What would owners replace their superb with?

[ILOVEMYSUPERB]

After a mk2 and now mk3 superb I think I'm going for a Seat Leon Cupra 300 estate next. 

 

Can't think of anything from Skoda to top my mk3 2.0tdi L&K estate so not gonna try and risk being disappointed 

[Boxerdog1]

Having owned the full selection of 'Premium' German wagons I am now on my third Superb 3 Kombi and find it to be the best all round value for money , practical , performance vehicle I have ever owned.  At this point in time there is nothing else out there I would consider .................. 

[Boxerdog1]

1 hour ago, ILOVEMYSUPERB said:

After a mk2 and now mk3 superb I think I'm going for a Seat Leon Cupra 300 estate next. 

 

Can't think of anything from Skoda to top my mk3 2.0tdi L&K estate so not gonna try and risk being disappointed 

We have one of these in the immediate family .... great performance wagon but imho not in same league as my own Superb 280 wagon in Sportline trim.  Seat just edges it in performance but the Skoda Interior , shape , build quality etc just seem that bit classier . And of course there is the Space !!! 

[ILOVEMYSUPERB]

2 hours ago, Boxerdog1 said:

We have one of these in the immediate family .... great performance wagon but imho not in same league as my own Superb 280 wagon in Sportline trim.  Seat just edges it in performance but the Skoda Interior , shape , build quality etc just seem that bit classier . And of course there is the Space !!! 

 

****! In the back of my head this has always been the niggle.... I'm on a 150 2.0tdi so the seat's performance is obviously gonna be worlds apart but when that novelty wears off I'd be gutted having paid a lot of money for a car I wish was as nice as my superb. 

 

I've really gone and shot myself in the foot by buying an L&K estate, hard act to follow! 

[digifish]

On 27/04/2019 at 22:14, Gross9661 said:

We changed our Superb for a Passat  GT estate dsg and so far are very pleased with it.

 

How does the road noise compare (considering the tire profiles you had and have) ?

 

 

[Gross9661]

How does the road noise compare (considering the tire profiles you had and have) ?

  Our Superb had 17 inch alloys  and the Passat has 18 inch.  I must say that I  cant tell much difference between the two regarding road  noise.The Passat is much quieter at low speeds being a petrol (superb was diesel).

[freelunch]

I would think that road noise would have more to do with tyre choice (tread pattern/compound) and road surface (rough/smooth) than wheel size. And wheel/tyre size and tyre pressure would affect "feel" more than "noise".

 

Said the non-scientist.

[dan123]

I currently have a 150 SEL Exec, 3 years old 90k miles. Ive always liked Skodas, I’ve perviously had an 03 mark 1 Superb, an 06 Octavia petrol vRS and an 08 mark 2 Superb. In a couple of weeks I’m moving back to BMW with a 530e PHEV. I’m very fortunate to be a user chooser company car driver and the BIK rates on PHEV make it a bit of a no brainer. If the Superb PHEV had been ready I’d have taken a look but no sign of it.

[shyVRS245]

Bought 2016 April Mk3 Superb 1.4TSi manual (148bhp) SE with plenty of options. After 16,000 miles and 16 months (averaged 50mpg) got bored and traded in for a new August 2017 Vrs245 (248bhp on dyno) with some options. No regrets changing because the Superb was just a quiet, well built comfortable motorway munching barge with absolutely no excitement whatsoever. The Vrs is totally the opposite to drive from steering feel, to turn-in response, to the rorty noise it makes and always puts a big smile on my face every time I drive it. Don't even mind paying extra for V-Power Nitro or the reduced range (700 miles in Superb, 440 in the Vrs) because spending 5 minutes in a garage filling it every 10 days is hardly a chore when it's so much fun to drive. The braking is also incredible and it only weighs 50kg more than the smaller engined Superb despite the extra 100bhp (on a standard car). More tyre noise, cabin noise but won't ever be buying an EV or hybrid, rather retire and use the bus pass.

[dg360]

43 minutes ago, dan123 said:

I currently have a 150 SEL Exec, 3 years old 90k miles. Ive always liked Skodas, I’ve perviously had an 03 mark 1 Superb, an 06 Octavia petrol vRS and an 08 mark 2 Superb. In a couple of weeks I’m moving back to BMW with a 530e PHEV. I’m very fortunate to be a user chooser company car driver and the BIK rates on PHEV make it a bit of a no brainer. If the Superb PHEV had been ready I’d have taken a look but no sign of it.

Yeah hybrids do look attractive. V60/90 T8 would be nice not exactly what they had in mind for the reduced BIK but hey...

[MorrisOx]

Tested an E220D on Saturday and beginning to think a used Merc is where I’m heading next. Steel-sprung version and to me it ticked the two boxes which the Superb falls short on - overall refinement and a smooth ride. This is the perennial Skoda issue for me - as good as the Superb is (and it’s measurably smoother and more refined than  my previous Octy), it’s never quite as good as you’d like it to be.

