Amundsen Mib2 Map Updates 2021

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# ECE A1
Albania, Andorra, Austria, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Cyprus, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Faroe Islands, Germany, Gibraltar, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Ireland, Italy, Kosovo, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Moldova, Monaco, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine, United Kingdom, Vatican City State

# ECE 1
Andorra, Belgium, Faroe Islands, France, Gibraltar, Iceland, Ireland, Ireland, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, United Kingdom

# ECE 2
Albania, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Norway, Romania, Russian Federation, Serbia, Sweden, Ukraine

# ECE 3
Austria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Liechtenstein, Malta, Poland, San Marino, Slovakia, Slovenia, Switzerland, Vatican City State

# ECE 4
Andorra, Austria, Belgium, Croatia, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, Netherlands, Poland, San Marino, Slovakia, Slovenia, Switzerland, Vatican City State

# ECE 5
Andorra, Austria, Belgium, Croatia, Czech Republic, Faroe Islands (land-use only), France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, Netherlands, Poland, San Marino, Slovakia, Slovenia, Switzerland, United Kingdom (incl. Isle of Man), Vatican City State

# ECE 6
Andorra, Belgium, Denmark, Faroe Islands (land-use only), Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, United Kingdom (incl. Isle of Man)

# ECE 7
Albania, Austria, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Kosovo, Latvia, Lithuania, Liechtenstein, Macedonia, F.Y.R.O., Malta, Moldova, Montenegro, Poland, Romania, San Marino, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, Vatican City State

# ROW 1
Israel, Argentina, Brazil, Fr. Guyana *, Guadeloupe *, Martinique *, Mexico, Turkey *

# ROW 2
India *, Chile *

# ROW 3
Australia, New Zealand, Botswana *, Lesotho *, Mozambique *, Namibia *, South Africa, Swaziland *; Reunion *, Brunei, Indonesia *, Malaysia *, Philippines *, Singapore, Thailand, Egypt *, Algeria *, Bahrain *, Jordan *, Qatar *, Kuwait, Morocco, Oman *, Saudi Arbien *, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates *

======= instruction =======

Don't ask me details, i have Columbus Mib2H.

all what i know, files must be extracted to original(Škoda's) SD Card
some questions have been already answered in previous treads:

2018/2019

2020

Edited 23 June, 2021 by MartiniB

Tell · 12 November, 2020

I see you got the other Seat missing ones now. Was going to check. They have improved their game now.

langers2k · 12 November, 2020

Might be worth updating the other thread:

Mostly as it's a sticky so should be easier for people to find

PetrolDave · 12 November, 2020

Any sign of the Amundsen MIB1 2021 maps yet?

Tell · 12 November, 2020

5 hours ago, langers2k said:

Might be worth updating the other thread:

Mostly as it's a sticky so should be easier for people to find

I think MartiniB closed the mib2 standard 2021 thread down yesterday after I posted that up and reopened this one which had existed before but had vanished. Probably needs a stìcky as you said. Why I posted it up over there which is now closed.... (confused ears as they say on cat Twitter ;))

Anyhow the all Europe map seems to work fine, least in the UK.

smipx · 16 November, 2020

Hi,

All Good here - MIB2 and all updated via the VW link.

It's a shame that they could not have bothered to fix the lack of town / large village names for about 1/2 the urban areas in the UK though when using the navigation on the head unit.

For example. Where I live there are two fairly major towns; Barnstaple and Bideford. On the map on the unit is shows Barnstaple but Bideford (with a population of around 15000) is just a brown splodge with no town name. I did report this to Skoda but to be honest they just told me to report it on the Mapcreator reporting app. It is not a map error though - so it can't be reported on the app. It is an error in some configuration file somewhere that is telling the Amudsen not to display conurbations below (presumably) a certain size. I have tries at all zoom levels and also in 2D and 3D but no amount of fettling will make it show smaller town names.

I tried to explain this to Skoda but I just don't think they were prepared to "get it". I then gave up after much too-ing and fro-ing.

