6 hours ago, Rooted said:

@Graham ButcherI am probably used to different house designs from you as my Uncle and his sons and their sons are house builders & they build at the sea side.

 

My uncles house was not at the seaside it looked down over the land he owned and over the golf course and to the river.

2nd left, and he built the others, back of the house from the road, garages, and lovely entrances, and the front of the houses have the view and privacy.

His Grandsons is the one to the right, build decades later & in front of the others, privacy in the gardens at the FRONT and the views. 

 

I have given this some thought and also asked others for their input, and the view is that the front, is considered to be the way that most people would approach it from the road. Your uncle really just chose to his main living areas overlooking the golf course and the river, and I presume the land he owned was mostly on the golf course site of the house. He also must have owned the land between the actual house and the street and public footpath.

 

As already explained on the roadside of my house, I have 1 large room with a window to the road, patio doors at the other end opening onto the rear garden. There is no access to the rear of my house other than through the house. All the other rooms only have windows to the rear, I have a toilet downstairs at the front, a long hallway running parallel to the road with the stairs also being parallel to the road, then there is the kitchen, accessed from the hall, a dining room, also accessed from the hall and the lounge, which is the large room with windows either end and is also accessed from the hall. Upstairs is also similar, landing and stairs parallel to the road at the front, 4 bedrooms, all with windows at the rear, facing north and a school playing field. Only windows upstairs that afford a view of the road are the landing and a frosted bathroom.

 

Old house (3 bed) had a kitchen looking to the road and toilet and front door, Lounge was accessed from hall, and the back door was also in the lounge, bathroom and 1 bedroom to the front, other bedrooms to the rear, mid terraced. My parent's house was also a 3 bed, dining room,1 bedroom and a bathroom facing the road, front door was down the side, facing the neighbours, as was the kitchen window, and 1 bedroom, lounge and a bedroom facing the back garden and allotments, back door was also in the kitchen and lead to the back garden.

 

My inlaws bungalow also has a kitchen and 1 bedroom facing the road, front door in the middle, straight into the hall again parallel to the road, dining room comes off the kitchen, window overlooks back garden, lounge accessed from the hall, other bedroom overlooks the back garden. No access to the back garden other than from the back door at the side via the kitchen.

 

But everyone tends to agree, the front of a house is the side that faces the road or the only way to access the property.

 

How people decide to to use the rooms is down to them, unless, the designer of the property left you no real choice in the matter with kitchen facing the front.

7 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Another example, diesel, once heralded as the fuel of the future, greener etc, who was saying this? Answer is the professionals, they jumped to the wrong conclusions then, and could be doing the same now, time will tell if they were right or not.

The politicians and business men (car manufacturers exec) said they were greener. They were not completely wrong, just not the whole story. 
The scientists and engineers never, ever said they were problem free and fuel of the future.
Everyone were fully aware that diesel was a minor evolution in emissions, it is still combustion. Only a foul would believe otherwise. But electric power is completely different, it is a revolution and it is the only way to achieve zero emission. Comparing the switch to BEV to diesel is like comparing chalk and cheese. 

@Graham ButcherThee more i try to figure out the NZ Beach House the less i am any the wiser.  Like the guy in the VId or you.  

I like the tractor though.

 

PS

AS to the UK,

Land / Fields at a side of a road are fields at a side of a road, when you buy the land that is what you own.

There might be a pavement already there or a pavement might get built if there was nothing there before only a verge / ditch and fences.

That land at the side of the roads is public land usually, and gets crossed to get access to land, over a yard as i remember but it could be 5 feet.

 

Edited 23 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

34 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

The politicians and business men (car manufacturers exec) said they were greener. They were not completely wrong, just not the whole story. 
The scientists and engineers never, ever said they were problem free and fuel of the future.
Everyone were fully aware that diesel was a minor evolution in emissions, it is still combustion. Only a foul would believe otherwise. But electric power is completely different, it is a revolution and it is the only way to achieve zero emission. Comparing the switch to BEV to diesel is like comparing chalk and cheese. 

