Must be good Thomas is reviewing it.

Everyone is going on about how funky it is, fun etc and ignore the limited range as it is a city car. It is certainly a lot more up to date and funky than the electric UP/Mii/Citigo  and not a lot more in price either. (or is £26K after PICG?) Still seems a lot of money for a city run around / second car but some will buy for the tech. I expect Honda will sell all they make, since they do not intend to make many.

Lots of people need to travel by cars in cities every day.

Commuters coming in from places without public transport / workers.

NHS, Doctors and nurses, / DWP / Utilities , meter readers / HMRC / Social Work & Social Care / Estate Agents / Fast Food Deliveries etc etc 

 

Plenty fleets are using BMW i3's and those are not cheap and do not have a great range.

Leases make all the difference.

 

 

 

 

Edited 28 January, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

 

Still looks like a Micra K11 with round headlights to me. What was that about "funky styling" since it looks like a 20 year old car?

I am curious to not only drive one of these in winter, but to see one charging outside when there is a snow fall. or snow fall and freeze and the driver is not around to stop charging.

Also to see what that Bonnet / Wing panel gap is like with driving snow filling it and then maybe freezing or freezing rain filling the gap.

?

Are the rear view door cameras heated or do you have to spray with deicer?

 

 

 

Looks like a Mk2 Fabia Monte Carlo if you squint.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 28 January, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

 

 

On 28/01/2020 at 15:32, KenONeill said:

Still looks like a Micra K11 with round headlights to me. What was that about "funky styling" since it looks like a 20 year old car?

Whatever happened  to the Retro look being "in" even for an EV.

 

Mini Cooper EV coming soon.

5 minutes ago, vrskeith said:

Mini Cooper EV coming soon.

That's just soooooo wrong, BMW are murdering the once respected Cooper name IMHO.

 

I cite "Mini Cooper diesel" m'lud.

7 minutes ago, vrskeith said:

Mini Cooper EV coming soon.

Er, a Midi is also neither good funky nor retro.

 

I had original Automatic Minis, i just fitted with longer runners and the seat fully back or bolted in.

That is the same now with a MINI. I had more room in a Toyota iQ.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 29 January, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

 

15 hours ago, vrskeith said:

 

 

Less the 200 km real world range ! 

 

Give me a 135 hp and 300 km range, in a Zoe or a Corsa, or 208.

Put that Peugeot e-208 into ECO Mode or maybe Normal and B and you will be good for 350 km with some range to charge.

Just do not make your destination Nairn and expect to Rapid or Fast charge as this is a pathetic place for public chargers and ones operating.

Unreal considering how much renewable electricity is generated in the Moray Firth.

 

 

 

In S, much quicker than this. In S on the right road with TC off an B used loads of fun. and maybe 300 km range, likely not.

 

8.1 0-62 (100kmh)  is in Normal Mode so 110ps & this is what the WLTP figure comes from.

ECO is 82 ps.  and as for 136ps in Sport.  Try one against a 130ps Petrol 8 speed auto.  No comparison. 

Try it against a 150ps EV like a i3 or maybe a e-Honda.

 

"Permanent 57 kw base figure". = 77.4 ps.  No idea on this.  Or the Insurance based on that. Sounds like crap info really.

(The original press pack said the Motor gave 75, 100 or 130 bhp.)

http://carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-official-pictures/vauxhall/corsa-e

Same platform, Batteries, Motors etc. 

 

e-208 Top Spec is the GT,

below that is the GT-Line and Allure.

 

 

 

 

The right road in the right weather and the right / normal sort of temp, mid teens and snow thawed.

Edited 31 January, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

There are plenty right hand drive £35,000 and under EV's in the UK now.

 

Surely Haymarket Media Group / Autocar / What Car / Piston Heads could get them together for a Group Test in 2020.

 

VW e-Golf, Renault Zoe, Nissan Leaf, BMW i3, Smart Forfour, Peugeot e-208, Kia Niro, Kia Soul, Ioniq, Hyundai Kona, MG ZS EV, Citigo iV / SEAT Mii,

throw in some left hookers. e-MINI, e-Corsa, e-Honda.

