me they are moving on and as a business it is not worth it to them....

 

🙄

I have already 21000km, and 1,5years driving on this car. 
after selling, in this moment I will lost 8000-9000e. I think this is not fair.
 

Moreover, few people buy a car that does not behave adequately.:(

[MJ1]

Hi Kifir, as I have a bit of time on my hands can I try and pass on some thoughts. These are not meant to insult but to offer perhaps a different perspective that you might find helpful, if not like any good Englishman i apologises ahead...

 

Your car works it gets you from A to B so you are getting value from it. Perhaps not the full value we would expect from Skoda but let's say 80%, I could argue you are getting more than 80% but it fits into a generic model called the 80/20 rule.

 

Your car is what's known as a Depreciator and depending on make / model will go down in value. Once you handed over the money you have to accept that potentially you have lost it all. Of course we hope our shiny new metal boxes have some inherent value but ultimately they will become worthless.  Unless it is some rare limited design classic.

 

😏

 

Which some how I don't think the Skoda will become in my lifetime.

 

So your choice is at what time do your realise any value left in your car?

 

At what time does it become more costly to run than choosing another vehicle or mode of transport?

 

At what point do you stop getting 80% benefit?

 

The car works for its primary purpose, you have already lost that money, life is rarely fair, you choose when you want to move on....

 

At some stage that car will be worthless maybe it is better to obtain something for it before it reaches zero?

 

If you do find the answer to the kangaroo then please let us know...

 

🙂

 

As an aside the cheese is moving in car ownership and in the UK we will be pushed into buying electric or hybrids and that will be upon us sooner than we think. More bleeding edges... Joy!

 

 

[MASKO]

1 hour ago, kifir said:

I have already 21000km, and 1,5years driving on this car. 
after selling, in this moment I will lost 8000-9000e. I think this is not fair.
 

Moreover, few people buy a car that does not behave adequately.:(

Kifir, I sympathize with your situation and having been reading with interest your posts over past months I really hoped you would find a solution. 

 

It seems that you have explored numerous ideas without finding anything that will likely rectify the kangarooing with your car. I understand my car has the same engine as yours? And it's the same one used in other VAG cars. Mine does not kangaroo or hesitate and from what I understand nor do the majority of other VAG cars with that engine. Nevertheless, there are a significant number that do. From what I have read some of these have been fixed by updated software, others have been "improved" by that software but there remains a number, like yours, that remain flawed.

 

It seems that you will not get any further help from Skoda so I think that you are right in seeking technical assistance from other sources. In the UK we have many independent specialist motor vehicle engineers who could potentially provide a fix for your car. Presumably you also have them in Finland? If it were me, I'd arrange for the car to have appropriate diagnostic checks with a view to ascertaining what is causing the problem and what is likely fix, with costs. You can then choose to have the necessary remedial work carried out, or perhaps use the independent engineer's report as a basis to discuss/negotiate with Skoda? I expect such an approach would be dependent on how confident the engineer would be in identifying the problem/s and the costs of diagnosis and subsequent repair/modification.

[Ootohere]

VW are the biggest car manufacturer in thew world and know exactly what the issue is that they have introduced to get the WLTP / RDE on the affected cars.

They can not apply the Remap that could sort the issue as the cars would not have the vehicles retested and meet the figures that were achieved with WLTP testing.

[kifir]

1 minute ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

VW are the biggest car manufacturer in thew world and know exactly what the issue is that they have introduced to get the WLTP / RDE on the affected cars.

They can not apply the Remap that could sort the issue as the cars would not have the vehicles retested and meet the figures that were achieved with WLTP testing.

The main question is how exactly does the ECU try to correct emissions. 
If this is just some parameter, such as fuel injection, that means chip tuning will fix the problem.

[MASKO]

10 hours ago, kifir said:

The main question is how exactly does the ECU try to correct emissions. 
If this is just some parameter, such as fuel injection, that means chip tuning will fix the problem.

 

I suspect you are more likely to get reliable answers to your questions from reputable independent specialist motor engineers, than the majority of well meaning subscribers to forums.

[silver1011]

If there's one thing I've learnt after 113 pages, it's never buy a newly launched VAG engine, especially so close to recently introduced stringent emissions standards (WLTP).

 

Give it a couple of years, let all of the niggles get ironed out and then take the plunge.

 

The 1.5 TSI's predecessor, the 1.4 TSI, is a peach of an engine, well proven and it's being reintroduced in Skoda's latest iV hybrids.

 

Welcome back!

[xman]

1 hour ago, silver1011 said:

If there's one thing I've learnt after 113 pages, it's never buy a newly launched VAG engine, especially so close to recently introduced stringent emissions standards (WLTP).

