4 minutes ago, AMC150 said:

I copied it to the service manager whose reply was “our stance is as it has always been. Its in the hands of the factory”

hear all, see all, say nowt!!!!

 

The dealer is responsible for the sale; if you reject the car, then it is the responsibility of the dealer and The Consumer Rights Act (2015) is on your side. A lousy dealer like yours would get my back up and I'd do as Little Owl did a few pages ago. 

2 hours ago, Apprentice said:

Collected my Karoq SE 1.5 TSI manual (wk 50 build, model year 2019) yesterday and drove back to a friend's house covering around 220miles of motorway, town and rural Sottish roads and then drove home today covering a further 84 miles in sleet and snow on A, B and single track roads and so far I haven't had any issues regarding engine and gearbox at all.

The one thing I did notice was some mist/condensation in the small front light units (fog lights?) which was pointed out to the dealer when the car was collected and this morning it had cleared but was back again when I reached home this afternoon.

Good to read some 1.5 tsi manual vehicles are not impacted. Hope mine will run smotthly too.

On 01/02/2019 at 21:50, jimmer69 said:

How long before there's a serious accident at a junction/roundabout caused by this first gear stalling problem? If VW don't resolve it soon they could have another "dieselgate" issue on their hands.

And I wonder what the insurance companies think of folks knowingly driving around in cars with this problem?

5 hours ago, VAGCF said:

And I wonder what the insurance companies think of folks knowingly driving around in cars with this problem?

As the issue appears to be affecting individual vehicles, and according to what is written on this forum, only a small proportion actually suffer from effects so badly that they consider it as dangerous....the Insurance companies will not be in a position to use that as a get out clause, however, those that have reported their vehicles as dangerous to DVSA are now driving around in a vehicle which they belive to be in a dangerous condition and have evidenced that to the authorities so will no doubt be fair game should anything happen.

10 hours ago, Breezy said:

As the issue appears to be affecting individual vehicles, and according to what is written on this forum, only a small proportion actually suffer from effects so badly that they consider it as dangerous....the Insurance companies will not be in a position to use that as a get out clause, however, those that have reported their vehicles as dangerous to DVSA are now driving around in a vehicle which they belive to be in a dangerous condition and have evidenced that to the authorities so will no doubt be fair game should anything happen.

 

It's not possible to judge the occurrence of the problematic cars merely by looking at what is posted on here. I doubt that many drivers have joined specifically to voice their concerns about the 1.5 engine, attracted like moths to a light; in fact, most posters appear to be Skoda/VW aficionados who have been active for some time. I didn't know about the existence of this forum until I searched 'Karoq/towbars' and stumbled across it. I bought a Karoq - then noticed this thread and realised what all the unhappiness was about. Until then, I had assumed that there was something wrong with my driving. How many more drivers are out there wondering what the hell is going on? How many even know of the existence of this forum?

 

As far as the DVSA and insurance is concerned - DVSA has now contacted the manufacturer regarding the problem and they are compelled to respond within 28 days. I imagine that lies and bull-sheet are not acceptable to the authorities - and, of course, we all know that VW has form in this area.

 

And ............. don't forget all the irate SEAT and VW drivers out there; I suggest that there's more than a few.

Edited 3 February, 20197 yr by StEdmund
speeling

16 hours ago, VAGCF said:

16 minutes ago, StEdmund said:

 

It's not possible to judge the occurrence of the problematic cars merely by looking at what is posted on here. I doubt that many drivers have joined specifically to voice their concerns about the 1.5 engine, attracted like moths to a light; in fact, most posters appear to be Skoda/VW aficionados who have been active for some time. I didn't know about the existence of this forum until I searched 'Karoq/towbars' and stumbled across it. I bought a Karoq - then noticed this thread and realised what all the unhappiness was about. Until then, I had assumed that there was something wrong with my driving. How many more drivers are out there wondering what the hell is going on? How many even know of the existence of this forum?

 

As far as the DVSA and insurance is concerned - DVSA has now contacted the manufacturer regarding the problem and they are compelled to respond with 28 days. I imagine that lies and bull-sheet are not acceptable to the authorities - and, of course, we all know that VW has form in this area.

 

And ............. don't forget all the irate SEAT and VW drivers out there; I suggest that there's more than a few.

 

 

Its certainly a significant problem and its to be hoped that VAG get it sorted promptly.

As has prviously been intimated, I think anybody thinking of reporting this problem to the DVSA as a serious safety defect should think again if you intend to continue driving the vehicle because then you are leaving yourself open to all sorts of accusations!

 

 Who in their right mind would continue to drive such a vehicle and what insurance company would cover you to do so? 

