I’m just letting any VW owners that may be lurking here know that I successfully reactivated the TMC on my mib 2 high using 32782 in the 5F module using OBD11 pro. 

I'm a lurking VW owner and have been following this thread with interest.

Almost at the same time I discovered this thread whilst starting one of my own on Honest John.

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/180432/vw---tmc-not-working

But it's a pale image of this one.

It looks like if I understand correctly I also may be able to use the fixes given above.

I think my unit is a MIB2 of Delphi manufacture.

 

Just one question.

I have an OBD2 reader and App, presumably this does not permit me to access the green engineering menu or OBD11?

 

TIA

I make a mib2 Delphi the mib2 standard aka mib2 media unit not the high. If it uses the map card you use the map card solution above,  if it's a mib2 high (SSD storage) you alter the TMC value as indicated using obdeleven pro, VCDS etc.

 

If it's a mib2 high I detailed how to unlock the developers menu here with obdeleven pro. You might not have the pro license so you can't and I've never tried on a mib2 standard. Gives you the green menu and swdl command but don't reckon you need that for this task. Swdl gives you incremental updates of elements of the high maps and installing previous software on a high unit... for what it's worth. Mib2 high tool kit will also unlock the developers menu also.

 

https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/threads/obdeleven-tool-for-vcds-type-of-activity-working-ones-for-the-ateca.438134/page-2#post-4730643

I have 2 Mib2 standard units, mst2 nav, one is a Technisat and the other Delphi. The V12 map and using table 1023 works for the Technisat but not the Delphi, I'm assuming that the Delph uses the cfg_customer_update.tar.gz in the cfg dir for the configuration and this has not been modified. I'm unable to confirm as I cannot extract the config file.

Throw this in and it might be random. Has it got anything to do with when mapcare was discontinued on the brand. Later models of VW and Skoda discontinued mapcare but if you had maps prior to V12 and implemented V12 without a mapcare workaround then it wouldn't work if mapcare was still being deployed. I said it was random but just an idea. If V12 maps worked on that problem unit without the TMC patch then it wouldn't be that.  That's the check.

 

 

The V12 maps, both modified and unmodified work on both units, it is just the Delphi that the tmc does not work with. Both units are fitted to 2016 Golfs, manufactured a month apart. Both units have the same part number 3Q0035874A, and both have the FEC's 00040100 - navigation and 09400008 - maps VW Mib2 Std EU.

On 18/06/2023 at 15:49, pcbbc said:

MIB2STD 2020 Maps with TMC Update for Amundsen/Discover Media/Technisat

 

This method doesn't require any toolbox installation, etc.

 

Unmodifed V12 map download: DiscoverMedia2_EU_AS_1430_V12.7z

TMC providers update: DiscoverMedia2_EU_AS_1430_V12_TMC_Update.7z

 

Instructions:

1. Download both 7z files.

2. Unzip unmodified V12 maps to SD card.  Instead of downloading, you can use your existing copy of V12 maps if you already have a copy.

3. Unzip the TMC Update to the same SD card, replacing any duplicate files.

4. Check/configure FEE BASED TRAFFIC INFO is set to 1023 using VCDS/OBD11.

 

Give a big thank you to @bigade1 for working out the correct TMC config and doing the testing on his MIB2STD. 👏

Just dowloading the files now (although the first one could take a while as MEGA set quotas).  

 

The bit I'm not sure about is:4. Check/configure FEE BASED TRAFFIC INFO is set to 1023 using VCDS/OBD11.

 

I don't have access to VCSD/OBD11 so guess I'm still screwed?

35 minutes ago, Mattnam said:

Just dowloading the files now (although the first one could take a while as MEGA set quotas).  

 

The bit I'm not sure about is:4. Check/configure FEE BASED TRAFFIC INFO is set to 1023 using VCDS/OBD11.

 

I don't have access to VCSD/OBD11 so guess I'm still screwed?