 

Give it a couple of years, let all of the niggles get ironed out and then take the plunge.

 

The 1.5 TSI's predecessor, the 1.4 TSI, is a peach of an engine, well proven and it's being reintroduced in Skoda's latest iV hybrids.

 

Welcome back!

 

Never be an early adopter of a VAG new design if you intend to keep it beyond the warranty period.

 

Look at EA111 1.2tsi/1.4tsi - took over 3-4 years to address chain problems and even simple plug lead protection. 

 

Look at EA888 - took 3 generations to fix basic design errors, now in totally unknown gen 3b version.

 

Look at CAVE/CTHE engines - or rather not, forget them.

 

Lots of let's try this fix and that fix along the way which don't do anything, deny there is a problem.

 

I have my doubts whether the 1.5tsi will ever be fixed properly, they've got to the "its good enough that only x% complain". Especially as 90% of purchases are PCP/lease.

 

Lots and lots of used under two year old 1.5tsi cars on Autotrader. Would I risk buying someone else's reject?

 

1.0tsi looks reasonably good now, however early ones had cam phasers that leaked oil onto the cambelts.

 

Maybe safer to stick to run out models if buying a keeper?

 

 

[MJ1]

4 minutes ago, xman said:

I have my doubts whether the 1.5tsi will ever be fixed properly, they've got to the "its good enough that only x% complain". Especially as 90% of purchases are PCP/lease.

 

Lots and lots of used under two year old 1.5tsi cars on Autotrader. Would I risk buying someone else's reject?

 

1.0tsi looks reasonably good now, however early ones had cam phasers that leaked oil onto the cambelts.

 

Maybe safer to stick to run out models if buying a keeper?

 

 

 

I think I have reached the same conclusion. As I am in process of retiring I really wanted a keeper but not sure I have one. I paid out right and the warranty finishes August next year..

 

What did you mean about "run out models"?

 

I would be keen to hear suggestions for a DSG model that is proven as I have become attached to not having to that and the ACC that comes with it...

 

[xman]

10 minutes ago, MJ1 said:

 

I think I have reached the same conclusion. As I am in process of retiring I really wanted a keeper but not sure I have one. I paid out right and the warranty finishes August next year..

 

What did you mean about "run out models"?

 

I would be keen to hear suggestions for a DSG model that is proven as I have become attached to not having to that and the ACC that comes with it...

 

 

Run out models are those about to be replaced by a totally new design. They generally have the advantages of

 

Proven and sorted design (except imo 1.5tsi or DQ200 DSG)

 

Cheaper than the new replacement model and sometimes loaded with free extras.

 

E.g. octavia mk3 is in a run out. No more being made now, to be replaced by Mk4 by end of year.

 

I wouldn't buy any DSG personally for various reasons.

 

General advice here is avoid the DQ200 7 speed dry clutch box found in all the lower engined models. Unless you have it covered by an eternal warranty.

 

Wet clutch DSGs seem far more reliable, but require to be serviced regularly.

[MJ1]

Thanks XMan that makes sense.

 

I have tried to get my head around the DSG debate in the past and will revisit the issue.

 

I do find it very easy and getting into my wife's manual Leon I get caught out after nearly 2 years with a DSG. Previous to that I have always had Manual Octi's

 

Wife really likes the height and comfort of the Karoq so I might struggle getting her back into an Octi...

 

I guess the worse risk with a DSG is a failure outside warranty and around a £2k bill to replace?

 

A friend has used external Warranty before but I am not sure they would pay out so I need to do some research and see what is available...

 

Cheers

[bigjohn]

6 hours ago, xman said:

 

Run out models are those about to be replaced by a totally new design. They generally have the advantages of

 

Proven and sorted design

 

 

I'm with you on that - I alway try to pick run-out models of cars as any model-life revisions will have been implemented. There can be some design issues that are never solvabe though (eg On the Superb mk I - all of them can/will leak water from the front plenun chamber).

The best model of the mkI Octavia was about 2003 (or possibly the taxi version up to 2006!) and the best models of the mkII Octavia was about 2012. My current car is a 2014 Superb II - the new model was introduced in 2015 - thus far fault free in 86k miles(touching wood as I type)

Edited 28 March, 2020 by bigjohn

[croquemonsieur]

For similar reasons, I like to wait until a car has been in production a few years.  I got my Karoq end of July last year - 2 years after introduction, though really wanting to wait another 2 and then buy an SE but with lots of Tech extras.

 

Tried a 4WD 2 litre diesel DSG with 19" wheels & lots of kit, maybe 18 months ago to see if car felt too big after the easy to drive Yeti & found it almost as handy - encouraging.  However not much difference in the ride / road noise department either & I was really looking for a substantial improvement here, so decided next step was to take my time trying models with smaller wheels & higher profile tyres.

