The ignorance of EV drivers is annoying.

 

Castleview Park & ride charging hub Stirling has 4x 50 kW DC / 43 kW AC chargers of which 3 were working today.

Infront of these is a row of 22 kW chargers sitting empty and beyond dozens of 7 kW AC chargers.

 

The Skoda Enyaq & Audi e-Tron drivers for some reason charge their cars on the 43 kW AC plugs and leave their cars for hours getting only 11 kWh.

Muppets.

 

 

 

Edited 2 March, 20224 yr by roottoot

At least it's better than the Range Rover PHEV driver I met trying to use Ikea rapid charger type 2 to charge their "electric car". Smugly thinking they've beaten the fuel queues (back during fuel delivery shortage) whilst waiting hours, probably sucking on meatballs.

 

Ignorance, it's a very polite word for combining stupidity and laziness to learn.

Many new EV drivers think that speed of charge is related to speed of charger only. They have no idea of the difference in AC and DC or the limits of charging speeds on their vehicle. The face on the guy at Aldi charging his older (new to him) Leaf when I explained he wouldn't get 22kW or 7kW at Tesco as his car charges at 3.6kW max on AC. I explained he needed a Chademo rapid to speed things up, but he didn't have the range to get to the nearest rapid. He genuinely thought it just had two charge ports so he could drive it abroad.

Edited 2 March, 20224 yr by Luckypants

While i plugged in i was getting 48 kWh of a charge i was down to 15 miles range left at that time. 

I checked what the Blue TESLA parked at the wrong side of the charger was getting and it was 23kW and they had 33kWh received and were at about only 60%.

 

When they left a New Nissan Van arrived and they could not get a charge on the Chademo at that charger as it cut out as soon as the charger tried to connect.

I was talking to the driver for 30 minutes while i got a charge and he tried the charger a few times but no go.

CPS was not answering the phone. 

So 1 Tesla was there at the old Rapid and on AC as well as the Skoda & Enyaq & only i was on DC/ CCS until another car plugged in on CCS next to the Audi while the Nissan van driver was trying to get a charge. 

 

I got 32.687kWh in 55 minutes.

This was fine, as It was just above freezing.

Best i had in the last 6 charges preciously were in the range of  32-35 kWh in 80 minutes in warmer conditions and each time arriving with a hot battery.

 

*All free charging @ CPS chargers in council areas not yet charging to charge.*

 

 

 

Edited 2 March, 20224 yr by roottoot

I charged at my local council charger for the first time since it went to 23 pence a kWh & it cost me £6.22.

Another driver was telling me that more often than not his account is not debited for the charging he does. 

Yet another one was telling me he has had Parking Fines 3 times now because the charger had cut out and the Parking Warden counts that as parked in an electric car bay.

He won 2 appeals nut not the third.

 

It took less in than i got free yesterday which was arriving with a cold battery.

 

I have decided if i had the money or the inclination to have a large EV it would be the BMW. 

You can just tut and maybe shake your head when you see the muppets that choose this type of bay when the car park is pretty empty.

The high driving position is not that much of a help if the driver is half blind or just ignorant.

That should be a fine of 10% of the value of the vehicle when it was new.

10% for first offence, 20% second and so on.

 

11th is the value of the vehicle when new, and the vehicle is towed

12th is the value of the vehicle when new and the vehicle is towed and sold.

 

That should make the rounds on your local social media, as with that personalised reg plate on a fairly old RR sport, it'll get around to people who know them fairly quickly I'd imagine.

Similar at my local Tesco in January. We have a "Parking Like a T@*t" page on Facebook for the area, so got put on there....

 

This is quite interesting. It's a bout winter range and also mentions heat pumps in some cars.

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/move-electric/electric-vehicle-range-test-reveals-20-drop-winter

This week on my 6 x 0.7 mile jaunts with the ambient temp at 10*oC i am getting 2.7 miles to the kWh compared to 1.7 miles when it is 5*oC.

 

That makes a bit of a difference if paying for electricity, or just the time spent charging even if free.  