Out of curiosity and as I had a spare Skoda SD card but no tool to do step 4, I tried it and no it didn't work. Still I might buy a tool.... or find someone with one.

I’m not sure what the default adaptation is on Skoda, sorry. bigade1 just told me you needed to check that adaptation.

 

Basically for some reason the configuration files were only modified for Provider Sets 21 and 1023 to switch to INRIX.

Sets 3, 4, 7, 15 and 32783 have all been left using the now defunct TrafficMaster.

 

TL;DR:

If your current adaptation is set to 21 or 1023 you won’t need to do anything with VCDS.

If it’s set to 3, 4, 7, 15 or 32783, you’ll need to change it to 1023.

44 minutes ago, Mattnam said:

Just dowloading the files now (although the first one could take a while as MEGA set quotas).  

 

The bit I'm not sure about is:4. Check/configure FEE BASED TRAFFIC INFO is set to 1023 using VCDS/OBD11.

 

I don't have access to VCSD/OBD11 so guess I'm still screwed?

Probably.

 

I've done 1-3 in a mib2 standard but the car is stuck in the garage with building work going on behind it so I can't connect up OBD11 with the engine running. Saturday hope to roll the car out with the builders not working behind and see what is actually stored in that location. With 1-3 currently doesnt enable TMC. It isn't a Delphi unit.

 

I'll let you know Saturday whether I get any further. The 1023 is based on this post:

 

https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/index.php?threads/enabling-tmc-in-the-uk-is-it-possible.386243/page-2

 

If it's 1023 at the minute and not working one outcome. If it's not 1023 and I change it and it works another outcome. I got a feeling it would be 1023 at the minute but may be for the old system is set at another number.

 

It's Seat Arona for reference.... just read the pcbbc post that came in whilst doing this. We'll see.

On 18/06/2023 at 15:49, pcbbc said:

MIB2STD 2020 Maps with TMC Update for Amundsen/Discover Media/Technisat

 

This method doesn't require any toolbox installation, etc.

 

Unmodifed V12 map download: DiscoverMedia2_EU_AS_1430_V12.7z

TMC providers update: DiscoverMedia2_EU_AS_1430_V12_TMC_Update.7z

 

Instructions:

1. Download both 7z files.

2. Unzip unmodified V12 maps to SD card.  Instead of downloading, you can use your existing copy of V12 maps if you already have a copy.

3. Unzip the TMC Update to the same SD card, replacing any duplicate files.

4. Check/configure FEE BASED TRAFFIC INFO is set to 1023 using VCDS/OBD11.

 

Give a big thank you to @bigade1 for working out the correct TMC config and doing the testing on his MIB2STD. 👏

Thank you for this. Now just need someone to figure out how to get it working with more up to date maps, if it is even possible.

16 hours ago, hhcd80 said:

Thank you for this. Now just need someone to figure out how to get it working with more up to date maps, if it is even possible.

The solution as posted by @bigade1as I understand it is a development of the techie Aussies that did similar to get it to work with their system. @pcbbcthen took the need out of it to use the mib2 standard toolbox / kit by altering those files which takes out the hassle.

 

Up to V12 and including the files were produced using HereMap cartography by a German company who had the contract from VAG. After V12 the maps switched to TomTom in the process they dropped support for other / some of the other TMC providers. Graphics and logic triggered by over the air TMC data. 

 

Possibly another two year of map updates to go either way for mib2 based on current support for mib in the past.

On 06/07/2023 at 16:24, Mattnam said:

Just dowloading the files now (although the first one could take a while as MEGA set quotas).  

 

The bit I'm not sure about is:4. Check/configure FEE BASED TRAFFIC INFO is set to 1023 using VCDS/OBD11.

 

I don't have access to VCSD/OBD11 so guess I'm still screwed?

You definitely need to code 1023 into it. Was able to get the car backed out of the garage, obdeleven plugged in. Step 4 isn't really a check, it's you must do it. In obdeleven 5f module adaptations, search:

 

Change to give:

 

Reboot the unit to get it to take it.