Given that Bideford in Devon is actually a reasonable sized town (in UK terms for towns / villages) then it seems a little odd and makes the maps almost totally useless to be able to move around, identify a place you know is nearby (by the town's name being on the actual map view) and then zoom in to it and select a destination. Of course, you can type in the Town name and then select it but that's not really the point - that's another way to do a similar thing but not quite the same.

The other thing it stops is being able to drive around and have the map in "display view" rather than actually navigating. Come across a nice village / area and then look at the map to see what it might be called. According to the map its not called anyting - just a brown splodge.

The Mapcreator clearly shows the places (attached) but the crappy implementation on the Amudsen does not.:

I guess they are never going to fix it :-(

Edited 16 November, 2020 by smipx

Tell · 16 November, 2020

I believe a German digital mapping company does the work for VAG taking the Here Maps cartography plus associated files and generating the upload for the mib2 system. The company name crops up on the Excel spreadsheet that sometimes get released with the files. You look at properties and read it off :).... it was on a pivot they had produced between releases but it got shipped out with the files. I reckon it's them that need to address issues like that. You can dig about in the mib2 download files to find cartography relationships. The company is called EB Automotive GmbH. It's Seat that let this one slip out. The Skoda one of recent wasn't so interesting but excited the German Skoda Community Board.

PetrolDave · 16 November, 2020

41 minutes ago, smipx said:

Where I live there are two fairly major towns; Barnstaple and Bideford.

Sounds like we are in the same 'neck of the woods' as we shop in Barnstaple, Bideford and Tiverton!

I have a MIB1 Amundsen and I have to admit I always have the map display set to 50m or 100m so I can't say if the same problem exists on the MIB1.

smipx · 16 November, 2020

I complained to Skoda and you would hope that the complaint would be aggregated by them and then passed on to the mothership (VAG) and then on to the folk who do the work. Unless more people complain to Skoda UK about the issue then they will not see enough complaints about it and I guess do nothing. It wouldn't really be appropriate for me to try and reach out to the middle man. What it needs is more people to fire off emails to Skoda CS about it and that's only going to happen if people are bothered. I did see someone else complain about the french village names and they also complained to Skoda (I think) but the problem is that skoda customer services, when I contacted them, due to perhaps some language issues (or perhaps something else - I could not possibly comment) just don't seem to get the nature of the problem - At least not the people I have communicated with. I got fed up with them as I felt I was "watering in the wind" and getting rather wet with unspeakable liquids.

10 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

Sounds like we are in the same 'neck of the woods' as we shop in Barnstaple, Bideford and Tiverton!

I have a MIB1 Amundsen and I have to admit I always have the map display set to 50m or 100m so I can't say if the same problem exists on the MIB1.

:-) I do most of my shopping at a little place nearby called "Computer Keyboard" at the moment.

Edited 16 November, 2020 by smipx

Tell · 16 November, 2020

2 hours ago, Tell said:

I believe a German digital mapping company does the work for VAG taking the Here Maps cartography plus associated files and generating the upload for the mib2 system. The company name crops up on the Excel spreadsheet that sometimes get released with the files. You look at properties and read it off :).... it was on a pivot they had produced between releases but it got shipped out with the files. I reckon it's them that need to address issues like that. You can dig about in the mib2 download files to find cartography relationships. The company is called EB Automotive GmbH. It's Seat that let this one slip out. The Skoda one of recent wasn't so interesting but excited the German Skoda Community Board.

Right well the place to look for the technical minded is via SQLLite is in Mib2 / Truffles in say Great Britain table Word. This what links search words etc into the geo database using suggested words. Bideford is there so some other table for back to Here Maps. PSF files you can't do much with but the SQLite ones you can poke about in. That's where you won't see whole post codes.

Here end ith the lesson :).

PS don't save anything since you will mess up the upload.

smipx · 16 November, 2020

Whosh as it all went over my head. I think I will have to leave that for someone who knows what they are doing :-)

Tell · 16 November, 2020

Question is who owns the way the map is displayed. The people who put the files together for VAG I believe is EB Automotive GmbH although it has been sold out to Continental. I see on the Android App Here We Go the sizes of two towns font look the same. Think it's the VAG implementation rather than the cartography but there will be buck passing between parties. You could see what it looks like under Mib3 which uses Here Maps cartography. That would be an interesting test to see whether they have ported the issue between Mib2 and Mib3.

