18 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

There is another level with Michelin, the Pilot Sport Cup 2 which is an extreme road, heavily track biassed tyre. Brilliant in dry but terrible in the wet. I find the Pilot Super Sports can be a bit scary in the wet too.

 

UUHP tyres have a lower aquaplaning  threshold and lesser wet handling abilties. Which when hitting swamped roads at speed could be a squeaky bum time. Exactly what happened to Clarkson in an M2 (PSS) This is  where UHP tyres like assy 3 and Dunlop RT2 excell. Just when you need them to not on the raggy edge at Woodcote in the dry. 

 

 

Edited 24 March, 20197 yr by teescom09

5 minutes ago, stubev156 said:

Anyone running Crossclimate plus? 

Yes I am, on a Galaxy though. Were good in the recent heavy snow and very quiet and comfortable. Wouldn’t use them year round on a vRS though. 

9 hours ago, teescom09 said:

Yes I am, on a Galaxy though. Were good in the recent heavy snow and very quiet and comfortable. Wouldn’t use them year round on a vRS though. 

Why is that? Too noisy? Thanks. 

The Bridgestones on my new Vrs sound really loud or is that just me ?!

12 hours ago, skomaz said:

I had the Goodyears on a Civic not long ago and didn't rate them - too noisy and not great in the wet.  Switched to Vredestein Ultrac's all round which were much better in the wet and much quieter.

On my previous car I tried both Goodyear AS3s and Vredestein Sessantas - and my experience was the opposite of yours.

 

The AS3s had better grip wet & dry, quieter and better handling than the Sessantas which had softer sidewalls so the handling was very vague almost like a sponge.

3 hours ago, PetrolDave said:

On my previous car I tried both Goodyear AS3s and Vredestein Sessantas - and my experience was the opposite of yours.

 

The AS3s had better grip wet & dry, quieter and better handling than the Sessantas which had softer sidewalls so the handling was very vague almost like a sponge.

 

Interesting...   The vredesteins do have a softer side-wall but I tended to run them with a couple of extra PSI in them.  Never found them to be like a sponge but then the Civic did have very firm suspension so maybe that in combination with the softer side-walls worked out OK?

 

Re cross climates...   I've been running them on our MkII 4x4 since they came out and they have been good - not sure how they would cope with a VRs but I wanted them for their all round ability (ie bad weather on the edge of the Peak District) as opposed to full on performance.

2 hours ago, skomaz said:

Interesting...   The vredesteins do have a softer side-wall but I tended to run them with a couple of extra PSI in them.  Never found them to be like a sponge but then the Civic did have very firm suspension so maybe that in combination with the softer side-walls worked out OK?

The car I was running them on was an Audi RS4 - so the suspension couldn't be described as "soft"

On 24/03/2019 at 21:35, teescom09 said:

Yes I am, on a Galaxy though. Were good in the recent heavy snow and very quiet and comfortable. Wouldn’t use them year round on a vRS though. 

Why wouldn't you run them all year round on a VRS? 

8 hours ago, stubev156 said:

Why wouldn't you run them all year round on a VRS? 

Because I like to have some fun in summer. Crossclimates are a compromise and likely to wear rapidly pushed hard. Plus wet grip is only average at best.   

On 24/03/2019 at 16:13, Upthepool said:

I visited National tyre centre yesterday and the staff there recommended Bridgestone or Pirelli if mileage was low as other brands tend to crack more if not used often or motorway miles?

 

I do less than 10k pa so will be looking into these and if anyone can recommend a particular tyre that would be appreciated 

 

Cheers

The outer blocks on my Bridgestones are cracking, 3.5 years old after 10 000m.  They are very noisy in my opinion.

 

22 minutes ago, stanian said:

The outer blocks on my Bridgestones are cracking, 3.5 years old after 10 000m.  They are very noisy in my opinion.