 

You need to do steps 1 to 3 as per the post then it works. You need to wait a minute or two for it to take. It builds indexes according to posts on the mod so the TMC has a cross through it but will change after a little while. Example:

 

So yes it works in a Seat standard unit. You need the workaround thou for Seat (move your existing overall.nds file if you map version is before v12). Skoda and VW are fine in this respect.

 

What was the original value?

I suspect one of 3, 4, 7 or 15. My guess is 15?

I really don’t understand why those sets were left using TrafficMaster and weren’t modified to use INRIX. If that had been done then no adaptation re-coding would have been necessary.

Was 15. Was going to say. Tried 14 for good measure. Nope.

 

You can use the two card solution. Popped the SD in the wallet in case we take the run around into any traffic but I'm normally the navigator so do a check on Google maps before heading out 🤔. TMC and online traffic comes into it's own if you haven't got a codriver 🤗.

 

As you know in the mib2 high you can modify the routes by dragging and dropping which you can't in mib2 standard. So sometimes modify the HereMaps route against the Google one. Traffic condition on busy roads can change quickly where the human navigator has an issue...

 

Edited 8 July, 20232 yr by Tell

Am I correct in saying there are OBD11 devices that are only read and others that  are read/write?  Any recommendations on a device that can make the change and not cost the earth?

On a slightly different topic I am on holiday in Cornwall and found some very odd mapping with the 2023/2024 maps in St Austell at one point I was routed up a passageway half the width of the car, some roundabout exits were completely wrong and a couple of junctions turns shown but not voiced. Curious.

32 minutes ago, NigelR99 said:

Am I correct in saying there are OBD11 devices that are only read and others that  are read/write?  Any recommendations on a device that can make the change and not cost the earth?

On a slightly different topic I am on holiday in Cornwall and found some very odd mapping with the 2023/2024 maps in St Austell at one point I was routed up a passageway half the width of the car, some roundabout exits were completely wrong and a couple of junctions turns shown but not voiced. Curious.

On the first I often answer this question on the SeatCupra site. Have my last answer here to that one:

 

https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/threads/obdeleven-formentor-see-below-for-working-ones.465537/page-23#post-5037146

 

I didn't link to the Obdeleven site. Canny buyers buy it of Amazon Prime, just the dongle and buy the license online from the Obdeleven site. Quicker that way. You add up the costs and make the devision. VCDS will be more expensive.

 

On cartography. Mib2 standard uses TomTom. Mib2 High HereMaps. Both sites give reporting pages via regustering. TomTom you mark up and tell them giving as much evidence. HereMaps you draw in yourself. On both you check days later to see whether it is held and not rejected.

 

Website for Reporting TomTom Cartography issues (used by mib2 standard):
 

Mapshare You need the mapshare edit side:

http://www.tomtom.com/mapshare/tools

Website for Reporting HereMaps Cartography issues (used by mib1 standard & high, mib2 high, mib3 all models):

https://mapcreator.here.com/

 

TomTom seem less validated to me than HereMaps on road builds not open. HereMaps try not to put them on their maps till live.

 

The execution of the maps are better in mib2 high than standard. I've got both so note the differences in what it's showing on roundabouts etc.

 

 

 

 

Edited 8 July, 20232 yr by Tell

7 hours ago, Tell said:

The solution as posted by @bigade1as I understand it is a development of the techie Aussies that did similar to get it to work with their system. @pcbbcthen took the need out of it to use the mib2 standard toolbox / kit by altering those files which takes out the hassle.

 

Up to V12 and including the files were produced using HereMap cartography by a German company who had the contract from VAG. After V12 the maps switched to TomTom in the process they dropped support for other / some of the other TMC providers. Graphics and logic triggered by over the air TMC data. 

 

Possibly another two year of map updates to go either way for mib2 based on current support for mib in the past.

How up to date are those maps compared to the current ones on the VW portal. 

45 minutes ago, hhcd80 said:

How up to date are those maps compared to the current ones on the VW portal. 