 

Range when starting cold with a pre heated or not pre heated battery and the temperature is like with a diesel in the cold.

Once at heat and you keep going further you are not seeing the same fuel use as starting in the cold and only going a short distance the stop, cool, repeat and on and on.

 

281 or the winter time 224 miles on a single journey is not going to be the same as doing 24 x 10 miles, or 48 times 5 miles.

Which many people might be doing in the Super Car EV or just a Fiat 500e.

Edited 17 March, 20224 yr by roottoot

1 hour ago, roottoot said:

This week on my 6 x 0.7 mile jaunts with the ambient temp at 10*oC i am getting 2.7 miles to the kWh compared to 1.7 miles when it is 5*oC.

That makes a bit of a difference if paying for electricity, or just the time spent charging even if free.  

Range when starting cold with a pre heated or not pre heated battery and the temperature is like with a diesel in the cold.

Once at heat and you keep going further you are not seeing the same fuel use as starting in the cold and only going a short distance the stop, cool, repeat and on and on.

281 or the winter time 224 miles on a single journey is not going to be the same as doing 24 x 10 miles, or 48 times 5 miles.

Which many people might be doing in the Super Car EV or just a Fiat 500e.

 

Absolutely.  ICE or EV, lots of short journeys lead to shorter overall range.

I can see on my Zoe that the heat pump provides enough heat on a coolish day without a big hit on the separately listed, it soon becomes less than one tends to be getting back in regen which can be quite a few kWh.

 

Big question is whether battery heating is worth it in all circumstances or just a few ?

Zoe has air cooling but no heating but the battery heats up quite quickly if one if using doing even moderate speeds.

Happy with it but maybe would not be in I was using it in sub zero often whereas here it has only been around zero or a few degrees above and cool battery not been a problem with only the warning popping up saying full power or regen not available with the cold battery status.  

 

From what I read, Tesla, which was once the unquestioned champion and leader of the EV revolution, seems to have the battery management better sorted than most other manufacturers. Although they no longer win every EV car test and I suspect this trend will now continue as other manufacturers catch up on tech and use their superior know-how of what the car buying public want in a car, Tesla do seem to know how to get the most out of their batteries.  While I hate the styling of all Teslas and abhor their interiors, not to mention the shonky build quality on many of their relatively expensive cars, they are pretty new to building motor vehicles after all and they have used their engineering nous to sort the tech out right at the start. Hopefully they will move away from permanent magnets, as others are starting to do and who knows, the next gen batteries might make a noticeable difference (not holding my breath). But range is range and I can not afford to run a car I can't use to guarantee I turn up to my next job on time. It would be fine if I was retired, though. Yes fuel is terribly expensive compared to leccy, but at present I can return home from London at 03:00hrs fill up the tank, grab a few hours sleep and set off for Glasgow later in the morning. EV would be great, but I would lose work, so the expensive option is the only one that works for me at the moment. 

 

This is the sad tale of a guy who loves his EV and yet is being forced to sell it as range and recharge facilities are not yet ready for his busy lifestyle. It's not a trolling post, he genuinely loves his EV 

 

 

What was he paying 40 pence a kWh hour for to charge at anytime at home?  He did not need to have a tariff with off peak if that was not giving enough hours cheap charging. Even the new rate coming is just 27 pence a kWh.    

8 minutes ago, roottoot said:

What was he paying 40 pence a kWh hour for to charge at anytime at home?  He did not need to have a tariff with off peak if that was not giving enough hours cheap charging. Even the new rate coming is just 27 pence a kWh.    

 

That's a question for him. Pop it on his YouTube channel. He didn't sound like he was an idiot, but you never know. 

@Lady ElanoreWhen you use public chargers you meet many with loads of money, all the gear and funnily no idea quite often.

 

Amazing how many do so much research and run business's and know taxation and yet will not flash the cash to get a car charged, then there are those that know all the moves and how to do many miles with loads of smiles and huge savings over that when they run an ICE.

 

I meet lots of high mile drivers in EV's that do deliveries with them over long distances daily and provide them for their staff as well.