 

The fault maybe a safety issue to a novice driver but to a reasonably experienced driver it is a matter of adjusting your driving technique to compensate and it becomes routine.

World wide Recall in 2012 on DQ200 DSG's.   Excluding Europe, and in the UK VOSA now DVSA listen to VW and said a Voluntary Service Campaign was all that was required.

 

'Loss of drive / power and the driver could coast to the road side'.      Plenty have experienced 'Loss of drive or power'. 

 the DVSA have done nowt, are doing nowt and 'Insurance Underwriters' are doing nowt.

 

So as to driving vehicles that would pass a UK Mot, or inspection by Factory Trained Technicians / Engineers, that will have Taxi & Private Hire Licences and maybe Emergency Service vehicles deemed unsafe to be on the road, there will be professional drivers driving them.

Maybe even employees of the DVSA or the Dft in the UK.

 

It would be interesting if any insurer held a driver responsible for driving a dangerous vehicle without the biggest car manufacturing group being held to Corporate Responsibility.

Or the DVSA being held as not giving a monkeys.

 

People are driving EU Type Approved cars meeting Construction and use, with Factory Approved Hardware and Software.

Not modified and just with 'characteristics' according to the Manufacturers, Importers & Suppliers / Dealerships.

 

No need  to inform your insurers of any 'Modification's, Software / Engine Management upgrades when they are Service Recall Actions, 

just as no need to to tell your Insurer that none have been done.

Maybe time things changed there, maybe Chris Grayling MP should be having the 'Agency' he is responsible for being fit for purpose.

Edited 4 February, 20197 yr by Skoffski

This screenshots are from the DQ200 Service Campaign thread in the Fabia Mk2 section.

Maybe some with issues want to talk to Mr Colin Troy at the DVSA.  

Get your concerns in writing and a response in writing.

 

Edited 4 February, 20197 yr by Skoffski

20 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

World wide Recall in 2012 on DQ200 DSG's.   Excluding Europe, and in the UK VOSA now DVSA listen to VW and said a Voluntary Service Campaign was all that was required.

 

'Loss of drive / power and the driver could coast to the road side'.      Plenty have experienced 'Loss of drive or power'. 

 the DVSA have done nowt, are doing nowt and 'Insurance Underwriters' are doing nowt.

 

So as to driving vehicles that would pass a UK Mot, or inspection by Factory Trained Technicians / Engineers, that will have Taxi & Private Hire Licences and maybe Emergency Service vehicles deemed unsafe to be on the road, there will be professional drivers driving them.

Maybe even employees of the DVSA or the Dft in the UK.

 

It would be interesting if any insurer held a driver responsible for driving a dangerous vehicle without the biggest car manufacturing group being held to Corporate Responsibility.

Or the DVSA being held as not giving a monkeys.

 

People are driving EU Type Approved cars meeting Construction and use, with Factory Approved Hardware and Software.

Not modified and just with 'characteristics' according to the Manufacturers, Importers & Suppliers / Dealerships.

 

No need  to inform your insurers of any 'Modification's, Software / Engine Management upgrades when they are Service Recall Actions, 

just as no need to to tell your Insurer that none have been done.

Maybe time things changed there, maybe Chris Grayling MP should be having the 'Agency' he is responsible for being fit for purpose.

 The issue is that YOU are reporting Your INDIVIDUAL vehicle (you cant speak for others) as being dangerous to drive.

 That is an individual thing, nothing to do with MOT etc.

 Should YOU decide to continue driving a vehicle that YOU have declared dangerous, then any insurance company or legal professional could use that to their benefit should you be involved in an accident directly related to the characteristic or defect that you stated was dangerous. Knowing or believing that your car is dangerous but using it anyway would be construed in law as negligence.

Edited 4 February, 20197 yr by Breezy

Nothing to do with a MOT that is not due for 3 years from new in the UK, but the same applies, a Policy holder is responsible and a driver for a cars safety and fit for purpose.  So taking an unsafe car out on the Public Highway is an issue for individuals.

Using one Commercially for Reward as in a Taxi, Private Hire car, Driving Instruction car, or lending one as a hire car really has implications.

 

So nobody should drive them if in their opinion they are dangerous and they are telling people face to face, on the phone, online and in writing.

 

In the UK call, Skoda UK, or VW UK, Audi UK or Seat UK according to which brand you have, get them to collect the car from your home, or the Skoda Assist to collect it from where a 'Cutting out' or loss of power or drive happened and get you a courtesy car until the issue is resolved.

 

Nowt as stupid as people that let others play with your, your loved ones and the general public's safety. 

