After being "out of the office" today, I come back to this!! Wowsers!

My 2p...

I drive a Skoda because I don't want to spend a lot on a car at the moment, but I want good build quality and decent performance.

Skoda fits the bill perfectly for that.

However, if I did want to spend more money, then obviously I would look elsewhere for a car.

I'm not slating Skoda's here, but damnit, they're not the best cars in the world!

The build quality is good, but it's not the best, is it?

The interior plastics are good, but they're not the best, are they?

The exterior design isn't bad, but they're not the prettiest cars in the lot, are they?

I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but Skoda's are a compromise...

You get a good car, for good money.

The new GTi or A3, on the other hand, are better cars for more money.

I drive a skoda, so I should know... You cannot directly compare a Skoda to a VW. They may share a lot of things, but they are cheaper for a reason. It's not JUST the badge that you're paying for with a VW... The residuals of the VW will be stronger, some parts will be higher quality on the VW etc etc...

Look, if you want to take the mik out of someone with too much money, lay off our VW/Audi-owning brethren... Just point and laugh hysterically at the next BMW 1 Series owner you see!

Peace my brothers!

u guys still don't get the main point it's 20k for a 200bhp car yeah it's a nice car but ****ing hell it's 20,000 pounds u can get a Ctr for 15k 5k cheeper and it's faster and alot better looking car even a curpa r is faster and cheaper than the gti and thats made by same company as well u could even spend a bit more money and get a evo 8 260 for like 4k more and u can't tell me someone would choose the gti over the evo 8 would just be mad!!!

Leon...

It's not all about speed mate.

The new GTi or A3, on the other hand, are better cars for more money.

But are they? As previously posted, 99.9% of the components are the same, so other than the Golf and A3 having smaller boots and costing more than the Octy, how are they different?

Just point and laugh hysterically at the next BMW 1 Series owner you see!

Dunno...if I had £20k to spend on a small hatch, I'd probably opt for one of these over a Golf/Audi...

Rob.

Amen Josh :-)

Rightio, must be off, I'm down the local Hyundai dealer tomorrow to secure myself a lovely Accent 'Sport'. Sure, I had my mind on an RS6, but the Hyundai just wins hands down because its £50,000 cheaper. Who would've thought it? A Hyundai that is better looking, handling, better interior quality and to top it off that lovely 1.5 engine blows that 4.2 V8 lump away! Who would've thought price could dictate the quality of car you get!?!

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But are they? As previously posted, 99.9% of the components are the same, so other than the Golf and A3 having smaller boots and costing more than the Octy, how are they different?

*slaps forehead* I said 99% of the shared components were built in the same factory, not 99% of the car ;-)

barrie502 , all views are allowed , and we are all basically driving similar cars in similar guises .........

From a personal point of view , I think it's good that the 2.0 litre FSI turbo engine is being tried in the Golf GTI , and all the problems that are associated with a new car and engine should be sorted by the time it gets put in the Octy vRS ..........

I appreciate that the GTI is VW's flagship hot hatch , and as such was always going to get that engine first ..............but as far as I'm concerned , I'm more than happy with that .

ok if its not about speed get ure self a diesel just don't think the gti is worth 20k seen it driven it u don't even get nice seats! have to pay 1400 quid for leather seats!

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5 year warranty on a Hyundai though...big selling point to a lot of people... :rubchin:

*slaps forehead* I said 99% of the shared components, not 99% of the car ;-)

Well, what percentage of the components are shared? I'm sure it's pretty high...

Rob.

Leon

I have a diesel! hehehe

Well' date=' what percentage of the components are shared? I'm sure it's pretty high...

Rob.[/quote']

Bugger! Beat me to the editing button

yeah i know u do but for 20k u would expect more car than a golf!!!!

2004 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVO VIII 260 (PRE-REGISTERED)4 Doors, Manual 5 speed, Saloon, Petrol, 0 miles. 3 Years Manufacturers Warranty, 3 Years Road Side Assistance, ABS, Air-Conditioning, alarm, Alloy Wheels, Body Coloured Bumpers, Central Door Locking, Cloth Trim, Driver & Passenger Air Bags, Electric Adjustable Mirrors, Electric Windows, Immobiliser, Leather Steering Wheel, Power-Assisted Steering, rear spoiler, Remote Locking, Single CD, Sports Seats. Available in Silver, Yellow, Black, Red, Blue and White - there is an extra charge for metallic paint. Visit our Ralliart page on our website for further model and price information. £20,000.

now thats a mans car

gti is for someone who has too much money and doesn't know what to buy either that or wants it for a company car and wants to get the money back after 3 years!!!

the point still being if it was 15-16k then it would be worth it and competive! but it's not cos of the price and the low spec u get i.e no dsg no leather seats the rest yeah is fine but u expect more!

Bugger! Beat me to the editing button

Indeed...still, the point's much the same...

Aren't most of the the components outsourced to third party factories anyway? So people like Bosch and various Chinese companies will manufacture components for several car makers, so 99% of the components are probably made in the same factories as the components for a lot of other manufacturers, let alone just within the VAG group...

Rob.

gti is for someone who has too much money and doesn't know what to buy either that or wants it for a company car and wants to get the money back after 3 years!!!

Or someone who wants something a bit subtle so they don't get carjacked?

Rob.

I thought I'd have a blast on this thread as I'm now an ex octavia vrs owner but still think it was the best car I ever owned.

