Tiers, Lockdowns & Vaccinations

[Breezy_Pete]

Not liking this tier 4 thing much. Had to turn away good friends/neighbours bearing Barolo yesterday, even from garden drinking. 

They were smart enough not to leave the wine behind... 

[gadgetman]

58 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

Milton Keynes is at almost 900 per 100k as at 22nd December. 

 

They're bracing for cases to be 

close to 1k per 100k apparently. 

 

No one has an idea why Milton Keynes is so high 

Local news has reported updated figures. 

 

Almost 1700k now 😢

 

https://www.mkfm.com/news/local-news/the-seven-parts-of-milton-keynes-which-have-a-coronavirus-case-rate-of-more-than-1000/

[cheezemonkhai]

Small potential positive is cases are through the roof but deaths are not.

 

if this continues it could be a sign that this mutation makes it a better spreader but less nasty. Whilst there is no certainty and far from it, that situation would be a good thing.

[mac11irl]

54 minutes ago, cheezemonkhai said:

Small potential positive is cases are through the roof but deaths are not.

 

if this continues it could be a sign that this mutation makes it a better spreader but less nasty. Whilst there is no certainty and far from it, that situation would be a good thing.

 

a less rosey reading of it is that alot of the higher risk people have already succumbed to it...

 

but, on the basis of our experience in ROI wave one ripped nursing and residential care facilities to shreds and resulted in the bulk of our deaths. this time around they are being alot more proactive in minimising exposure risk. Eg it turned out there was a lot of agency staff double/triple jobbing in multiple homes, covering weekend or night shifts so spreading it across various locations asymptomatically... all staff have been under a one location of work only rule since that got found out. the private (most nursing homes) sector area of it was also getting little to no support from the HSE to procure and supply adequate ppe to staff etc.

 

[cheezemonkhai]

24 minutes ago, mac11irl said:

 

a less rosey reading of it is that alot of the higher risk people have already succumbed to it...

 

but, on the basis of our experience in ROI wave one ripped nursing and residential care facilities to shreds and resulted in the bulk of our deaths. this time around they are being alot more proactive in minimising exposure risk. Eg it turned out there was a lot of agency staff double/triple jobbing in multiple homes, covering weekend or night shifts so spreading it across various locations asymptomatically... all staff have been under a one location of work only rule since that got found out. the private (most nursing homes) sector area of it was also getting little to no support from the HSE to procure and supply adequate ppe to staff etc.

 

Well this is of course an alternative and completely valid.

 

We won’t know for a good while which ,if either, turns out to be true.  
 

Viruses do mutate and eventually a lower fatality version which has an advantage becomes dominant and gives you the break you need.

[gadgetman]

Seems tier 2 areas to move to 3 and 3 to 4.

 

Some new rules on mask wearing in more settings like workplaces and outside too. 

 

No tier 5 or 4+ yet 

[shyVRS245]

Almost 75% of the UK Population will now be placed in Tier 4. Most of London and South East of England in Tier 4.

[gadgetman]

1 minute ago, shyVRS245 said:

Almost 75% of the UK Population will now be placed in Tier 4. Most of London and South East of England in Tier 4.

South West areas jump from 2 to 4 too. 

 

This is drawn out unnecessary pain. Just lock down FFS. And do it HARD. 

 

Food and medical only. None of this garden centres being essential nonsense. 

[shyVRS245]

12 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

South West areas jump from 2 to 4 too. 

 

This is drawn out unnecessary pain. Just lock down FFS. And do it HARD. 

 

Food and medical only. None of this garden centres being essential nonsense. 

My neighbour had his father stay for 6 days over Xmas. Pointless rules when so many ignoring them. We like many spent Xmas at home without visitors.

[gadgetman]

13 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

My neighbour had his father stay for 6 days over Xmas. Pointless rules when so many ignoring them. We like many spent Xmas at home without visitors.

Police will simply get more reports from neighbours now as the tighter restrictions bite. 

 

Christmas some forces turned a blind eye for Christmas and only responded to serious breaches of multiple households, or more than 10. Forces people I know work for certainly did this. 

 

Police will robustly enforce rules on NYE. Anyone holding a party better have £10k spare. 

[shyVRS245]

On a personal note with all the Disney Stores now forced to close I will have less work to do just booking in deliveries and online collection vehicles.

[@Lee]

53 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

Food and medical only. None of this garden centres being essential nonsense. 

That's how it's been here since the 16th. Non essential shops shut. OBI (think B&Q), collection only so order online and wait in a queue outside for your turn. Open to registered trades people only. Sales of Xmas trees was only possible outside in the car park with distancing and masks.
A ban on the sale of fireworks and no boozing in public so hopefully a quiet NYE for the animals.
Restrictions in place until the 10th but looks like that'll be pushed back with schools looking to be closed longer as well. 

[mac11irl]

we are going into full level 5 until the end of January. schools opening delayed until 11th jan from 6th. itll be made longer i reckon though.

 

 

[mac11irl]

17 minutes ago, mac11irl said:

we are going into full level 5 until the end of January. schools opening delayed until 11th jan from 6th. itll be made longer i reckon though.

 

 

 

 

oh and the 5km travel limit will be back.