Hmm, not so sure about business men (car manufacturers execs) claiming that diesel was greener, I'd doubt that they would care either way if the buyer purchased a diesel or a petrol car, really.

 

Don't politicians always claim that they have been advised by professionals, look at the debacle over Covid, we were all told by politicians and so-called professionals that what action the Government were taking to ensure the safety of the population was indeed the correct action. We are now learning just much that was pure BS.

 

I also was never comparing the switch to BEV from Diesel. All I've said is that aren't we just moving the emissions from tail pipe to other remote locations, and currently we are still generating electricity from combustion, we have a long way to go still, not to mention other ways that BEV can and do harm the planet and populations, but it's not in our backyard so that's OK then.

 

Granted, we need to stop burning stuff, we also need to stop chopping whole forests as that also harms the planet, but stopping that happening will not generate huge amounts of cash for the super rich, unlike BEV's. You can call me cynical if you like, but don't call me late for dinner 

 

Like this NZ fire, I'm not saying anything at all about the car being an BEV, I just don't know, but what I'm claiming appears to be a cover-up is where the fire started. I saw the first video of the fire with in hours of it being uploaded and thought nothing more about it. When a few days later the second video was uploaded is when I saw the complete apparent attempt at rewriting history about where the fire started. The car could be Hydrogen, Petrol, Diesel or a BEV as far as I care, the type of energy source is irrelevant. The short video of the car and garage on fire but not the house was videoed before the FENZ (firemen) arrived on the scene.

Margaret Thatcher was against the diesel being introduced as being a good fuel for passenger cars, was it not Cecil Parkinson or Micheal Heseltine that was all for it.

Her having an education in Science and having being a Transport Secretary of state. 

 

(EDIT,

My false memory there as it seems it was Norman Fowler that was the Transport Secretary, George Osborne's father in law and a Lord still the friend of the Oil Companies and a wealthy man from the work he did and does for them. 

 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-18492742

 

 

 

Edited 23 December, 20232 yr by Rooted

Years before the idea of lean burn technology was being pushed Thatcher was in favour of it. Clarkson wrote a piece on it many years ago. It's probably in one of his books I have on the shelf. IIRC it was a piece he wrote for the Times as it was a bit too long winded for any Sun readers. 

33 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Margaret Thatcher was against the diesel being introduced as being a good fuel for passenger cars, was it not Cecil Parkinson or Micheal Heseltine that was all for it.

Her having an education in Science and having being a Transport Secretary of state. 

You may well be right, I was not much interested in politics in those days, but either way, diesel was very much encouraged by the government and the public and business users bought into it in a big way.

Why officials in Labour government pushed 'dash for diesel' - BBC News

Edited 23 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

53 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Don't politicians always claim that they have been advised by professionals

Funny how you selectively believe politicians’ blame shifting (thus also justify not believing experts) but don’t believe politicians’ other shenanigans. 

 

Great argument you’ve constructed. Pat yourself on the back 👍 
 

53 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I also was never comparing the switch to BEV from Diesel. All I've said is that aren't we just moving the emissions from tail pipe to other remote locations, and currently we are still generating electricity from combustion, we have a long way to go still,

 

9 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Another example, diesel, once heralded as the fuel of the future, greener etc, who was saying this? Answer is the professionals, they jumped to the wrong conclusions then, and could be doing the same now, time will tell if they were right or not.

“Doing the same now”, are you not comparing the message to switch from combustion engine to BEV? Exactly opposite of what you claim you have never done. 
 

Not one single word in your earlier post was about shifting emissions to remote locations. 
 

Regardless what you were lead to believe. The fact of the matter is, BEV power source can be from renewables. I have successfully done this from my roof top solar. 

1 hour ago, Rooted said:

@Graham ButcherThee more i try to figure out the NZ Beach House the less i am any the wiser.  Like the guy in the VId or you.  

I like the tractor though.

 

PS

AS to the UK,

Land / Fields at a side of a road are fields at a side of a road, when you buy the land that is what you own.