What we need to remember is that £19,999 is just the starting point I've just specced one up to be equivalent to my current car and it totals £24,730. My current car is a bmw 320 sport which after a bit of haggling I bought for £24k (new) from a main dealer. Now I know the new golf may be good but it is not in the small excutive sector of the market and given the choice of the two cars I know which one I'd rather have. To put it bluntly in my opinion the new gti is just a bit to big for it's boots and over priced by 3k. I intend keeping the bmw for 12 -18months and then hopefully a new more practical sports hatch will be out that will have 5 doors as standard (not a £500 extra) and a more sensible price of £16.5 to £17k if not I'll stick with what I've got and the few briskoda members that I've seen since going to the dark side will vouch for how nice my car looks (and yes the indicators do work)

Indeed...still' date=' the point's much the same...

Aren't most of the the components outsourced to third party factories anyway? So people like Bosch and various Chinese companies will manufacture components for several car makers, so 99% of the components are probably made in the same factories as the components for a lot of other manufacturers, let alone just within the VAG group...

Rob.[/quote']

Yup, Indeed. Which is why I don't understand how Skoda owners can mock VW when reliability issues occur. For example; Brake Servo pipes, Ignition Coils and creaking anti-roll bars. :rubchin:

Allot of the plastics are made by the same companies too, but side by side you can tell the VW/Audi/Skoda comparrison in quality;

http://www.olho-technik.de/OLHO_Website_engl/05%20Air%20Vents.htm

Ah you delusional Octy drivers are all the same with your rantings and, and stuff.

Oh and your blinkered because you don't like getting ripped off you, you cheap as chips Skoda lot that use the same VAG parts with your bigger and better equipped cars.

Yup, Indeed. Which is why I don't understand how Skoda owners can mock VW when reliability issues occur. For example; Brake Servo pipes, Ignition Coils and creaking anti-roll bars. :rubchin:

All VAG parts.

Yup, Indeed. Which is why I don't understand how Skoda owners can mock VW when reliability issues occur. For example; Brake Servo pipes, Ignition Coils and creaking anti-roll bars. :rubchin:

Because these faults come with a lower price tag. Or, to look at it another way - paying £2k extra for VW "reliability", which in reality is no better than the Skoda's.

After years of being patronisingly told that my Skoda is "OK now", as it's "got VW reliability", I have to wonder...

And yes, a lot of the plastics in the Golf and Audi are probably nicer...but I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks "good quality" and "plastics" is a bit of a contradiction in terms when talking about car interiors. The extra money still gets you plastics...

Rob.

All VAG parts.

Your quick aren't you?

Because these faults come with a lower price tag. Or' date=' to look at it another way - paying £2k extra for VW "reliability", which in reality is no better than the Skoda's.

After years of being patronisingly told that my Skoda is "OK now", as it's "got VW reliability", I have to wonder...

And yes, a lot of the plastics in the Golf and Audi are probably nicer...but I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks "good quality" and "plastics" is a bit of a contradiction in terms when talking about car interiors. The extra money still gets you plastics...

Rob.[/quote']

Glad we can agree to agree on something! and I do fully see your point, but its the 'Skoda is just a cheap VW tag' which irritates me.

Put it this way, I considered a VRS at one point (I currenty own a new Sport Polo) but aside from the 'common' factor the other reason I didn't get it was because it lacked something the VW had. Interior Quality and design touches; these obviously mean nothing to Skoda owners (and I wouldn't blame them otherwise) but I'll stick with my damped grab handles, better interior plastics, 'invisible' roof channels and hidden window guides. They just add to the final package for me This is not me on a pro VW rant either. Josh and Toxxin tested the GT, VRS and Ibiza Sport TDi against each other and they all agreed the VW won on quality. Whether you want to pay for that 'extra' quality is up to you.

Rant over!

Anyway, to the original point, thats why your paying a premium for the GTi.

Interior Quality and design touches; these obviously mean nothing to Skoda owners (and I wouldn't blame them otherwise) but I'll stick with my damped grab handles' date=' better interior plastics, 'invisible' roof channels and hidden window guides.

Anyway, to the original point, thats why your paying a premium for the GTi.[/quote']

*But*...comparing a Mk4 S to a Skoda Ambiente, there didn't seem all that much difference. Plastic steering wheel, door card much the same, door handles the same, most of the switchgear was the same (except on the *ahem* tape player on the Golf ), and the dashboard was still a big slab of grey plastic. May have been better plastic, but it's still a big slab of grey stuff. Seats not perceptively different, dashboard backlights were blue rather than green.

The Mk5 GTi may well be a different kettle of fish, but £20k+ for a small family hatch? Just doesn't seem right to me...

Rob.

All,

Got more money than sense ?

Buy a BMW 1 series

Job done you win

This thread still going??

May I suggest the person concerned who raves over better quality plasyics and dampened grab handles to have a close look at a Superb as well as a Passat and then tell me that the Passat is better put together, has more classy touches and better quality plastics because judging from the reactions I have had from VW dealer staff to mine they all agree the Superb is better specced, put together and for a much better price.

I might also suggest he check the OTR price for a Golf GTI to be £19995 as stated by the VW web site...FACT.

Lets be honest here, no-one will ever admit they dont like what they bought or to buying a crap buy. However,if the person concerned is so incensed by the fact that plenty on this site fail to see the wondeful value (sik) of a Golf GTI then as stated before the person doesnt have to keep logging in...if I dont like a TV program there is always the off button.

This is after all a Skoda owners forum, so why should the person expect everyone to diss their own Skodas whatever the badge on them?

The only person looking silly is he.

C.J Wake Up !

Sorry Stathap, and now I've just noticed I'm the 100th poster on here! Think I deserve that acclaimation after all the hard work I've done over the last 24 hrs of trying to keep the peace and balance.

Had my unofficial mods head on today/yesterday

Did I succeed though? Tomorrow will tell. Can I hear the tinkling of locks and chains I ask?