That table I gave you proves that mib2 high doesn't use full postcodes. You are better to type in the address rather than post codes if you want the best location. I know there are a breed of people that type postcodes in. Gives you the postmans walk on domestic addresses. Start clipping that back and it's worse that that (how mib2 works in the UK). Attempts are being made to fill out house numbering across the country so where the maps have this digitised in, in the correct place, you will find that to be accurate, better than just the postcode. Postcodes are our unique issue in the UK of how they implement the European zip code box.

That's the task on Mapcreator to get the missing house numbers in and the wrong ones sorted. They seem to have started an automated approach to in fill missing house number and stretch them between the two ends of a road even thou the houses are all at one end. Major rural areas have been done by hand, the other ones where this 80's approach to geo information systems is deployed :).

Tell · 17 November, 2020

Size looks identical on Co-pilot which uses Here Maps cartography e.g. looks fine. Probably a blob size parameter on the mib2 high implementation of the name. . Still would be interesting to see how its handled in mib3. Covid times and all that. Whether it's a rewrite of their display processes from the same cartography or looks identical with the "bug". Will have a look next time I sit in one at a dealer with mib3. I'm sure later today I'll find the same issue with Barnstaple v Bideford on my Seat mib2 high... let you know if it's perfect .

smipx · 17 November, 2020

MartiniB · 17 November, 2020

2 hours ago, Tell said:

Still would be interesting to see how its handled in mib3

Discover Premium ?

# 2021 EU 25 GB
VW portal:   http://vw-maps-cdn.lighthouselabs.eu/vw-maps/P0440_MIB2P_EU.7z
Downloadable:   2020.11.07
Files inside:   2020.06.26
Published:   ----.--.--

# 2021 ROW 22 GB
VW portal:   12Gb corrupted file -h-t-t-p://vw-maps-cdn.lighthouselabs.eu/vw-maps/P0443_MIB2P_RW.7z
Downloadable:   2020.11.07
Files inside:   ----.--.--
Published:   ----.--.--

# 2020-2021 EU 25 GB
VW portal:   http://vw-maps-cdn.lighthouselabs.eu/vw-maps/P0400_MIB2P_EU.7z
Files inside:   2019.12.06
Downloadable:   2020.07.02
Published:   2020.07.05
# 2020-2021 ROW 22.2 GB
VW portal:   http://vw-maps-cdn.lighthouselabs.eu/vw-maps/P0403_MIB2P_RW.7z
Files inside:   2019.12.18
Downloadable:   2020.07.02
Published:   2020.07.05

Tell · 17 November, 2020

1 hour ago, MartiniB said:

Discover Premium ?

# 2021 EU 25 GB
VW portal:   http://vw-maps-cdn.lighthouselabs.eu/vw-maps/P0440_MIB2P_EU.7z
Downloadable:   2020.11.07
Files inside:   2020.06.26
Published:   ----.--.--

# 2021 ROW 22 GB
VW portal:   12Gb corrupted file -h-t-t-p://vw-maps-cdn.lighthouselabs.eu/vw-maps/P0443_MIB2P_RW.7z
Downloadable:   2020.11.07
Files inside:   ----.--.--
Published:   ----.--.--

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# 2020-2021 EU 25 GB
VW portal:   http://vw-maps-cdn.lighthouselabs.eu/vw-maps/P0400_MIB2P_EU.7z
Files inside:   2019.12.06
Downloadable:   2020.07.02
Published:   2020.07.05
# 2020-2021 ROW 22.2 GB
VW portal:   http://vw-maps-cdn.lighthouselabs.eu/vw-maps/P0403_MIB2P_RW.7z
Files inside:   2019.12.18
Downloadable:   2020.07.02
Published:   2020.07.05

Those are they.... Well specifically the VW Passat from 2019 "mib3" what we don't know is whether they can be uploaded into Skoda & Seats. I don't know. Seats just have a software update button whether that does it... haven't had anybody try it. All face lifted 2020 models basically.