 

Now waiting for someone to spoil things and tell me the E-Class is a bag of spanners.

[Mr Grump]

17 minutes ago, MorrisOx said:

Now waiting for someone to spoil things and tell me the E-Class is a bag of spanners.

 

 I'll bite …. the diseasel is a bag of spanners, a petrol one would be lovely though

[MorrisOx]

3 minutes ago, Mr Grump said:

 

 I'll bite …. the diseasel is a bag of spanners, a petrol one would be lovely though

 

Yet it was the diesel I drove! Obviously an oil-burner at idle, but very smooth & quiet once you move off because it’s capsuled in. Not much wind noise either. Most noticeable difference was a much quieter & smoother ride.

[GoneToBeemer]

29 minutes ago, MorrisOx said:

 

Yet it was the diesel I drove! Obviously an oil-burner at idle, but very smooth & quiet once you move off because it’s capsuled in. Not much wind noise either. Most noticeable difference was a much quieter & smoother ride.

 

The newest version of the Mercedes 220d engine is very smooth indeed - I’m in a new 5 series 20d and it’s definitely quieter at idle and when you rev it hard than mine. Everyday driving though and there’s no difference, and the 5 is a much more composed car without compromising on comfort. Just avoid M-sport suspension if comfort is your main goal. 

[Whenwillilearn]

So if and when this car is moved on I have been looking at second hand 

 

Porsche Panamera 

Porsche Cayenne

 

Any thoughts? 

[JamesEnfield]

51 minutes ago, Whenwillilearn said:

So if and when this car is moved on I have been looking at second hand 

 

Porsche Panamera 

Porsche Cayenne

 

Any thoughts? 

 

Had a pleasure to test drive Cayenne GTS from 2010. 

 

Extremely fun to drive, great exhausts noise, HUGE boot. Also when it comes to interior quality it’s miles miles away from average Superb.

 

However fuel consumption was a no go for me, besides servicing was extremely expensive due to pneumatic suspension and fact that those engines have to really be maintained properly not to die on you. 

 

I would never ever buy Porsche with a diesel but heard they are much cheaper to run overall.

Edited 10 May, 2019 by JamesEnfield

[Whenwillilearn]

2 hours ago, JamesEnfield said:

 

Had a pleasure to test drive Cayenne GTS from 2010. 

 

Extremely fun to drive, great exhausts noise, HUGE boot. Also when it comes to interior quality it’s miles miles away from average Superb.

 

However fuel consumption was a no go for me, besides servicing was extremely expensive due to pneumatic suspension and fact that those engines have to really be maintained properly not to die on you. 

 

I would never ever buy Porsche with a diesel but heard they are much cheaper to run overall.

 

I agree about the servicing costs. I ran a boxster S for a few years and even though its one of the cheaper cars of the brand and I used an independent specialist for servicing the car still dented the wallet easily. That's my only negative for the brand. 

 

I do like porsche though and for £30k can get a lot of Panamera or Cayenne. 

The same money could also buy an AUDI, BMW or Mercedes and IMO the latter three are pretty dull and just do not offer much excitement as Porsche ownership. 

 

 

 

 

[JamesEnfield]

Oh that’s true. If I would to choose new car now, considering all the co2 agenda, I would probably drop couple of HP for Hybrid engine and go for Lexus ES. Really beautiful car although not as family focused  

[Steviedakota]

On 06/05/2019 at 13:38, Mr Grump said:

 

 I'll bite …. the diseasel is a bag of spanners, a petrol one would be lovely though

 

Here is the main reason I sold my F10 after 8 months. I'll never buy another diesel.

 

[shyVRS245]

17 minutes ago, Steviedakota said:

 

Here is the main reason I sold my F10 after 8 months. I'll never buy another diesel.

 

Reminded that my neighbour has the 187bhp BMW 2.0litre diesel everytime he starts up his 2014 420D which rattles more than a baby's toy.

[Gizmo]

On 10/03/2019 at 10:00, Gizmo said:

A loaded L&K is going to be quite hard to upgrade from.

 

When the times comes (18 months or so) it will probably be a VW ID, with an estimated price of £20K OTR (including the £3.5K grant) even I would struggle to fully load one and go over £40K  (therefore keeping below the RRP of £40K to avoid the £1.550 ‘luxury car tax)

 

If that doesn’t take my fancy then I will probably wait until a BEV Superb comes out.

 

I have pre-booked an ID.3 1st Edition,

BUT at the moment the UK are only getting the ‘Plus’ trim level (they go ID.3 1st Edition, ID.3 1st Edition Plus, ID.3 1st Edition Max)

 

I doubt whether the Plus trim level will be high enough for me (after all I specced an L&K with a few grands worth of options!) as I really want the HUD & AR, so eventually I can see my pre-booking eventually being cancelled and a (non 1st Edition)’ ID.3 Max in either 58 kWh or depending on the price, the 77 kWh being ordered... IF electrically adjustable lumbar support is included (or at least an option in the UK), if they are not an option (like in the UK e-Golf) then it’s back to the drawing board for me.

