On Sunday I put a deposit down on a Superb 2.0 tdci which has the affected engine. I haven't picked the car up yet and I'm in two minds what to do. If I refuse the car because of what has been revealed am I covered by the sale of goods act so I can get my deposit back? Or if I continue with the purchase, is the car now worth a lot less than I'll pay for it? Any advice/opinion would be very welcome. Thanks.

 

I expect you could get your money back as noone really knows the state of the situation in the UK right now and they might not want to risk any issues. I have seen others saying they have successfully cancelled elsewhere. I would expect the value to drop quite a bit in the near future so you may be able to buy it again later for less, or find another cheaper.

Some NO figures from the UK VCA.  Some hugely different figures....    http://carfueldata.dft.gov.uk/downloads/download.aspx?rg=aug2015

 

Manufacturer Model Description Transmission Engine Capacity                                    Fuel Type Emissions NOx [mg/km]

VOLKSWAGEN Polo 1.0 75PS Stop-Start M5 999                                                                  Petrol 12

VOLKSWAGEN Jetta 2.0 TDI 110PS 7speed DSG BlueMotion Technology D7 1968                                     Diesel 16

VOLKSWAGEN Scirocco 2.0 TSI 220PS Stop-Start M6 1984                                                        Petrol 25

VOLKSWAGEN Polo 1.4 TDI 75PS BlueMotion M5 1422                                                             Diesel 28

VOLKSWAGEN Golf GTI 2.0 TFSI 220PS 3 / 5 door DSG Stop-Start D6 1984                                        Petrol 29

VOLKSWAGEN Tiguan 1.4 TFSI 125PS Stop-Start M6 1395                                                         Petrol 39

VOLKSWAGEN Touareg 3.0 V6 TDI BMT SCR 262PS 4MOTION 8speed Tiptronic QA8 2967                               Diesel 39

VOLKSWAGEN Golf 1.4 FSI 150PS 3 door Stop-Start M6 1395                                                     Petrol 40

VOLKSWAGEN Touareg 3.0 V6 TDI BMT SCR 204PS 4MOTION 8speed Tiptronic QA8 2967                               Diesel 42

VOLKSWAGEN Golf SV 2.0 TDI 150PS DSG Stop-Start SE D6 1968                                                  Diesel 63

VOLKSWAGEN Golf 2.0 TDI 184PS 3 door DSG Stop-Start GTD D6 1968                                             Diesel 71

 

And your point is precisely what?

Anyone else bored witless with this story now?

 

Yep! ... We all need to see what comes out of the investigation.. I suspect the biggest problems will be in the US, Canada and some Asian countries like Japan that have stricter emission laws... 

 

There are now comments in the press that the German Government knew about this.. of course they will deny this but it does seem possible to me, after all they want to see German cars sold... 

 

I do not think it is wise to speculate at this time, I can really see other manufactures being tested and found out in the future, VW were found out, they will not be the only one!

 

Lets all calm down, and wait and see... The press have done what they like, made a sensational story that has started panic....that is what they are good at! 

On Sunday I put a deposit down on a Superb 2.0 tdci which has the affected engine. I haven't picked the car up yet and I'm in two minds what to do. If I refuse the car because of what has been revealed am I covered by the sale of goods act so I can get my deposit back? Or if I continue with the purchase, is the car now worth a lot less than I'll pay for it? Any advice/opinion would be very welcome. Thanks.

 

Why would you cancel?  Do you like the car? (surely there was more to your choice than just emissions)?  If so then I'd suggest the depreciation hit your going to take on a new car through use and wear and tear will far outweigh any extra over as a result of this bad-press etc...

Anyone else bored witless with this story now?

 

Yes - too many people going PAAANNNIIICCC!!!

I expect you could get your money back as noone really knows the state of the situation in the UK right now and they might not want to risk any issues. I have seen others saying they have successfully cancelled elsewhere. I would expect the value to drop quite a bit in the near future so you may be able to buy it again later for less, or find another cheaper.

 

Why cancel... as it stands it does not apply to Seat or Skoda, or any UK or European car, only VW and Audi in the US... the software on the ECU may be different even though the engine is the same .... You could walk into another manufacture, buy a car and then they get found out they are doing the same.... I suspect it will happen... 

And your point is precisely what?