The Passat seemed to be their test bed then rolled out across VAG in the face lifted models and new for this Autumn. Dubbed Mib3. Connect services on the map updates. Seat manual has a section on map upload, but button is missing off UK ones but has the software update. That might be like the SWDL command and work ?. Needs people to try.

Tell · 17 November, 2020

23 hours ago, smipx said:

Hi,

All Good here - MIB2 and all updated via the VW link.

It's a shame that they could not have bothered to fix the lack of town / large village names for about 1/2 the urban areas in the UK though when using the navigation on the head unit.

For example. Where I live there are two fairly major towns; Barnstaple and Bideford. On the map on the unit is shows Barnstaple but Bideford (with a population of around 15000) is just a brown splodge with no town name. I did report this to Skoda but to be honest they just told me to report it on the Mapcreator reporting app. It is not a map error though - so it can't be reported on the app. It is an error in some configuration file somewhere that is telling the Amudsen not to display conurbations below (presumably) a certain size. I have tries at all zoom levels and also in 2D and 3D but no amount of fettling will make it show smaller town names.

I tried to explain this to Skoda but I just don't think they were prepared to "get it". I then gave up after much too-ing and fro-ing.

Given that Bideford in Devon is actually a reasonable sized town (in UK terms for towns / villages) then it seems a little odd and makes the maps almost totally useless to be able to move around, identify a place you know is nearby (by the town's name being on the actual map view) and then zoom in to it and select a destination. Of course, you can type in the Town name and then select it but that's not really the point - that's another way to do a similar thing but not quite the same.

The other thing it stops is being able to drive around and have the map in "display view" rather than actually navigating. Come across a nice village / area and then look at the map to see what it might be called. According to the map its not called anyting - just a brown splodge.

The Mapcreator clearly shows the places (attached) but the crappy implementation on the Amudsen does not.:

I guess they are never going to fix it :-(

Is it something like this you dont see on your mib2 high ?. I do or are we at cross purposes ?.

Tell · 17 November, 2020

1 hour ago, Tell said:

Those are they.... Well specifically the VW Passat from 2019 "mib3" what we don't know is whether they can be uploaded into Skoda & Seats. I don't know. Seats just have a software update button whether that does it... haven't had anybody try it. All face lifted 2020 models basically.

The Passat seemed to be their test bed then rolled out across VAG in the face lifted models and new for this Autumn. Dubbed Mib3. Connect services on the map updates. Seat manual has a section on map upload, but button is missing off UK ones but has the software update. That might be like the SWDL command and work ?. Needs people to try.

It's this one which is the Seat unit in question zn1 part number as build across all new Leons, Ateca's and Cupra Atecas in the UK.

News story on VW

https://www.caradvice.com.au/774202/volkswagen-passat-mib3-detailed/

If you look at the VW Passat download as current for 2019 models it's the same file across the two units which explains this text

"Ahead of its arrival, the company’s global division has detailed the new infotainment system. Dubbed ‘MIB3’, Volkswagen’s third-generation modular infotainment interface comes as standard with both the 8.0-inch ‘Discover Media’ and 9.2-inch ‘Discover Pro’ navigation units."

So that was the 2019 model dummy run that VW had for mib3, then rolled out across VAG brands this Autumn 2020.

So they have consolidated the Media unit and the Pro into the same download... the word Premium is used for one of them now. That's also true for Seat where the base unit is on Here Maps and everything is now called a Plus. It's the 5ghz Android Auto WiFi link without coord that's on the zn2 units not sold in the UK.

Edited 17 November, 2020 by Tell
spelling

smipx · 17 November, 2020

2 hours ago, Tell said:

Is it something like this you dont see on your mib2 high ?. I do or are we at cross purposes ?.

Hi, Yes on my Amudsen (MIB2) I see this:

It shows Barnstaple and Tiverton - great - proper sized towns but it doesn't show Bideford (population around 20000 and if you include the neighboring Appledore, westward Ho! and northam (another town) then that rises to 36000+) and it does show Great Torrington which is a comaparatively small urban town of around 6000.

