42 minutes ago, Routemaster1461 said:

 

Pretty sure that the change from 40 to 30 should be signed. Presumably there is nothing going the other way?

 

As stonekeeper states above, the 40 section was in a streetlit area, either side of the 40 limit is a 30 limit residential streetlit area. They only need to remove the 40's to make it a 30.

The NSL for cars is 60 mph single carriageways and there is a need to signpost the restricted speed and that will be a 30 mph, or maybe as in many places a 40 before a 30 then now in Scotland as 40 before a 20 mph.   No need for repeater signs with the 30 built up area.  Street lights both sides of road etc.  But there is a start point and an end then the NSL sign.     As much as it is said no need for a 30 mph, there is at the point it becomes 30. Or 40, or 50, or 70.  No need usually for a 60 mph sign though.  There is the NSL sign for that.  Other vehicles drivers are supposed to know there max speed for road types. 

17 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

 

If the road was a thirty going into a forty and now it's no longer forty, just taking the sign away that changed it to 40 is all that is necessary.

 

Signs are only needed when the road speed changes as you drive along it. Not when  it happened earlier in the year.

 

Councils usually run a public awareness campaign when it's happening

 

Might have been 'public awareness' notices in the form of a A4 laminate fastened to the odd telegraph pole along the stretch but that doesn't do much to help the motorist that's been driving the route for the past 4 decades.

It's unreasonable to expect drivers to notice a sign has gone missing and therefore 'New 30mph Limit' information boards should be erected in the section. 

26 minutes ago, Berisford said:

Might have been 'public awareness' notices in the form of a A4 laminate fastened to the odd telegraph pole along the stretch but that doesn't do much to help the motorist that's been driving the route for the past 4 decades.

It's unreasonable to expect drivers to notice a sign has gone missing and therefore 'New 30mph Limit' information boards should be erected in the section. 

Especially when you consider that "New Road Layout Ahead" signage usually stays in position for years after a relatively minor change to layout.  

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Why would anyone assume a road is 40 having previously been in a 30 zone unless you've passed a sign saying so?  

 

 

 

Public consultation started in June/July 2022

5 hours ago, sussamb said:

Why would anyone assume a road is 40 having previously been in a 30 zone unless you've passed a sign saying so?  

 

You wouldn't if you've never been down there before but as far as the speed camera (Sorry Safety Camera) checks goes they have mostly caught out local residents who had not noticed the change (ie 40 signs removed). Getting better now though as it's been a while and has filtered through to more people.

 

As stated early google maps still has it at a 40mph but updated MIB3 Karoq maps correctly states 30mph.

 

 

3 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

 

 

Public consultation started in June/July 2022

Someone knows how to do a Google search it seems!

What is the point of posting this?

3 hours ago, Berisford said:

Someone knows how to do a Google search it seems!

What is the point of posting this?

 

The people who live there, who use it most i would expect, were notified more than two years before implementation. They had an opportunity to express their concerns.

 

If i can find it now Two years later there is no excuse for not knowing it has changed.

 

It does make me realise why cars now need traffic sign recognition though, apparently drivers nowadays don't look out of the windscreen anymore.

18 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

The people who live there, who use it most i would expect, were notified more than two years before implementation. They had an opportunity to express their concerns.

 

If i can find it now Two years later there is no excuse for not knowing it has changed.

 

It does make me realise why cars now need traffic sign recognition though, apparently drivers nowadays don't look out of the windscreen anymore.

You are not getting this are you - it's not about lowering the speed limit or phoney / lip service public consultations - if you read the thread it's about the speed warning technology in new vehicles being quite clever and alerting the driver to a change they may not be aware of.

Now, you infer that drivers (me?) don't look out of the windscreen, oh but I do, I see almost all that matters - what I don't see is things that aren't there anymore, like a missing 40mph sign that had been there for some years!

I challenge anyone, especially you Stonekeeper, to notice the removal of a 40 sign, not a change, a complete removal - drivers are simply not looking to notice something that's no longer there - now bring the limit down from 50 to 40 else 30 then the changed sign would be quickly recognised by a driver paying attention.

There was a time any change in posted speed limits would have been accompanied by temporary rectangular information signs advising of the change, most especially in this particular 30 to 40 to 30 scenario you so diligently uncovered but alas, Notts CC don't think it necessary and thus, as logiclee points out, the greatest income from the fines comes from locals, that is them that use the road, not live on it.

17 minutes ago, Berisford said:

, as logiclee points out, the greatest income from the fines comes from locals, that is them that use the road, not live on it.

 

Indeed, I drive the road daily. But I've never pulled over to read the A4 laminate on the lamp post.

 

I did however notice them burning the 40mph white marking off the road.  They put that down when they reduced the road from National Speed limit to 40mph.   And that was before they shifted the 30 limit start further up the road. 

 

For those not knowing the area the road is not just a local estate route it's a very busy link from Huthwaite, Sutton is Ashfield, Pleasley towards Mansfield or A60 Nottm.

And where they keep adding housing without upgrading the roads, they just slow down traffic.