 

http://motorway.co.uk/guides/best-electric-cars

 

Edited 31 January, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

First thing i expect of the Car Journalists is maybe take the cars to the Weigh Bridge and check as they received them.

There is a bit of kidology going on here with WLTP figures.

 

Owners should not need to knock off 10% from figures given.

UK Car Reviewers could set off on a proper 120 mile circuit around the like of the Welsh hill routes and see who can do a 2nd circuit or how long to charge till they can.

Driving like they do on other car group testing.  Within speed limits....

 

Then maybe at the end of the 2nd circuit take them to a race track and do a few laps and some 0-62's with them on the charge left.

 

They could give the cost of these various cars charging from starting with all at 100%.

Also how they got on with maybe 6 arriving at the charging place after 120 miles all at the same time.

Edited 31 January, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

57 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Also how they got on with maybe 6 arriving at the charging place after 120 miles all at the same time.

Bet most of them would be waiting for an empty charge point ...

 

IMHO the problem with tests by journalists is that most of them don't want to upset the car manufacturers who spend a lot of advertising revenue with their magazines. There are notable exceptions, like evo,  who don't mind upsetting the car manufacturers if it's in the interests of accurate journalism.

Edited 31 January, 20206 yr by PetrolDave

EVO were deaf dumb and blind for too long to excessive oil users even when they tested cars and experienced it and passed off as normal.

 

There was a journalist that came on to this forum and got advice on Mk2 Fabia vRS and then wrote or compiled a pretty good article.

Pity others previously had bigged up VW Polo GTI 1.4TSI Twinchargers and not been a bit more picky.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/426080-evo-magazine-buying-guide

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/429231-mk2-fabia-vrs-buying-guide-in-evo-issue-235

 

 

The  VW ID.3 will be getting well observed by many and has been long enough in the baking that surely the VW Group have nailed the tail on the donkey straight from the first ones in private owners hands.

 

This dude could do all the testing. drive them like you borrowed them. He does not mind upsetting manufacturers, VW / Porsche.

 

 

There should be small EV's that can be at least as much fun to drive as these with at least 200 miles without range worries.

& with passengers.

 

 

 

Edited 31 January, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

On 30/01/2020 at 15:25, vrskeith said:

 

 

Mini/BMW - 200 km range

PSA/Renault - 300 km range

 

All can cruise at 70 mph comfortably.

Zoe might only do 240 km at 70 mph

Mini 160 km or hundred miles at this speed, gulp.

 

 

On 13/09/2019 at 19:47, vrskeith said:

So will VW introduce a longer range ,higher performance  UP GTE in2020? Especially as they are re-launching a facelifted UP GTi in 2020? 

Me thinks they have got to offer this option.

 

 

Sorry but im not spending 30k on a corsa or a peugeot 208.

 

electric cars need to get into the real world.

 

why do they always have daft wheels on them as well 🤢

Daft plain looking aero wheels or just ordinary looking or maybe wheel trims just because they are trying to reduce drag and brake disc cooling is not needed when there is regen braking.

Nobody needs to get something they do not like.

Looking at just the RRP seems to me no longer valid.  It is the monthly rental cost that is key and the monthly energy/fuel cost.

 

Currently looking at a 245 mile range Zoe for £245 pm and charging cost of about a penny a mile from Octypus (who I get my energy from anyways as the took over the COOP).  Expect a 20k miles per lease to be well over £300 pm.  

 

I run a highly cost efficient Octavia ie 1.4 TSI DSG which does 55 mpg, so about 10p a mile for fuel and cost me £266 for a 20K per year, four year lease so the prices are getting much closer.  I would like range of over 300 mile so only Tesla would probably do, hence Tesla is worth more than any other car company other than Toyota as it is know they have got the car, and charging,  of the future right.

 

https://www.octopusev.com/carsinfo 

 

Edited 6 February, 20206 yr by lol-lol