 

Concern about driving a car that is contributing to thousands of early deaths. 

Anyone else bored witless with this story now?

To be honest, I'm not bored with it, but I'm kinda fed up with all the crap people are spouting about things which they know very little about, or they've just seen something on a web page somewhere (which was made up by someone else who doesn't know what they're talking about either), and all the misinformation which is being propagated.

I'm happy to wait til there's something to talk about, but at the moment there's no real story here, other than "Did you do a naughty thing?" "Errm... Yes we did...."

Why cancel... as it stands it does not apply to Seat or Skoda, or any UK or European car, only VW and Audi in the US... the software on the ECU may be different even though the engine is the same .... You could walk into another manufacture, buy a car and then they get found out they are doing the same.... I suspect it will happen...

Half a million in the U.S. ONLY

TOTAL world wide admitted by VW - 11 million

Why would you cancel? Do you like the car? (surely there was more to your choice than just emissions)? If so then I'd suggest the depreciation hit your going to take on a new car through use and wear and tear will far outweigh any extra over as a result of this bad-press etc...

Rather than read news sites the original you can grab both the original report (missing vehicle make/models) and the EPA's notice of violation here:

 

http://www.theicct.org/news/epas-notice-violation-clean-air-act-volkswagen-press-statement

http://www.theicct.org/real-world-exhaust-emissions-modern-diesel-cars

To be honest, I'm not bored with it, but I'm kinda fed up with all the crap people are spouting about things which they know very little about, or they've just seen something on a web page somewhere (which was made up by someone else who doesn't know what they're talking about either), and all the misinformation which is being propagated.

I'm happy to wait til there's something to talk about, but at the moment there's no real story here, other than "Did you do a naughty thing?" "Errm... Yes we did...."

 

Well said... as it stand it is all speculation and concerns VW/Audi in the US..

 

I think we should wait until they say for definite "There are "x" amount of Skoda involved" .. until then what the hell we worrying about

Half a million in the U.S. ONLY

TOTAL world wide admitted by VW - 11 million

 

Err..... TOTAL world wide admitted by VW - 11 million  

 

 

That may not include Skoda.... VW sell 10 million cars a year in the world, this is over the last 6 years.... 

Yep! ... We all need to see what comes out of the investigation.. I suspect the biggest problems will be in the US, Canada and some Asian countries like Japan that have stricter emission laws... 

There are now comments in the press that the German Government knew about this.. of course they will deny this but it does seem possible to me, after all they want to see German cars sold... 

I do not think it is wise to speculate at this time, I can really see other manufactures being tested and found out in the future, VW were found out, they will not be the only one!

Lets all calm down, and wait and see... The press have done what they like, made a sensational story that has started panic....that is what they are good at! 

 

You do not seem to get it.  These VW diesels particularly are adding hugely to early deaths from breath and lung problems.  Almost 10K deaths in Greater London alone and 20K in the rest of the UK.

 

Things are worse in summer days and on those warm sunny still winter days but the numbers of early death in the UK, Europe, US and the Rest of World are such that NO needs tackingly urgently.

 

Detuning the 185/180.170/150/140 hp CR wiesel engines down to so they produce much less NO like the 105/110 and 1.6 CR does.  

Concern about driving a car that is contributing to thousands of early deaths. 

 

Nope that's not what I asked - I queried your point about the emissions data you posted...   you've posted it for a reason - what is that reason - we can't mind-read... and you haven't stated what it is you are trying to show / prove via that data.

Winterkorn is "leaving the company" BBC

Why would you cancel? Do you like the car? (surely there was more to your choice than just emissions)? If so then I'd suggest the depreciation hit your going to take on a new car through use and wear and tear will far outweigh any extra over as a result of this bad-press etc...

Sorry, I didn't make it clear in my original post. I'm buying one second hand not new.

You do not seem to get it.  These VW diesels particularly are adding hugely to early deaths from breath and lung problems.  Almost 10K deaths in Greater London alone and 20K in the rest of the UK.

 

Things are worse in summer days and on those warm sunny still winter days but the numbers of early death in the UK, Europe, US and the Rest of World are such that NO needs tackingly urgently.

 

Detuning the 185/180.170/150/140 hp CR wiesel engines down to so they produce much less NO like the 105/110 and 1.6 CR does.  