 

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The pre-booking is currently ONLY for the 1st Editions (a 1st Edition pre-booking cannot be transferred to any other trim level).

The 1st Edition will also come with "2,000kWh of free fast charging for the first year of ownership”. 

The 1st Editions will all have the 58 kWh battery, the UK has been allocated 1,500 (out of the 30,000 1st Editions.)

 

 

The info released at present:

 

ID.3 1st Edition 58 kWh (261 miles)

ID.3 1st Edition Plus 58 kWh (261 miles) This is the ONLY VERSION currently coming to the UK 😢 (for ‘under £34,400') 

ID.3 1st Edition Max 77 kWh (342 miles)

 

Technology that is common to all the ID.3 :

- OTA updates

- Advanced double thermal management of the batteries with parallel liquid cooling chiller and radiator

- Battery heater liquid circuit

- Motor cooling

- Heat Pump

- Always online, allowing a range of services to be offered to customers through the cloud

- Level 3 autonomous driving ready*

- LED matrix lights

- Full LED lights (interior and exterior)

- One-pedal driving selectable.

- Remote APP control

- And other usual equipment present in any Golf

 

The UK launch editions (‘1st Edition Plus') will come with a hefty range of standard kit, including satellite navigation, voice control, LED matrix headlights and a contrast-colour roof, (there will be just 4 colours to choose from on the 1st Editions).

 

All versions of the car should come with the ability to charge at up to 100-125kW, giving around 162 miles of range in 30 minutes. 

 

Multi-link suspension arrangement at the rear to accommodate the electric motor.

 

 

The ID.3 Max will include a panoramic glass roof and an augmented-reality head-up display (AR HUD)

 

ID.3 45 kWh (205 miles)  €30,000 (£25,800)

ID.3 58 kWh (260 miles)

ID.3 77 kWh (341 miles)

 

ID.3 Plus 45 kWh (205 miles) 

ID.3 Plus 58 kWh (260 miles) 'Under €40,000' (£34,400)

ID.3 Plus 77 kWh (341 miles)

 

ID.3 Max 45 kWh (205 miles) 

ID.3 Max 58 kWh (260 miles)

ID.3 Max 77 kWh (341 miles)

 

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* Autonomous Driving Levels

Level Zero – No Automation. At Level 0 Autonomy, the driver performs all operating tasks like steering, braking, accelerating or slowing down, and so forth.

Level One – Driver Assistance. ... 

Level Two – Partial Automation. ... 

Level Three – Conditional Automation. ...  (basically what cars with ACC currently is)

Level Four – High Automation. ... 

Level Five – Complete Automation.

 

 

https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/e-mobility/en/id-family/id.html 

[shyVRS245]

Finally been confirmed that face lift Mk3 Superb will get the hybrid drivetrain from the Passat (worst kept secret ever). 1.4Tsi petrol engine coupled to DSG box and electric motor giving combined figure of 166mpg and just 39gm/co2 which will make it very attractive for business drivers for low company car tax. Same 215bhp (218PS) as the Passat as well.Electric range should be around 31miles.

[digifish]

17 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Finally been confirmed that face lift Mk3 Superb will get the hybrid drivetrain from the Passat (worst kept secret ever). 1.4Tsi petrol engine coupled to DSG box and electric motor giving combined figure of 166mpg and just 39gm/co2 which will make it very attractive for business drivers for low company car tax. Same 215bhp (218PS) as the Passat as well.Electric range should be around 31miles.

 

Nice. However I have decided my next car will be 100% electric. If you are going to do electric, you may as well do it properly and dispense with all the unwanted complexity and service costs of an Internal Combustion Engine. The furthest I ever need to drive in a day is about 250 km (155 miles). 99.9% of my trips are less than 80 km return (50 miles). Any further than that I can hire a ICE car. 

Edited 12 May, 2019 by digifish

[JackySi]

6 hours ago, digifish said:

 

Nice. However I have decided my next car will be 100% electric. If you are going to do electric, you may as well do it properly and dispense with all the unwanted complexity and service costs of an Internal Combustion Engine. The furthest I ever need to drive in a day is about 250 km (155 miles). 99.9% of my trips are less than 80 km return (50 miles). Any further than that I can hire a ICE car. 

Very good thinking! I'm also thinking same thing. The only downside for electric cars at the moment is that I have no clue who in Slovenia can service them. Also prices are a bit high for my finances. 

[digifish]

1 hour ago, JackySi said:

no clue who in Slovenia can service them. Also prices are a bit high for my finances. 

 

Well give it 3-4, definitely 5 years and I think both of those issues will be solved.

 

I think we are at a tipping point.