The latest maps are V18

 

V18 dbinfo file:

 

ApplicationSoftwareVersionNumber="2110"
PartNumber2="5NA919866DP"
PartNumber3="V03959820MP"
PartNumber4="V03959821AL"
PartNumber5=""
SystemName="ECE1 2024"

 

V12 dbinfo file:

 

ApplicationSoftwareVersionNumber="1430"
PartNumber2="5NA919866AR"
PartNumber3="5L0051236BR"
PartNumber4="6P0919866BK"
PartNumber5="7CE919866BC"
SystemName="ECE AS 20/21"

 

(18-12)=6/2=3 years (2 releases a year)

 

or on the year mark although VAG slid six months... so yes 3 years give or take 6 months.

On 18/06/2023 at 15:49, pcbbc said:

MIB2STD 2020 Maps with TMC Update for Amundsen/Discover Media/Technisat

 

This method doesn't require any toolbox installation, etc.

 

Unmodifed V12 map download: DiscoverMedia2_EU_AS_1430_V12.7z

TMC providers update: DiscoverMedia2_EU_AS_1430_V12_TMC_Update_V2.7z

 

Instructions:

1. Download both 7z files.

2. Unzip unmodified V12 maps to SD card.  Instead of downloading, you can use your existing copy of V12 maps if you already have a copy.

3. Unzip the TMC Update to the same SD card, replacing any duplicate files.

4. Check/configure FEE BASED TRAFFIC INFO is set to 1023 using VCDS/OBD11.

 

Give a big thank you to @bigade1 for working out the correct TMC config and doing the testing on his MIB2STD. 👏

 

Attempted to modify the configuration so it will work with the standard FEE BASED TRAFFIC INFO adaptation value of 15...

TMC providers update: DiscoverMedia2_EU_AS_1430_V12_TMC_Update_V2.7z

 

This means you should be able to avoid step 4 which requires a coding tool to modify the adaptation to 1023. 🙂

If anyone is able to test it would be appreciated - Sorry, I don't have access to any MIB2STD equiped vehicles.

Will let one of the others have a go, otherwise it will be next Saturday with the car out again trapped behind the building work unless they get rained off. Sounds good if it works.

22 hours ago, pcbbc said:

 

Attempted to modify the configuration so it will work with the standard FEE BASED TRAFFIC INFO adaptation value of 15...

TMC providers update: DiscoverMedia2_EU_AS_1430_V12_TMC_Update_V2.7z

 

This means you should be able to avoid step 4 which requires a coding tool to modify the adaptation to 1023. 🙂

If anyone is able to test it would be appreciated - Sorry, I don't have access to any MIB2STD equiped vehicles.

Success works fine on the default TMC value of 15.

 

I put it on demo mode having found a road closure and did a test drive towards the closed road. It spun round and took a different route. Minehead at the minute.👌 Tested to destruction.

 

So that's good no coding is required.

Edited 10 July, 20232 yr by Tell

So is this a case of downloading the above file then just replacing the folder therefore not needing the 1023 coding? 

3 minutes ago, Lamplite1c said:

So is this a case of downloading the above file then just replacing the folder therefore not needing the 1023 coding? 

Correct. Does not require any coding.

Leave the TMC adaptation set as is (15).

Just unzip the modified files over the V12 maps.

Only works with maps up to and including V12 as previously discussed.

Theres a link to the V12 maps in my quoted post.

 

1023 will also still work for the coding, and for some users it may be a better choice. 1023 includes more enabled TMC providers for the rest of Europe.

If you can leave the two versions of the TMC update file on mega it wont mess up my post on the Seat site.

 

So

 

TMC providers update: DiscoverMedia2_EU_AS_1430_V12_TMC_Update_V2.7z

 

For 15 (default TMC code) and for 1023 if you have VCDS / Obdeleven

 

TMC providers update: DiscoverMedia2_EU_AS_1430_V12_TMC_Update.7z

I do credit you and bigade1.

 

Which additional European one's.