 

And every other petrol/ diesel in every other car, truck, bus, ship.... NOT JUST VW! or maybe I don't get it and VW is the only diesel engine that has emissions.. In that case I will by a healthy Ford diesel 

I expect you could get your money back as noone really knows the state of the situation in the UK right now and they might not want to risk any issues. I have seen others saying they have successfully cancelled elsewhere. I would expect the value to drop quite a bit in the near future so you may be able to buy it again later for less, or find another cheaper.

Thanks for your reply. I didn't mention it in my original post , but I'm buying second hand not new. I'm of the mind that used prices could fall quite a bit, which is why I'm thinking of cancelling. I could hold off for a little while and pick the same car up cheaper in a month or two as you suggested. I love the car, I'd just rather not spend more on it than I have to.

You do not seem to get it. These VW diesels particularly are adding hugely to early deaths from breath and lung problems. Almost 10K deaths in Greater London alone and 20K in the rest of the UK.

Things are worse in summer days and on those warm sunny still winter days but the numbers of early death in the UK, Europe, US and the Rest of World are such that NO needs tackingly urgently.

Detuning the 185/180.170/150/140 hp CR wiesel engines down to so they produce much less NO like the 105/110 and 1.6 CR does.

You are talking numbers.ALL diesels contribute to this. It seems diesels kill people and petrols the planet. You do not want to do either buy a bike.

But then you risk getting squashed by a petrol or a diesel.

That looks more fair to me.... from reading information about this, I read it as all cars depending on emissions will pay the first year rate, so in my instance £200 for the first year, then almost all will pay a flat rate of £140 unless the car is over £40000 then you pay £350 for the first 5 years...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vehicle-excise-duty/vehicle-excise-duty

Seems more like VED used to be...

Not sure why the higher cost for £40k cars when most in this bracket have co2 values similar or lower than most cars under this.

As for NOX not mattering, yes for now it doesn't. But IIRC it is tested across Europe now, and the government are under pressure to include testing, and were looking at introduction to catch DPF removals currently passing the smoke test.

So yes not an issue, but could be in a year or 2 leaving many owners with a problem.

Nope that's not what I asked - I queried your point about the emissions data you posted...   you've posted it for a reason - what is that reason - we can't mind-read... and you haven't stated what it is you are trying to show / prove via that data.

 

Just to show how much (all be it in the possibly cheated test) that petrol cars (and the lower hp diesel) naturally produce less NO even for the more powerful models.

 

It is know that the higher specific output wiesel do have this affect on the nitrogen passing through the engine. 

 

Also that the SCR fitted Toureg etc do, as in this test, produce much less NO when fitted with SCR.

 

Why should city dwellers pay with their health for the criminal negligence of VW?

 

VW, Audi, SEAT, Skoda should be offering re-tunes, trade-ins etc bring a genuine output of NO down to the Euro 6 80 mg/km but really aiming to be a half or even quarter of that in the next year or two to reduce the number of early deaths.       

And every other petrol/ diesel in every other car, truck, bus, ship.... NOT JUST VW! or maybe I don't get it and VW is the only diesel engine that has emissions.. In that case I will by a healthy Ford diesel 

 

 

Have a look at the Ecoboost engine variants. 100, 125, 140 hp, way less NO, good economy.   Unless you are towing a 1-1.5 tonne trailer I do not see the point of the wiesel, BMW, Ford, VAG, not in the UK.

Jesus, talk about the rumour mill going into over drive 

Even if this turns into the nightmare some of you guys think it will, it WILL NOT effect owners of current vehicles, even if those vehicles are over the limit regarding emissions of NOx.

 

There are two stories on this. 1: Is the original story about VW cheating to meet California emission standards, those emission standards are really tight.

Story 2: Propagated by the media to create mass hysteria, involves industry tricks to get lab results for MPG and emissions that in no way reflect real world driving emissions.

 

VED changes are not applied retrospectively, they only apply to new vehicles from 2017. Only budget changes to VED can apply to all cars.

 

The tree huggers must be having multiple orgasms will all this carp being thrown about. Our Sun causes thousands of deaths through skin cancer each year, anyone want to turn it off?

Surely the 4 cylinder production line can't still be running.

Can dealers continue to register new existing stock of them?.