 

PS

MY BAD>   I never heard properly the *** "40 pence per hour"'***   So not much per hour.   (Then he says later 40 pence per kWh)

 

Charge the car for 10 hours if you are at home and have 5 hours of that at the Off Peak Tariff or just have the standard tariff, and get that home charger is, 

or your solar and battery storage.

 

He asks, 'Who knows?'   

Well if Petrol or diesel is £7.25 a gallon and you get 45 MPG them you are £29 and going 180 miles.

Edited 17 March, 20224 yr by roottoot

I got the impression that he was in a similar boat to myself. Turn around time is a major problem for me. Mind you, I do like a petrol engine  

@Lady Elanorewe know that is how different means of transport work and vehicle choices as well, use the convenient, comfortable or affordable or just what you want when you need to and forget anything else.

Life is too short and it is only money and if you have enough then sorted.

2 hours ago, Lady Elanore said:

From what I read, Tesla, which was once the unquestioned champion and leader of the EV revolution, seems to have the battery management better sorted than most other manufacturers. Although they no longer win every EV car test and I suspect this trend will now continue as other manufacturers catch up on tech and use their superior know-how of what the car buying public want in a car, Tesla do seem to know how to get the most out of their batteries.  While I hate the styling of all Teslas and abhor their interiors, not to mention the shonky build quality on many of their relatively expensive cars, they are pretty new to building motor vehicles after all and they have used their engineering nous to sort the tech out right at the start. Hopefully they will move away from permanent magnets, as others are starting to do and who knows, the next gen batteries might make a noticeable difference (not holding my breath). But range is range and I can not afford to run a car I can't use to guarantee I turn up to my next job on time. It would be fine if I was retired, though. Yes fuel is terribly expensive compared to leccy, but at present I can return home from London at 03:00hrs fill up the tank, grab a few hours sleep and set off for Glasgow later in the morning. EV would be great, but I would lose work, so the expensive option is the only one that works for me at the moment. 

 

This is the sad tale of a guy who loves his EV and yet is being forced to sell it as range and recharge facilities are not yet ready for his busy lifestyle. It's not a trolling post, he genuinely loves his EV 

 

 

 

Oddly the TESLAs are not fast in the world of "home" charging, I think that goes to the Renault Zoe which can all charge at up to 22 kWh, the catch being if you have 3 phase which many small holdings etc do but not very many normal houses, which many European houses apparently do.

The Q43 ZE40 Zoe could use 43 kWh home charging, again if one had the 3 phase.

 

Sadly the Megane-e will probably only have a single phase 7.2 kWh charger option but I can see people building their own 50 or even 100 kWh home charger, not that difficult but one would have to have some considerable battery back up to feed it, all DC of course.

 

So one is talking about 2 maybe 3 hours maximum charging time either at home or stopping for a coffee at say Rugby services and hooking up to one of the 350 kWh charger for a few minutes which can add up to a mile of range every seven seconds and one has saved time by not going to the petrol station and losing ten minutes if one has charged at home at Robert Llewelyn explains in his numerous Fully Charged and over EV video with both charging at home and pre-condition to defrost a car before one is due to set off.

 

Personally I think the Hyundai/Kea are just about there in tech with TESLA< it is just they have not produced a really low aero drag car like TESLA have with the 3 and S and the public muppets like SUV which damage range by a good 5 or 10% or so.    

Done 4k miles in the Zoe and spent £50 on energy.  Filled the Fabia up yesterday and spent £70 on a tankful, yes it showed 600 miles range but for that saving I can live with the Zoe on most journeys, it is just the motorway blasts of 200 miles and no certainty of destination charger that limits at the moment.

Roll of TESLA allowing use of the TESLA supercharger network and GRIDSERVE getting more of their 50 to 350 kWh charging station.

EVs will also go from 400 volt to 800 volt, maybe even 1200 volt and that should crack the fill speed issue. My company uses more Super capacitors for some of its high tech EV vehicles but that is probably still a few years off more more common road use although used in brake regen even in non EVs.  

