Sorry, but there is no Legislation to allow that.

 

There is actually. Google VW California and you'll find a lot of the early models were registered and classed as M1 Diesel Car. VW realised the mistake, recalled all the V5 log book and got them all changed to Motorcaravans with lower VED.

Labs tests are lab tests & mean nothing in the real world.......................

 

 

 

Just look at quoted MPG figures......................

 

 

Also that prove that even in the real world that VAG are more "green" than other cars...........................like I said & others have said.............all the other manufactures will be poo-ing themselves because it will affect them if they get found out & looking at those figures for Mazda how the hell will they be able to de-tune that engine down?.................

 

 

 

The point of the figures from the Norwegian study is if/when this turns into a full EU inquiry as called for by politicians in the UK, France and Germany it's going to expose far more manufacturers who have technology that just fools lab tests but pollute heavily on the road.

 

This is going to be very messy for diesel engined motors.

What happens when VW take the car back and find the ECU has been modified and the DPF removed??? Could they leave you high and dry?

 

Also, if NOx emmisions are now under scrutininy are more stringent tests going to beome part of the MOT or random roadside testing is used to prove the CAT/DPF is still in place? The EGR system is there to reduce NOx after all. Are all modified cars in for a rough ride???

What happens when VW take the car back and find the ECU has been modified and the DPF removed??? Could they leave you high and dry?

 

Also, if NOx emmisions are now under scrutininy are more stringent tests going to beome part of the MOT or random roadside testing is used to prove the CAT/DPF is still in place? The EGR system is there to reduce NOx after all. Are all modified cars in for a rough ride???

Yes and yes.

No, when Skoda were forced to recall the PD170 engined vRS by (at that time VOSA) to replace the injectors this was done regardless of what the car had done.

 

Heavily modified cars and those without DPF's were still repaired, as were those with missing service history.

 

If the DVSA issue a recall here in the UK a missing DPF won't allow Skoda to reject the car, unless the DPF is an integral part of the work carried out under the recall.

 

Do we honestly think affected cars here in the UK will be recalled? I'm not convinced.

Technical Interlude 

 

If VW decide to fix this, by enabling the 'proper' emission control parameters from the ECU, the BIG question is, how well will the emission control hardware be able to cope? If it has been designed to cope with the 'naughty' control levels, then soot build up in the DPF will be drastically increased, MPG will drop, and performance is going to take a huge hit.

 

This leaves the consumer with a vehicle that is drastically different from what they thought they had purchased. That has to a be a breach of sale of goods act. With that in mind, I think this will all go away, swept under the rug of bureaucracy in Europe at least.  On the other hand, America will destroy VW (several class action law suites already launched.)

 

The diesel engine will be demonised, no one will care that a single flight from New York To California sticks out  4,230 lb of CO₂

 

_{Oh well, back to a petrol car in a few years.}   

No, when Skoda were forced to recall the PD170 engined vRS by (at that time VOSA) to replace the injectors this was done regardless of what the car had done.

 

Heavily modified cars and those without DPF's were still repaired, as were those with missing service history.

 

If the DVSA issue a recall here in the UK a missing DPF won't allow Skoda to reject the car, unless the DPF is an integral part of the work carried out under the recall.

 

Do we honestly think affected cars here in the UK will be recalled? I'm not convinced.

Different rules now mate, but I agree it's unlikely to be a recall in the UK.

What happens when VW take the car back and find the ECU has been modified and the DPF removed??? Could they leave you high and dry?

Also, if NOx emmisions are now under scrutininy are more stringent tests going to beome part of the MOT or random roadside testing is used to prove the CAT/DPF is still in place? The EGR system is there to reduce NOx after all. Are all modified cars in for a rough ride???

https://www.eta.co.uk/2015/06/10/mot-test-to-get-tougher/

Cracking documentary about the history of diesel engines on BBC4 at the moment. 

This is the most recent statement on vw's website. Found it quite reassuring and may stop the scare mongering. The part about euro 6 is pretty definitive.

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/about-us/news/688/latest-statement-from-volkswagen-

Edited 23 September, 201510 yr by MrAdamwood

This is the most recent statement on vw's website. Found it quite reassuring and may stop the scare mongering. The part about euro 6 is pretty definitive.

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/about-us/news/688/latest-statement-from-volkswagen-

Thanks for that, very interesting. 

Nice, but the 11 Million engines talked about were not Euro 6 though were they,

so when is there going to be an announcement on Euro 5 engines.

Nice, but the 11 Million engines talked about were not Euro 6 though were they,

so when is there going to be an announcement on Euro 5 engines.

Most likely after they have traced all of the ECU and firmware numbers, that contain the 'rogue' software. VAG will have a database that contains the number of ECU's that were flashed with the dodgy software. Each ECU will have to be matched to a VIN number and then the cars can be re-called. 

Exactly,

so that Euro6 Statement is for the sake of Dealership and Volkswagen sales, nothing to do with assuring owners of vehicles over 1 year old.

 

Not 'rogue'  or anything like that,

it is 'Factory Standard'  Management Approved and yes the Serial Numbers will be there on Volkswagens Databases,

'Worlds biggest car seller in the first 6 months of 2015'  

Not Kerb Side Autos.