 

Appreciate the feedback. Seems like almost every tyre has its supporters and knockers. Bit of a minefield

27 minutes ago, Upthepool said:

Appreciate the feedback. Seems like almost every tyre has its supporters and knockers. Bit of a minefield

Agreed, one mans perfection is another mans ditchfinder. One of the best tyres I have had fitted is the sava intesa UHP, now moved on to UHP2. I have just had 2 Goodyear ASymetric 3's fitted to mine and I only had those because i couldnt get the Sava's. Sava have since come back into stock so I have bought 2 of those and they are in storage until I can justify ditching, the plastic like original Bridgestones taken off the rear now on the front. Sava are made in the Goodyear factory in Slovenia and have the same fugures as the Asy3 c for fule economy A for wet grip and 67db making them one of the quietest on the market too. You pays your money and take your chance. Maybe off the shelf bridgestones aren't as bad as the factory fitted ones. Like you say it is a minefield.

 

 

27 minutes ago, stanian said:

Agreed, one mans perfection is another mans ditchfinder. One of the best tyres I have had fitted is the sava intesa UHP, now moved on to UHP2. I have just had 2 Goodyear ASymetric 3's fitted to mine and I only had those because i couldnt get the Sava's. Sava have since come back into stock so I have bought 2 of those and they are in storage until I can justify ditching, the plastic like original Bridgestones taken off the rear now on the front. Sava are made in the Goodyear factory in Slovenia and have the same fugures as the Asy3 c for fule economy A for wet grip and 67db making them one of the quietest on the market too. You pays your money and take your chance. Maybe off the shelf bridgestones aren't as bad as the factory fitted ones. Like you say it is a minefield.

 

 

Just looked into your suggestion and although the name ain’t sexy the Sava Intesa uhp 2 do indeed review very well. Several reviewers have done a follow up 1 or 2 seasons later and still rate it highly. 

 

Good price also. Thanks for info 

3 hours ago, Upthepool said:

Appreciate the feedback. Seems like almost every tyre has its supporters and knockers. Bit of a minefield

 

I think you will generally find most people rate the Goodyear AS3 or the Michelin PS4 on these cars. Either is a safe bet for a VRS. I am a fan of Continental tyres too, especially stopping in the wet.

 

I run the PS4 in the summer on 18” and if you can find fault with them for road use you need to be very critical or have some other problem with the car.

 

Not the cheapest rubber you can use but you pays your money etc etc

On 24/03/2019 at 21:28, stubev156 said:

Anyone running Crossclimate plus? 

 

Yes swapped my 245 onto 18" CC+ as "winter" tyres and seriously thinking about keeping them on all year round.  Wear seems quite acceptable as the temperatures over the winter have frequently been above the optimum for winter tyres.  Slightly noisier than summer tyres but it doesn't register with me now after having them on for 6 months. I can't detect any significant difference in grip/braking distances wet or dry in everyday driving.  

 

On my previous Mk2 VRS I ran "real" winters in the winter and I certainly could tell the difference with summer tyres in warmer temperatures.  

13 hours ago, Upthepool said:

Just looked into your suggestion and although the name ain’t sexy the Sava Intesa uhp 2 do indeed review very well. Several reviewers have done a follow up 1 or 2 seasons later and still rate it highly. 

 

Good price also. Thanks for info 

Sava is actually a name taken from Slovenia's longest river, it is a lovely clean green river.

 

9 hours ago, juan27 said:

 

Yes swapped my 245 onto 18" CC+ as "winter" tyres and seriously thinking about keeping them on all year round.  Wear seems quite acceptable as the temperatures over the winter have frequently been above the optimum for winter tyres.  Slightly noisier than summer tyres but it doesn't register with me now after having them on for 6 months. I can't detect any significant difference in grip/braking distances wet or dry in everyday driving.  

 

On my previous Mk2 VRS I ran "real" winters in the winter and I certainly could tell the difference with summer tyres in warmer temperatures.  

Thanks for the reply, seem like good tyres.

They have started fitting the PS4 as the VWFS approved tyre if you have the tyre pack of a PCH deal. Only done 1200 miles on them since they were fitted, other than the steering feeling slightly lighter (could be due to new vs old) I can't notice any difference over the PZero. 

Rear PZero have done 53,000 miles in 30 months and are still going so can't complain about those.