 

https://insideevs.com/news/406504/fully-charged-renault-zoe-gt-line-r135/

 

I've just done my mileage claims this evening, starting from August and I'm currently the busiest, in mileage terms as well as jobs done, I've ever been. My mileage is definitely getting higher these days than previously. Which is an irony, in that an EV would save me a lot of money potentially (I could write off the first years corporation tax too) but because I am busier, I can't go down the EV route for the above mentioned reasons  I might as well go and get a V8 then  

8 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

I've just done my mileage claims this evening, starting from August and I'm currently the busiest, in mileage terms as well as jobs done, I've ever been. My mileage is definitely getting higher these days than previously. Which is an irony, in that an EV would save me a lot of money potentially (I could write off the first years corporation tax too) but because I am busier, I can't go down the EV route for the above mentioned reasons  I might as well go and get a V8 then  

 

A Mustang-e with a chauffeur that goes off and charges it when you are filming (or sleeping) ?

 

Mustang has a three phase charger onboard but not as good as the Renault ie 11 kWh rather than 22 kWh but with the several thousands rapid chargers there is probably and rapid, ultra rapid 150 kWh that the mustang-e can use.  A long range one of these, probably RWD rather than AWD so one can do fishtailing.

 

Maybe a V8 noise generator from various auto firms that have read the runes and can make an EV sound like anything V8,V10,V12, Ferrari, Yank or whatever....   

 

12 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

A Mustang-e with a chauffeur that goes off and charges it when you are filming (or sleeping) ?

 

Mustang has a three phase charger onboard but not as good as the Renault ie 11 kWh rather than 22 kWh but with the several thousands rapid chargers there is probably and rapid, ultra rapid 150 kWh that the mustang-e can use.  A long range one of these, probably RWD rather than AWD so one can do fishtailing.

 

Maybe a V8 noise generator from various auto firms that have read the runes and can make an EV sound like anything V8,V10,V12, Ferrari, Yank or whatever....   

 

I think if I had a chauffeur, they would make a lot more money than me  unless I changed them to the steering wheel and fed them crisps as payment? 

2 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

I think if I had a chauffeur, they would make a lot more money than me  unless I changed them to the steering wheel and fed them crisps as payment? 

 

My dream journeys of getting to my work place which is rarely the same place, as below ......

A mint Jag Type S or a new Merc EQS.

Must be many who would do the job for just over minimum wage and access to a good event.

 

 

 

I was thinking Jag F Type R V8 and nobody would be allowed to drive except perhaps 'George'. It's something we will eventually all miss, that drama of the starting of a special petrol engine. When I started my M4, there was a real sense of occasion, at least for me but I can't see how that would be possible with an EV 😞 We have to change, I get that, but the youngest generation are really going to miss out on something special if they are still 'into cars' that is. I would still happily consider a hydrogen EV though, even if it meant very average performance. I'm getting to an age where I need to slow down anyway, I guess. 

 

The Chinese are claiming some very impressive figures for some of their latest EVs however, including some serious range on their advanced and huge batteries. 

6 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

 It's something we will eventually all miss, that drama of the starting of a special petrol engine.

That's reminded me just how much I miss the sound of the high revving V8 in my previous Audi RS4 🥲

1 hour ago, PetrolDave said:

That's reminded me just how much I miss the sound of the high revving V8 in my previous Audi RS4 🥲

A bit OT, but I worked with a guy who ran one of those and as the engine got to 8k rpms with his Miltec exhaust, you felt the gates of Valhalla were about to open. Magnificent engine. He now drives a Mustang EV! (although he rebuilds old classic cars as a hobby, so he isn't without some petrol in his blood)

 

I don't like the synthetic noises that the current EVs make, although a Jetsons style wibble might be acceptable.  

 

I don't think it will come to pass, but if we were to get power cuts in the next 12 months, is there anything EV people can do? Would a simple mains generator be sufficient for a slow charge, or would the mains not be clean enough for the car? 

Edited 17 March, 20224 yr by Lady Elanore