There might be a pavement already there or a pavement might get built if there was nothing there before only a verge / ditch and fences.

 

 

There is a tractor, well spotted, one of their neighbours also has one, encircled in the screen print below. The claim made by the fire dept, still does not match up to the neighbours reports or the video one of them took. The car itself is not the issue here at this point. Those people in the video would all be neighbours, the area around the plot is not a tourists spot at all and neither is the beach. 

 

As to the land you mentioned, agreed, which is what I implied, the land in which your uncle's house stands is all owned by him, but he chose to arrange his house so the main living area had a more inviting view of the golf course rather than the road

5 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Funny how you selectively believe politicians’ blame shifting (thus also justify not believing experts) but don’t believe politicians’ other shenanigans. 

 

Great argument you’ve constructed. Pat yourself on the back 👍 
 

 

“Doing the same now”, are you not comparing the message to switch from combustion engine to BEV? Exactly opposite of what you claim you have never done. 
 

Not one single word in your earlier post was about shifting emissions to remote locations. 
 

Regardless what you were lead to believe. The fact of the matter is, BEV power source can be from renewables. I have successfully done this from my roof top solar. 

Have a very short memory? I have made that claim weeks or months ago and also the carbon footprint.

@RootedI had to chuckle reading the link you referred to about Maggie Thatcher with regard to leaded petrol causing violent criminal activity. I just wonder what the blame for the high levels of such behaviour we have today, would be aimed at? 

 

 

 

Extract from that article "By the mid-1980s, Maggie Thatcher had clearly ‘got’ the environment.  She had a major impact by the late 1980s, winning the battle against leaded petrol (that was reducing the IQ of children and causing behavioural disorders including violent criminal activity) after making unleaded petrol available at British service stations from 1988.  A key mechanism was the use of ‘tax incentives for unleaded fuel’ (This Common Inheritance (TCI), Summary, page 22)."

Edited 23 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

43 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Funny how you selectively believe politicians’ blame shifting (thus also justify not believing experts) but don’t believe politicians’ other shenanigans. 

What you mean like the medical experts who were paraded out in the No 10 daily Covid TV briefings. I find it rather odd how now they are trying to tell us at the Covid enquiry that they did not agree with the government's handling of the pandemic and yet, they helped the PM and other senior ministers tell us how we had to behave when it was too little and too late 🤔

 

PS> I don't ever remember any of those experts breaking ranks at the time and telling us what they believed was the right way forward. 

Edited 23 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

47 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Have a very short memory? I have made that claim weeks or months ago and also the carbon footprint.

 

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

All I've said is that aren't we just moving the emissions from tail pipe to other remote locations,

“All I’ve said” 

I am pointing out it was not what you’ve said in your earlier post. You’ve also said something you say you’ve never said. Re-read my post you’ve quoted to see your contradictions: 

If you can’t remember what you’ve said earlier in the day, perhaps you are the one who have a very short memory 😂

@wyx087Weeks or months ago means weeks or months ago, not hours. Also I may not have said that in a post directly to you, but it has been said and also as @Rootedhas mentioned before about wind farms not being used but gas fired generators being switched on to meet demand in England and maybe London even. The only way to be 100% sure you are using green power is to generate your own and only recharge at home and directly from your own green source. 

Just now, Graham Butcher said:

The only way to be 100% sure you are using green power is to generate your own and only recharge at home and directly from your own green source. 

+1

 

Paying to have green generated electricity put onto the grid is absolutely NOT the same as using green generated electricity yourself.

7 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

@wyx087Weeks or months ago means weeks or months ago, not hours. Also I may not have said that in a post directly to you,

Regardless of what you said weeks ago. The issue at hand is that you said this while quoting my post:

 

8 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

I also was never comparing the switch to BEV from Diesel. All I've said is that aren't we just moving the emissions from tail pipe to other remote locations, and currently we are still generating electricity from combustion,

 

My post quoted your post, which is below.