 

[@Lee]

What? Does Johnson think all the kids who go to the same school are from the same household. I mean, his six or seven or eight might be, but that's not the same for everyone.

I thought the second dose was supposed to be three weeks after the first dose. Are they anticipating some kind of delay from getting more of the Pfizer vaccine? The first dose gives 95% efficacy so are they hoping to get more people vaccinated to buy some time?
I think the now approved Oxford vaccine also requires two doses. 

 

4 minutes ago, mac11irl said:

 

 

oh and the 5km travel limit will be back.

 

Man that really sucks :( 

Edited 30 December, 2020 by Lee01

[skomaz]

Re the doses I'm led to believe by my wife that lengthening the time between doses doesn't reduce the impact of the second dose.  If it's too short a gap it does but lengthening beyond three weeks doesn't.

 

Given she's a molecular biologist who used to work for AZ I'm taking what she's said as true

 

Edited 30 December, 2020 by skomaz

[Ootohere]

The percentage of protection after 3 weeks has had various figures mentioned today.  EDIT.  64-90% was given at the presentation.

Then it was 4-12 weeks and it becomes 12 weeks when Boris says it.

 

I heard one of those that approved this vaccine say that there had been 'some testing on the effectiveness of it on over 65 year olds'.

Is that what Trials are about, how many of groups, young, middle aged, old, very old, pregnant, diabetic etc were actually done?

Edited 30 December, 2020 by e-Roottoot

[Ootohere]

[lol-lol]

What has gone wrong again ?  Is it just that we seem to be the start of the new faster spreading Corona virus ?

 

Nearly a thousand deaths recorded today in the UK  and 10% of the worldwide new case recorded when we only have 1% of the world population.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

Column header one columns out to the left....

 

Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop	Deaths/ 1M pop	Total Tests	Tests/ 1M pop	Population
	World	82,841,334	+514,887	1,807,236	+11,242	58,671,576	22,362,522	106,271	10,628	231.9
1	USA	20,102,178	+119,737	348,912	+2,235	11,917,084	7,836,182	29,101	60,555	1,051	251,018,056	756,157	331,965,664
2	Mexico	1,401,529	+12,099	123,845	+990	1,058,429	219,255	3,913	10,814	956	3,562,957	27,491	129,602,491
3	UK	2,432,888	+50,023	72,548	+981	N/A	N/A	1,847	35,745	1,066	54,467,027	800,244	68,063,019
4	Germany	1,710,992	+19,285	33,172	+752	1,302,600	375,220	5,649	20,389	395	33,708,381	401,687	83,917,119
5	Russia	3,131,550	+26,513	56,426	+599	2,525,418	549,706	2,300	21,454	387	90,203,874	617,980	145,965,630
6	Italy	2,083,689	+16,202	73,604	+575	1,445,690	564,395	2,528	34,488	1,218	26,412,603	437,168	60,417,484
7	Poland	1,281,414	+12,955	28,019	+565	1,025,889	227,506	1,580	33,877	741	7,150,261	189,031	37,825,943
8	South Africa	1,039,161	+17,710	28,033	+465	867,597	143,531	546	17,413	470	6,553,761	109,819	59,677,790
9	France	2,600,498	+26,457	64,381	+303	193,045	2,343,072	2,661	39,796	985	34,621,162	529,818	65,345,362

Edited 30 December, 2020 by lol-lol

[skomaz]

2 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

The percentage of protection after 3 weeks has had various figures mentioned today.  EDIT.  64-90% was given at the presentation.

Then it was 4-12 weeks and it becomes 12 weeks when Boris says it.

 

I heard one of those that approved this vaccine say that there had been 'some testing on the effectiveness of it on over 65 year olds'.

Is that what Trials are about, how many of groups, young, middle aged, old, very old, pregnant, diabetic etc were actually done?

 

As I understand it the trials aim to cover the full range of ages of the population with efficacy measured for each group for a variety of dosage etc and were underway since April with a large number of people involved

[cheezemonkhai]

5 hours ago, gadgetman said:

South West areas jump from 2 to 4 too. 

 

This is drawn out unnecessary pain. Just lock down FFS. And do it HARD. 

 

Food and medical only. None of this garden centres being essential nonsense. 

If everyone down in the south west had actually even tried to follow Xmas rules and not have family down from tier4 areas....

 

The tiers are a complete waste of time if they don’t actually enforce travel restrictions , so they will need to do a full lockdown now.

[mac11irl]

@Lee01

it was 2km during first lock down.

 

tbh increasing restrictions doesnt bother me. it will save lives which is more importnant than inconvenience. i personally thought the amount of relaxation for christmas was a stupid idea...

 

[cheezemonkhai]

The restrictions here are meaningless because the lack of travel restrictions, as proven by those at pen-y-fan.

[Jfhuk]

Biggest issue is the lack of any enforcement of the tier restrictions. During the first wave, cops where everywhere enforcing it, now you can go a whole month without seeing one.

[@Lee]

7 minutes ago, Jfhuk said:

Biggest issue is the lack of any enforcement of the tier restrictions. During the first wave, cops where everywhere enforcing it, now you can go a whole month without seeing one.

Be interesting at some point to find out how many are self isolating with Covid symptoms.