I think this is he problem' date=' the unblinkered and unwaving loyalty to Skoda on this site (which you are fairly well rediculed for, not by me, but I can understand what they say).

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Ay? What are you on about? :confused:

Think you need to read a few more threads and posts in here chum and you'll find a great number of very complimentary comments on a wide variety of other manufactures offerings.

Why actually did you join this forum if we are "fairly well ridiculed...not by you, but you can understand what THEY :confused: say" You obviously don't seem to like what you read.

Ay? What are you on about? :confused:

Think you need to read a few more threads and posts in here chum and you'll find a great number of very complimentary comments on a wide variety of other manufactures offerings.

Why actually did you join this forum if we are "fairly well ridiculed...not by you' date=' but you can understand what THEY :confused: say" You obviously don't seem to like what you read.[/quote']

I joined here because I have the savvy to make my own opinions and I don't need people to tell me which sites I should or should not be using. I joined here in January 2004 anyway, before I heard anything bad about this topic. To be honest i'm not generally liking what I read on here, I was directed here by one of your members who has now realised you'll knock anything if it doesn't have a green squid on the front grille, as this topic will testify.

Take a look at SEATCupra.net, or UK-MKIVs.net, Audi-sport.net or any other VAG enthusiast site. None of them are laughing on the back of someone elses misery and they aren't willing to write-off a fantastic car because of a small setback. You are in no position to redicule VW/Audi/SEAT for recalls and vice-versa.

Oh dear' date=' the Golf GTI has a recall.

It seems you may have forgot the days when all your wonderfully engineered Octavia vRSs broke down when the coilpacks went. :p[/quote']

I seem to recall the the coil epidemic was VAG wide not just Skoda but all 1.8T's with a certain coil pack hailing from the Farther land.

I joined here because I have the savvy to make my own opinions and I don't need people to tell me which sites I should or should not be using. I joined here in January 2004 anyway' date=' before I heard anything bad about this topic. To be honest i'm not generally liking what I read on here, I was directed here by one of your members who has now realised you'll knock anything if it doesn't have a green squid on the front grille, as this topic will testify.

Take a look at SEATCupra.net, or UK-MKIVs.net, Audi-sport.net or any other VAG enthusiast site. None of them are laughing on the back of someone elses misery and they aren't willing to write-off a fantastic car because of a small setback. You are in no position to redicule VW/Audi/SEAT for recalls and vice-versa.[/quote']

I'm not telling you which sites you should be using. It's a free world, and EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinion.

Think, to put it quite simply, you'll find that the vast majority of owners of the "green squid" as you so quaintly call it ... is actually quite funny that...have such high regard because of the fantastic value for money that the marque represents. The VW range as good as it may be, doesn't offer that very important factor. Even the dealers (I work amongst them all by the way) think thay are grossly overpriced.

I wasn't aware of the recall that the new Golf has had, and as a Skoda owner it doesn't really bother or affect me. ALL manufactureres have recalls..even Rolls and Bentley! No big deal IMHO.

Anyway, I suggest as Des said, that we all calm down and look forward to more peaceful offerings in here. Cheers!

I joined here because I have the savvy to make my own opinions and I don't need people to tell me which sites I should or should not be using. I joined here in January 2004 anyway' date=' before I heard anything bad about this topic. To be honest i'm not generally liking what I read on here, I was directed here by one of your members who has now realised you'll knock anything if it doesn't have a green squid on the front grille, as this topic will testify.

Take a look at SEATCupra.net, or UK-MKIVs.net, Audi-sport.net or any other VAG enthusiast site. None of them are laughing on the back of someone elses misery and they aren't willing to write-off a fantastic car because of a small setback. You are in no position to redicule VW/Audi/SEAT for recalls and vice-versa.[/quote']

Didn't think anyone was writing off anything, just saying it's over priced. Not just a Skoda opinion I might add. Fantastic car it certainly is, value for money it certainly is NOT. Just hope Skoda can show VW the way it should be done when the time comes or will VAG intervene once more, just incase, Tudor .

At least the VW owners with more money than sense get to iron out all the problems with the engine before Skoda get hold of it and put it in a decent car

Iron out all the problems with the engine that THEY designed?

Then put it in a car that is a re skin of the brilliant new floorpan that THEY created?

The finished car that is then badged Skoda but is 90% VW.

How terrible the vw designers and engineers are... how we are so glad that the skoda bodymakers..whoops...I mean engineers.. are so much better.

I only deal in facts and here are the facts.

I have a friend who works at VW (Aylesford)' date=' he's a salesman.

I HAVE driven the GTi.

It is a good car but is grossly over priced.

Yes it does go around bends but at speed it wallows and understeers.