16 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Another example, diesel, once heralded as the fuel of the future, greener etc, who was saying this? Answer is the professionals, they jumped to the wrong conclusions then, and could be doing the same now, time will tell if they were right or not.

 

You have not mentioned remote tailpipe issue in the post in question.

You have directly compared switching to BEV from diesel, directly contradict your later post.

You have zero intension of owning up to this and continue to claim what was said weeks ago, although related, it was not mentioned and you were trying to change the subject.

What can we trust from you?

 

 

Regarding renewables, we've been through this. Please see pages back.

8 hours ago, @Lee said:

Years before the idea of lean burn technology was being pushed Thatcher was in favour of it. Clarkson wrote a piece on it many years ago. It's probably in one of his books I have on the shelf. IIRC it was a piece he wrote for the Times as it was a bit too long winded for any Sun readers. 

 

I don't think this is the piece from The Time that's in one of his books but you get the idea. Still, bloody awful woman when all's said and done.

 

Quote

At the time, most people thought she was simply trying to kill off the mining industry and its one-man carbon fountain - Arthur Scargill. But the fact is this: Mrs Thatcher had seen the evidence back in the late Seventies when she came to power, and she had a degree in chemistry so she knew what it all meant. Mrs Thatcher, then, was Britain's first eco-mentalist. The first person to recognise the concept of climate change. The first to try to do something about it.

 

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/jeremy-clarkson/jeremy-clarkson-hybrids

 

If you want to charge purely on renewables, tonight and tomorrow night is the time to do it. (I'm in a different time zone for Xmas, hence X axis)

 

All while getting paid for the privilege with the right tariff. https://agileprices.co.uk/

 

This is the future, where renewables are sometimes plentiful and people who are flexible with their demand (battery owners) can fill their boot ultra-cheap while being an asset to the grid.

 

 

The energy mix over last few days had also been mostly renewable (wind). 

One of the daughters wants to trade her Fabia for an EV.

 

Will need boot to take a pram.

 

List to look at are:

 

1. Kia Soul 27 kWh.
2. Nissan LEAF mark one 30 kWh.
3. Renault Zoe ZE40

Any other suggestions ? Budget only up to 8k.

Edited 23 December, 20232 yr by lol-lol

43 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

One of the daughters wants to trade her Fabia for an EV.

 

Will need boot to take a pram.

 

List to look at are:

 

1. Kia Soul 27 kWh.
2. Nissan LEAF mark one 30 kWh.
3. Renault Zoe ZE40

Any other suggestions ? Budget only up to 8k.

I just did a scan on Autotrader, and you've covered all the bases there. None of them have what I would call a boot though, more of a cupboard. There is of course the VW E-UP, but that is just an electric Fabia.

 

Hang a moment, how about a Citroen C-Zero? Or a Mercedes Benz B Class?

Edited 23 December, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

4 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I just did a scan on Autotrader, and you've covered all the bases there. None of them have what I would call a boot though, more of a cupboard. There is of course the VW E-UP, but that is just an electric Fabia.

 

Hang a moment, how about a Citroen C-Zero?

 

E-UP

Only available in Yorkshire?

9 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I just did a scan on Autotrader, and you've covered all the bases there. None of them have what I would call a boot though, more of a cupboard. There is of course the VW E-UP, but that is just an electric Citigo.

 

FTFY.

1 minute ago, @Lee said:

 

FTFY.

Of course, thanks.

1 minute ago, Graham Butcher said:

Of course, thanks.

Don't know why Skoda stopped the Citigo eiV to be honest. A small town car is ripe for an EV grocery getter I would have thought 🤷

8 minutes ago, @Lee said:

Don't know why Skoda stopped the Citigo eiV to be honest. A small town car is ripe for an EV grocery getter I would have thought 🤷

True, I did have a petrol version once as a courtesy car while mine was being serviced, although cramped, I managed to live with it for a day and thought that for a small car it was pretty comfortable and didn't seem to suffer from the feeling of bobbing about like a cork on an ocean wave, unlike my SIL's Yaris.