 

Gap of one year, pulled my finger out early July 2019 & tried an SE (17") - very nice too & was made aware the 1.0 DSG was very soon going out of production - so began to panic.  2 days later a closer local garage had a 1.0 SEL DSG (18") so had a go, but a bit disappointed with road noise + didn't want leather seats, KESSY, nor virtual dash, although I had now satisfied myself the 1.0 DSG was plenty responsive with a more than decent performance.

 

I told the pleasant salesman I wasn't overly impressed with that SEL (maybe tyres were over inflated, an issue unaware of then) and said I wanted the car with smaller driving wheels, but as much driver assistance tech as possible.  He found the last SE Tech 1.0 DSG to ever come into the country, brand new already waiting in the docks, but in an expensive red metallic finish - would have preferred a cheaper white.   This was £8000-9000 more than a clutch of ex-demonstrator SE DSGs available at the time, so ummd and ahhd for 15mins, then signed on the dotted line.

 

Not sorry - very much appreciate the extras built in over a standard SE - wasn't aware of the 1.5 issues, but the 'achieving more with less' aspect of the 1.0 is still appealing.  Nor did I know there were still DSG probs - my 1.2 Yeti DSG had been fine over 4 years.  Glad to read here since, that there are few issues with my engine / transmission combo - so far at least, as Root reminds us now & again.  Better economy & quieter than I could have hoped for & trouble free so far at almost 6000 miles, save for sticking fuel filler door and noisy wiper blades (cleaned screen with an old lemon recently - wipers much quieter when used once only since, hardly rained since, so jury's out - got 2 Bosch sets ready & waiting for the medium term).  Stiil really enjoy driving the car, at least I did until 10 days ago...

 

A hybrid Karoq would be nice next, with electric drive to wheels rather than mechanical - much simpler - and maybe using a Miller cycle version of the 1.0, battery assisted of course, making it maybe a shade faster overall than my present car.

 

 

[golfhp]

I own Golf 1.5 tsi 110kw 2020 year.

I have a „kangaroo“ problem with my 1.5 tsi since first day when engine is cold. It durings about 2 minutes after engin start every day. My engine is MY20 and engine code is DPCA  110kw (two months old). Software version is 9596 and part no 05E906018AS. It seems they didnt sort this problem yet.

I also notice vibration during 2-cylinders mod, expecialy between 1400-1700 rpm. Turbo lag is present also.

I went to a car sevice and they negate (deny) this problems. In spite of that i asked them about update and they said that there is not any update for my engine.

I am very disapointed with this engine. 

I read new article:  https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/new-cars/2020-03/volkswagen-announces-fix-for-15-tsi-engine-hesitation-issues/   but author of this article is not specified about which engines (versions of 1.5tsi) are coverd with update which he mentioned. What is the version of the software he was writing about? Is it a new fix or the same software update from end of 2019?

[kifir]

17 hours ago, golfhp said:

but author of this article is not specified about which engines (versions of 1.5tsi) are coverd with update which he mentioned. What is the version of the software he was writing about? Is it a new fix or the same software update from end of 2019?

This article has already been discussed.  This is a complete lie.
They don’t have any new updates and seems to me they stop trying fix it.

 

VAG fu**ed us.  (sorry for the words, but it's true)

[silver1011]

It seems you'll either have a 'good' 1.5 TSI, or a 'bad' 1.5 TSI. It's completely random.

 

It is also becoming apparent that Skoda / VAG are aware that the issues are likely to be a design fault, and one that is going to be expensive / time consuming to fix.

 

There are potentially good ones out there, so an extended test drive before buying is essential.

 

Interesting how Skoda are using the old discontinued 1.4 TSI in their latest hybrids instead of their 'flagship' 1.5 TSI.

[StEdmund]

17 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

It seems you'll either have a 'good' 1.5 TSI, or a 'bad' 1.5 TSI. It's completely random.

 

 

That's certainly the picture that I see. My 1.5tsi manual Karoq suffered the classic problems of dying at roundabouts and kangarooing whilst, in every other respect, it was a great car. The software updates were applied when released and, although at first I had my doubts, those updates seem to have remedied things. After not being driven for a fortnight, I used the car to take my daughter to work this morning - and I used a longer 16 mile (rather than a 1 mile) route to get back. The Karoq was a pleasure to drive, returning 39.8mpg for the trip.

[Ootohere]

@silver1011   1.5TSI EVO's are not available without ACT, so it is 1.4 TSI's with a GPF and not ACT with plug in hybrid to get the WLTP / RDE2 results.

 

Probably a 1.4TSI without any charge in the power pack would not make the figures for the WLTP / RDE / RDE2.