Then we went out in my lowly RS which my m8 had to agree out performed it in EVERY department. Including the conveniently glossed over price even with all the mods.

20K don't forget is without DSG.

You see with all the hype I wanted one of these, that is untill I was told the price and drove it. That is what badges like this (GTi) are all about, hype.

Some people still don't get it. :thumbdwn:[/quote']

I love these deluded people threads... wish I could afford the new GTI.. these almost hysterical rantings against it (sorry "facts") are highly amusing.

The new ocky vrs will be about 20% cheaper when it arrives and the equiv A3 is about 20% more. Pay your money and take your choice.

Sorry to tell you this but the new VAG models will be better than the old ones - including the existing (nearly obselete now) Ockty VRS.

these almost hysterical rantings against it (sorry "facts") are highly amusing.

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Hysterical? :confused:sorry, must have missed that bit. Amusing! well no not really, unless you like being ripped off.

Hysterical? :confused: Amusing! well no not really, unless you like being ripped off.

Ripped off compared to what? The next Ockty Vrs will be better value but that is not out yet. Current Ocky is a good car compared to previous Golf but not as good as new GTI which has far more sophisticted suspension layout, much more modern interior, better engine (almost zero turbo lag and gorgeous noise), 5 star NCAP crash rating...need I go on?

Yes I have driven one, only 20 or so miles and it was new...still it was fabulous and so nothing like the one described earlier on this thread.

"There are none so blind as those who wish not to see"

sorry, haven't got time to reel off the names and models of 'lesser' cars for lesser money. Got an excellent value for money car to clean. :P

Not saying...ONCE AGAIN..anyone reading? ..that the new golf gti is a bad car, I'm sure it's very good, just that the price does seem a bit on the '**** Turpin side'. Even some of the main dealer staff agree with that...sorry if these 'factual/hysterical/biased/deluded' comments upset you, but that's just the way it appears to be to the majority of us so called biased green squid love that...owners and outsiders beside.

Well, to be fair. Golfs have always been on the expensive side and with the amount of development this particular model has had (it's not as if they've just lobbed in a Turbo'd engine like last time) the price is fairly reasonable. Sorry for stating the obvious, but if you spend allot of money developing a car, your gonna usually sell it at a higher price to make profit on it.

The only car thats been on the new GTi's level in the last few years has been the Focus RS and Ford sold every one of those at a loss, just to prove they can still make a decent hot hatch.

I love these deluded people threads... wish I could afford the new GTI.. these almost hysterical rantings against it (sorry "facts") are highly amusing.

The new ocky vrs will be about 20% cheaper when it arrives and the equiv A3 is about 20% more. Pay your money and take your choice.

Sorry to tell you this but the new VAG models will be better than the old ones - including the existing (nearly obselete now) Ockty VRS.

Don't know what your driving at but speaking as deluded, hysterically ranting Skoda driver as we all are I'd just like to say the new Golf GTi is over priced, in Hysterical ranting sort of way of course.

I'm no millionaire but I think I could stretch to a GTi. Just wish to spend my money more wisely that's all, sorry for ranting.

"sorry if these 'factual/hysterical/biased/deluded' comments upset you"

Apology accepted, facts are provable things, not just things we happen to believe in. It is a fact that the new Golf is being praised widely. It is a fact that you do not praise it very highly. It is NOT a fact that the current Ockty VRS is a better car, that is the OPINION of Delac and his mate the VW salesman. Using the term "fact" repeatedly in a sentence does not actually make any of the claims true facts unless they have some provable sustance.

"but that's just the way it appears to be to the majority of us"

Here we are again, opinion dressed up as fact - from what I can tell "most" Briskodians have not had an opportunity to express their views. Perhaps the majority really admire the new Golf GTI. When new Ockty VRS comes out I may buy one. Or I may go Golf. Both will be very good, one will cost more but may be worth more second hand when time comes to sell. Difficult choice.

Well' date=' to be fair. Golfs have always been on the expensive side and with the amount of development this particular model has had (it's not as if they've just lobbed in a Turbo'd engine like last time) the price is fairly reasonable. Sorry for stating the obvious, but if you spend allot of money developing a car, your gonna usually sell it at a higher price to make profit on it.

The only car thats been on the new GTi's level in the last few years has been the Focus RS and Ford sold every one of those at a loss, just to prove they can still make a decent hot hatch.[/quote']

The Ford Fucus RS, you are joking aren't you. Have you seen how many are for sale second hand.