Edited 4 February, 20197 yr by Skoffski

4 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

So nobody should drive them if in their opinion they are dangerous and they are telling people face to face, on the phone, online and in writing.

 

In the UK call, Skoda UK, or VW UK, Audi UK or Seat UK according to which brand you have, get them to collect the car from your home, or the Skoda Assist to collect it from where a 'Cutting out' or loss of power or drive happened and get you a courtesy car until the issue is resolved.

 

Nowt as stupid as people that let others play with your, your loved ones and the general public's safety. 

 

If you truly believe your vehicle is dangerous (rather than just using that description to invoke a positive response from Skoda) why would you even think about taking it on the road?  It is either dangerous or it isnt,

Edited 4 February, 20197 yr by Breezy

Exactly.   Why are those here with a DSG  that they are saying that cars have cut out on them on the road at junctions or when merging on roundabouts accepting nonsense from Dealership or Skoda UK employees?

 

So sad that those that have rejected cars are taking a financial loss by doing so.   But that will all come out in the wash after VW are forced to accept failing on their part.  Fundamental design, manufacturing, materials, software faults or quality control failings and a lack of action over these when reported to an Approved Repairer, Supplier or the Importer.

Edited 4 February, 20197 yr by Skoffski

In 2005 I owned a SEAT Toledo 1.9TDi which kept cutting out (faulty relay) which was extremely dangerous. I handed it to the SEAT Dealer and told them I would not drive it again until they fixed it. The Service Manager took my car home that night and on that journey and his return the next morning he told me my car had cut out no fewer than 6 times. He confirmed to me it was indeed dangerous because there was no warning but a total lack of power and the engine switched itself off causing the steering lock to activate. They took 3 days to fix my car and I had the use of a courtesy car during this time. If owners feel that their car is dangerous then they SHOULD NOT drive them. As Skoffski states think of others as well as yourselves.

Edited 4 February, 20197 yr by shyVRS245
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15 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

Exactly.   Why are those here with a DSG  that they are saying that cars have cut out on them on the road at junctions or when merging on roundabouts accepting nonsense from Dealership or Skoda UK employees?

 

Hi, not seen any DSG drivers report that, I think manual drivers have?

 

I fully agree if anyone thinks they are driving a car that is dangerous hand it back straight away, life is too short...

@MJ1  Maybe you have not seen any DSG driver report that because you have not read the posts in this forum where drivers of 1.5 TSI DSG's have posted that.

 

They are here though.  Not an internet myth.    Maybe do some more reading if you can be bothered.

5 minutes ago, MJ1 said:

Hi, not seen any DSG drivers report that, I think manual drivers have?

 

I fully agree if anyone thinks they are driving a car that is dangerous hand it back straight away, life is too short...

DSG drivers have reported cars cutting out pulling out of junctions and onto roundabouts.

2 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

DSG drivers have reported cars cutting out pulling out of junctions and onto roundabouts.

Ive just read through the full thread and the associated 1.5 tsi threads and havent seen any DSG owners saying  their cars cut out while pulling out of junctions or driving onto roundabouts. Have I missed something?

26 minutes ago, Breezy said:

Ive just read through the full thread and the associated 1.5 tsi threads and havent seen any DSG owners saying  their cars cut out while pulling out of junctions or driving onto roundabouts. Have I missed something?

Top of page 29 as one example, not sure how many others there may be:

 

Thanks for that Wino....I obviously DID miss something. What was the result FwineF? Any repetition of the issue?

47 minutes ago, Breezy said:

Ive just read through the full thread and the associated 1.5 tsi threads and havent seen any DSG owners saying  their cars cut out while pulling out of junctions or driving onto roundabouts. Have I missed something?

Wow you read really quickly.

1 minute ago, shyVRS245 said:

Wow you read really quickly.

 

Yes....just got in and picked up the ipad. Still recovering from working out my fuel consumption after the first refuel. 

Didnt expect it to be doing about 400yds per gallon.

7 minutes ago, Breezy said:

 

Yes....just got in and picked up the ipad. Still recovering from working out my fuel consumption after the first refuel. 

Didnt expect it to be doing about 400yds per gallon.

Perhaps you should have bought the more economical manual photo from yesterday after filling the wife's Karoq.

Dropped mine in as per Skoda request to RRG in Rochdale, no messing..... right away they admitted it's a known issue they know it happens hot and cold and there is no VAG fix as yet, said they have had lots in with the issue. Will see if anything else is said as I'm stuck in work now so can't collect til tomorrow, they did notice my wiper blades needed a change when they did the healthcheck, 5000 miles....they didn't last long