Makes no sense and even if you zoom in it still refuses to show up (I won't do that becaue it will give away my precice location - privacy and all that :-) ) .

Edited 17 November, 2020 by smipx

Tell · 17 November, 2020

1 hour ago, smipx said:

Hi, Yes on my Amudsen (MIB2) I see this:

It shows Barnstaple and Tiverton - great - proper sized towns but it doesn't show Bideford (population around 20000 and if you include the neighboring Appledore, westward Ho! and northam (another town) then that rises to 36000+) and it does show Great Torrington which is a comaparatively small urban town of around 6000.

Makes no sense and even if you zoom in it still refuses to show up (I won't do that becaue it will give away my precice location - privacy and all that :-) ) .

I think we are getting there... you said Map Creator that's the Mib2 High Cartography (threw me into thinking we were talking mib2 high), Amudsen mib2 is TomTom cartography TomTom Mapshare not Map Creator. It's TomTom MapsShare site you want to put it in as as bug. Picture attached. You have to register.

https://www.tomtom.com/uam/UI/Login?realm=/uam&spEntityID=mapsharereporter&service=onetomtom&authLevel=0&goto=%2Fuam%2Fidpssoinit%3FmetaAlias%3D%2Fuam%2Fidp%26spEntityID%3Dmapsharereporter%26redirected%3Dtrue

I suggest you put it in as an Other, Other error at that position with text and attach photo that the town name is incorrectly set up. They will ney or yay it if you keep checking. The photo should do the trick for them to check what they have set against the name (wrong property, like a village and not a town). I'd keep at them if they don't accept it.

Edited 17 November, 2020 by Tell
clarification

smipx · 17 November, 2020

Oh - Okay...

you sure its supplied by TomTom? If so then I will report it.

smipx · 17 November, 2020

Just reported it :-)

Let's see in a year if it changes. I won't hold my breath though. Its not just my one example that is the problem its all sorts of places you would expect to see on the map at a higher zoom level. If you pick a place you know well in the UK and zoom out to around 1:50000 type of zoom level then loads of places are missing.

some other totally random examples: Oswestry, Crewe, Runcorn, Cowley, Thame, Maidenhead just to name a few.

Tell · 17 November, 2020

14 minutes ago, smipx said:

Oh - Okay...

you sure its supplied by TomTom? If so then I will report it.

Definitely Mib2 standard (Amudsen) is TomTom cartography. I put the standard ones to them, the high ones to Here Maps. VAG changed to TomTom circa 2015 on, think it was tied to the launch. Whilst mib1 is Here Maps. So then everything is on Here Maps for mib3, the latest system. Boards put mib2 Amudsen down to Here Maps incorrectly due to history. Got one of each. mib2 standard on the partners car, mib2 high on mine... so put in update on both systems. Will take about a year to come thru threw but it will if accepted.

smipx · 17 November, 2020

What's the difference between the mib2 and mib2 high? Is one amudsen and the other Columbus. And I assume mib3 is the 2021 Columbus.

Tell · 17 November, 2020

43 minutes ago, smipx said:

What's the difference between the mib2 and mib2 high? Is one amudsen and the other Columbus. And I assume mib3 is the 2021 Columbus.

First two yes. The last one most probably is. That's the other conversation with MartiniB where I'm trying to get people with the new hardware to live dangerously and try to update it with the downloads. Question of finding the update button on those and trying to import one of the 2020 files. On the VW site under Passat 2019 model and 2020 the current one is published whilst MartiniB put the very latest links up.

Yes this Skoda range:

https://www.skoda-auto.com/news/news-detail/new-infotainment

They have arrived to Seat on the new Leon and the face lifted Ateca and Cupra Ateca. Dubbed Mib3.

What we don't know with those yet is whether the files are interchangeable between brands as mib1 and 2 are within respective model range. For Seat whether you can do it... Needs people with the unit. Early days on that.

Edited 17 November, 2020 by Tell
clarification

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