"sorry if these 'factual/hysterical/biased/deluded' comments upset you"

Apology accepted' date=' facts are provable things, not just things we happen to believe in. It is a fact that the new Golf is being praised widely. It is a fact that you do not praise it very highly. It is NOT a fact that the current Ockty VRS is a better car, that is the OPINION of Delac and his mate the VW salesman. Using the term "fact" repeatedly in a sentence does not actually make any of the claims true facts unless they have some provable sustance.

"but that's just the way it appears to be to the majority of us"

Here we are again, opinion dressed up as fact - from what I can tell "most" Briskodians have not had an opportunity to express their views. Perhaps the majority really admire the new Golf GTI. When new Ockty VRS comes out I may buy one. Or I may go Golf. Both will be very good, one will cost more but may be worth more second hand when time comes to sell. Difficult choice.[/quote']

Quite easy really, don't get conned with a VW. Sorry!

"sorry for ranting"

Your apology accepted too, my apology fro getting your "name" wrong. I love my Skoda, great car. New Golf is too. It is EXPENSIVE but how can it be OVERPRICED when the first batch have been sold out for months? Back to facts again, if it costs too much it will not sell... seems to be selling like hotcakes!

The Ford Fucus RS, you are joking aren't you. Have you seen how many are for sale second hand.

Thats kinda irrelevant, they still sold them at a loss.

"sorry for ranting"

Your apology accepted too' date=' my apology fro getting your "name" wrong. I love my Skoda, great car. New Golf is too. It is EXPENSIVE but how can it be OVERPRICED when the first batch have been sold out for months? Back to facts again, if it costs too much it will not sell... seems to be selling like hotcakes![/quote']

I was going to buy one going by all the reviews, but I wanted DSG at the very least. This puts it in the 22K bracket. :eek:

You mentioned the the Focus RS, look what happened to that. The media hyped it up as the best thing ........People stepped over each other to get one but now are dropping them like a very hot thing. It's enough to make your blood boil.

Well this has made my post count go up.

Well this has made my post count go up.

And your boiling blood pressure?

Oh opinions opinions..sorry are they facts as I see them? :confused:

Cheers from the self opinionated but factual in my.... opinion..sorry factual..green squid owner.

LOL....nothing like a few Trolls to warm up the bottom the the year .

For me, the badge on a car is irrelevant. The fact I drive a Skoda (and not even an Octy) is neither here nor there (The fact that the manager of my local VW van centre wants a Superb over a Passat is). However, if people are foolish enough to pay over the odds money for a car just because of some badge just proves how shallow we are, and vice versa with lesser prices and badges.

If by driving a Skoda that also means I am blinkered to thinking they are the best cars, and by frequenting this forum reinforces that view then I would suggest you confuse me with the blinkered masses.

I buy and run a car for certain reasons, usually being purchase and running costs, usability and comfort of 4 passengers..and that is it.

Prior to owning my first Skoda (an Octy) I had always had VW, but its to VW,s shame that their salesmen appear to think their cars in a league with Rolls Royce and have an attitude to match.

Now if VW could install a reasonable attitude in their sales teams, and price their cars more realistically rather than what they hope the badge conscious British public will pay then I might be enticed back..till then I wont (and if Skoda drop the Superb I wont be with Skoda next time either).

Who you calling a troll you whiskey ridden old trout! :P Get back in your cellar...and pass me one up while you're there.

The FACT...not just opinion, of VW owners and employees that I speak to is that generally not only are their products overpriced, but both the quality and reliability has gone down in recent years too sadly. Not saying any car is perfect, but they do seem to be going in the wrong direction at present.P'raps they are improving again...time will surely tell

Who you calling a troll you whiskey ridden old trout! :P Get back in your cellar...and pass me one up while you're there.

The FACT...not just opinion' date=' of VW owners and employees that I speak to is that generally not only are their products overpriced, but both the quality and reliability has gone down in recent years too sadly. Not saying any car is perfect, but they do seem to be going in the wrong direction at present.P'raps they are improving again...time will surely tell[/quote']

Behave yourself you jealous of my whisky stash old man , I wasnt aiming any of the Troll thing at you

Just to remind you Colin, I agree 100% VW badged cars are well over priced. Why would you spean all that money on a Golf that has a GTI badge, when the Audi A3 isnt much dearer...and those 4 rings are far more desireable than a blue and white VW badge.

All will become cleaer soon when the VAG board change the group name to Auto Union anyway.

The FACT...not just opinion' date=' of VW owners and employees that I speak to is that generally not only are their products overpriced, but both the quality and reliability has gone down in recent years too sadly. [/quote']

Lovely Paradox you've got going there...

Why would you spean all that money on a Golf that has a GTI badge' date=' when the Audi A3 isnt much dearer...and those 4 rings are far more desireable than a blue and white VW badge.

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Are you insane?!?! The A3 is much more expensive that the Golf!