Here's the official EPA saga

http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/d0cf6618525a9efb85257359003fb69d/dfc8e33b5ab162b985257ec40057813b!opendocument

 

Now read the following quote from that document

It is incumbent upon Volkswagen to initiate the process that will fix the cars’ emissions systems. Car owners should know that although these vehicles have emissions exceeding standards, these violations do not present a safety hazard and the cars remain legal to drive and resell. Owners of cars of these models and years do not need to take any action at this time.

 

 

Absolutely

It will take a v long time for this to wash out and life goes on for the innocent at least.

 

And this is the point that I was making earlier. Even less will happen in the UK.  We could be looking at 10% of the diesel cars in the UK from all manufacturers having a problem. That is just over a million cars. A government can't afford to be on the wrong side of an argument and it wouldn't pick a fight with so many existing owners and force recalls etc, particularly when these cars will all pass the MOT even with dodgy mapping, because Nox are not measured here.  Anything that happens will be voluntary for owners and VW will have to pick up the pieces for those owners who do want to do something. The government might fine VW but they are already dropping hints that they want an EU solution, which as we know will likely take years and with Germany in the ascendancy in the EU could get heavily watered down anyway.

Exactly,

so that Euro6 Statement is for the sake of Dealership and Volkswagen sales, nothing to do with assuring owners of vehicles over 1 year old.

I get your point, but VW have to at least try damage limitation. I have spent the day researching this, and discovered that all car manufacturers have been fiddling the figures, and in the case of the UK, have been encouraged to do so! Yes VW really went the full hog by developing an ECU that could fool those clever Americans, but everyone has been over inflating tyres, taping up door shuts, removing nearside wing mirrors, to give fake MPG and emission data.

 

VW has promised to fix all effected vehicles, but that will likely be limited to cars sold to the California market. If it can be shown, that the rest of their cars are no worse than all other brands in real world driving, there would be no case to answer, or, every car manufacturer would have to recall every car ever made.

LOL.

Case solved then, why do the Authorities not just call you.?

 

VW were denying there was an issue for a year while they knew there was, 

so why this 'External Investigation' rubbish,  over the last year Martin Winterkorn must have found out all the answers internally.

 

After all in 1 day of researching you know everyone is at it.

So what about all those cows trying to kill me with their emissions?

So what about all those cows trying to kill me with their emissions?

I'm sure the farmers fiddle their emissions too!

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Nice, but the 11 Million engines talked about were not Euro 6 though were they,

so when is there going to be an announcement on Euro 5 engines.

I meant it's reassuring for those people that have just brought or ordered new cars to see that the euro 6 is fully compliant and not affected. It can also be reassuring to have vw say that if your car is found to be affected they will fix it. But also there may be people out there who are worried and panicing that there is something 'wrong' with their car when there's not, it's purely emissions related and totally safe to drive. Does the car drive any differently to how it did last week?

The whole situation is being media hyped out of all proportion just because it's vw if it was the Great Wall car company would we be bothered?

TGV is electric is it not?   Power by EDF nuclear power stations mainly as is Holland and much of the UK.  Soon be Chinese pressurized water reactors if this government has its way.  I would not buy a Chinese tyre never mind want a Chinese power station within a thousand miles of me.

I see youve conveniently missed answering with regard to you Reading train or the ones in Benelux...

Care to enlighten us as to their diesel or otherwise credentials?

So what about all those cows trying to kill me with their emissions?

Termites are worse.

Hopefully cars in the UK etc. are found to be OK or if not, nothing is done by VW to mess with them. Not being anti-environment and peoples lives here just putting it into perspective i.e. recent diesels are much cleaner than they used to be and it should be more of an issue to get those old serious polluters off the road. 

 

Anyway my main point was to be about compensation. Firstly, your point about Adblue assumes that owners are not already driving in a manner to achieve good/maximum MPG! And if they are it will be impossible not easy to recover the additional costs.   

 

Secondly, if the car has to be modified to meet the standards and as a result of this the drivability and power was affected then I would be very unhappy. I'm assuming this is a very real possibility if work is required because if not why was the cheat needed and in normal use the engines not allowed to run in full emissions mode.

 

I would be very unhappy because if you test drive and buy a car and are happy with it's performance and then something is done by VW out of your control and not your fault then you would be justified in feeling miffed, particularly with the lower powered 110PS engines like mine. I knew what I was buying and it suits my needs but I wouldn't be happy if the performance was reduced as it is only adequate in todays commuter traffic. It would be different of course if part of the "fix" was to maintain the power output etc.

 

As said aplenty though, this is all conjecture at the moment and it will be very interesting to see how all this pans out.   

 

It's certainly set the forums alight and those that are already tired of the discussion know what they can do - in a pleasant way - don't visit the thread! It's their choice!

Fair points but I doubt a UK recall will occur and even if it were to I don't doubt it would be at the owners discretion as the issue is not safety related.

LOL.

Case solved then, why do the Authorities not just call you.?

 

VW were denying there was an issue for a year while they knew there was, 

so why this 'External Investigation' rubbish,  over the last year Martin Winterkorn must have found out all the answers internally.

 

After all in 1 day of researching you know everyone is at it.

At £3000 an hour they wont call me 

As for the inner workings and who knew what at VW, anyone's guess at this point in time. One article suggests it could be small batch of 'rogue' technicians, depends how high technical ability extends through the management regime. 

Hope you or anyone you know does not suffer from asthma and other breathing issues, you might care more then.

I do have asthma sufferers in my family and they are not bothered by this vw issue in the slightest.