 

For Vehicle Tech, Karoq did pretty quickly change to 30mph.  Google Maps if using android auto still reports 40mph. My works vehicle has an Arval Connect driver monitoring. That still reports the road as a 40mph.

 

The signs to say it's dropping to 30 are still on the road coming the other way because they removed the signs but haven't resurfaced the road.

 

I noticed the sign had gone from here the first time i used the road after about three years after it had been removed.

 

it's not just one sign that is removed though is it. When the road is not 30 there are repeater signs along the road as well.

 

Observation is important when driving, i drive a lot and many times remember when roads had higher speed limits posted that no longer exist.

 

I also remember many country roads being National speed limit and it was down to the driver to read the warning triangles for bends etc and slow down for them. Most of those roads have now been allocated lower speeds for there entire length because numpties need telling what to do, otherwise they would belt round at the National speed limit and blame the Council for not telling them to slow down.

 

I was not saying that "you" don't look out of your windscreen personally. I was saying modern Drivers rely too much on in Car instruments to drive their vehicle, hence the sign recognition nonsense, which distracts from Driving the car with proper observation. If you include yourself that's your decision not mine.

Skoda Karoq received two weeks ago 2024/5 model has the speed limiter which I find useful but, it's not 100% accurate as I found recently on A1M showing the limit as 70mph when it was actually 50mph but that was the only time I've noticed an error. Overall I was impressed on a long journey recently with how accurate it was even on motorway/road works variable road speeds.The street light rule went out the window years ago when sections of the A3 appeared to be 30mph but were actually 60mph. Where I used to live had street lighting but a 40mph limit and no signs. There is a general lack of speed limit signs especially given the huge amount of street furniture these days. The limiter in my car makes a low beep and flashes when I go a few miles over but nothing if I slow too much below the limit.

@Saljia An eloquent testimony as to why you should never rely on so-called "driver aids" as anything more than a backup to "looking out the windows" and "knowing the law".

20 hours ago, Saljia said:

Skoda Karoq received two weeks ago 2024/5 model has the speed limiter which I find useful but, it's not 100% accurate as I found recently on A1M showing the limit as 70mph when it was actually 50mph but that was the only time I've noticed an error. Overall I was impressed on a long journey recently with how accurate it was even on motorway/road works variable road speeds.The street light rule went out the window years ago when sections of the A3 appeared to be 30mph but were actually 60mph. Where I used to live had street lighting but a 40mph limit and no signs. There is a general lack of speed limit signs especially given the huge amount of street furniture these days. The limiter in my car makes a low beep and flashes when I go a few miles over but nothing if I slow too much below the limit.

How does your Karoq 'know' the speed limit - is it from reading the signs on the road or from the map? My 2023 Karoq will display the speed limit on the NAV screen from the map. The limitation of the speed limit display on the NAV screen coming from the map data is that it will show 70 mph through roadworks where there is a temporary 40 or 50 limit and when there is a variable speed limit on overhead gantries. if I go over the displayed speed it says nothing, if I go over the max speed I've set for speed warning it bongs. If I use the speed limiter  it bongs when I go over the speed  I've set for the limiter- for example coasting down hill or resuming as I enter a 40 limit while still doing 45 mph.

On 28/07/2024 at 10:40, Paws4Thot said:

Ok, other than the temporary limits around Scottish schools at the ends of the school day and lunch hour, and/or around hospitals, name one 20mph limit with illustration(s).

Take it you haven't noticed ARA have been sneaking in 20mph in some of the smaller villages Maybole, Dalry, Maidens to name a few, nothing to do with schools, hospitals etc.,

On 14/07/2024 at 10:44, Ootohere said:

New Mandatory Speed Limiters fitted now on new cars in the EU and ones will be here in the UK now even if the rules are not the same in Great Britain but are in Northern Ireland (Part of the UK.) 

 

It will be interesting to hear from members with new cars registered recently and ones registered in July 2024 how their new system works, or not. 

Mine reg'd September 2024 and have found it useful especially on M8 and similar where speed limit chops n changes. Mostly accurate so far. Not intrusive and can be switched off apparently although haven't tried.

4 hours ago, thamestrader said:

How does your Karoq 'know' the speed limit - is it from reading the signs on the road or from the map? My 2023 Karoq will display the speed limit on the NAV screen from the map. The limitation of the speed limit display on the NAV screen coming from the map data is that it will show 70 mph through roadworks where there is a temporary 40 or 50 limit and when there is a variable speed limit on overhead gantries. if I go over the displayed speed it says nothing, if I go over the max speed I've set for speed warning it bongs. If I use the speed limiter  it bongs when I go over the speed  I've set for the limiter- for example coasting down hill or resuming as I enter a 40 limit while still doing 45 mph.

Not sure how it works, but have noticed the speed shown on my dash is different to that shown on my old plug in satnav e.g. 60 on dash but showing 58 on satnav. Had similar with my old Karoq e.g 70mph on dash and 66mph on old satnav. Think it's something to do with manufacturers protecting their backsides. RAC chap said the satnav was the more accurate but am sticking to dashboard mph.