the thing with the clio is you need to keep your foot in to the redline in order to get it moving.

I know that, dont get me wrong I was booting it.

Its no faster than my VRS, just handle 90000 times better:)

LOL. All revs and no torque.

I prefer turbocharged power myself for day to day. The useful surge of grunt comes in handy for easy driving.

But, take it to a track day and a sky high red line and sharp throttle response come in very handy. Shame that normal driving situations don't resemble a race track.

:)Cars don't need to be the fastest, or even fast at all to have fun in and enjoy. My fleet proves that point perfectly.

your fleet is cool,and that beats fast anyday:thumbup:

Ok benji the other drivers were pants but i still did em:rofl:

well my vrs is a lot quiker than a tractor,a lorry,and a bus i left them 4 dead today yea ha

This is 1 hell of a long thread but I have to add my piece.

I owned a Fiesta ST for almost 2 years before I bought my vRS. The reason I changed was because I started doing a lot of miles for work and needed a diesel. The reason for choosing the vRS was I needed a car that was good on fuel, was quick and good on juice.

Comparing the 2 cars together:

The ST looks better

The ST handles much better and is not nose heavy at all

The ST did 30mpg when the vRS does 45mpg (brim to brim)

The ST was not a motorway car, it was noisy as hell and did not like the long distance, hence why I got the fabia and it eats up the miles in comfort.

The ST was a quick car but you really needed to rev the tits off it. The lack of low down torque meant when coming to a hill to really go anywhere you needed to drop a gear. (the gearbox was really good but shame it was only a 5 speed)

First impressions was that the fabia was quicker but I think that was because of the low down torque pushing you back in your seat. (my old man thinks that the fabia is quicker)

I think that with both cars standard they are about equal. I had the fabia remapped and there is no doubt in my mind that it would eat an ST for breakfast.

I looked into modding the ST but as said before silly money is involved to get big BHP gains. Someone even said that a bluefin remap only gave them 5BHP!

I would be very suprised to see an ST come flying past even if it was modded up.

But would I recommend the ST to anyone? Hell yeah as long as you don't do big miles. Shame they don't make a Fiesta with the vRS engine and put a 6 speed box in!

you've said it in your post there, teh fabia feels quicker than it is, even more so once remapped.

you've said it in your post there, teh fabia feels quicker than it is, even more so once remapped.

All about feel.

All know which one is quicker.

even if your standard fabia hit these figures?

more power as standard than the st,and much more torque

if thats totally standard gary then its BS. simple as that mate. otherwise what power is the PD160 making? 190bhp? then what about the PD170, 200bhp?

alos if your car got 155bhp then my 20year old standard mazda only had 148bhp all thsoe years ago so after the fence has rotted anda few have wandered off you still couldn't keep up even though i had a dodgy clutch and the tracking miles out

oh and you have nearly twice the torque too, so how come you couldn't keep up? :P

if thats totally standard gary then its BS. simple as that mate. otherwise what power is the PD160 making? 190bhp? then what about the PD170, 200bhp?

this graph is straight up mate,blew the other standard cars away at awesome yesterday and put the biggest grin on my face,we are going to get vagcom on it to study the boost logs,but apart from a pd160 pipe this is as it left the factory,no b/s i was amazed:eek:

1 Rolling Road graph? When you get time, drive down to Marlin's, or JKM.

It's just a RR mate. What's your WHP?

My Civic made 227 at a rolling road, and I stand here, and say it's complete ********, no way did it make that.

Do I think you could make those figures on every rolling road you attend? No.

For someone who has a 500bhp Skyline, you must be use to RR figures, that suprises me.

I honestly cannot believe, each time there is an argument, your going to run back to a silly peice of paper.

All that proves is the wheels go round.

trust me no one was more suprised than me,the whp was 142,and the other standard cars that ran did 122,same road same time same day,the dragon box equipped cars ran about the same and the mapped ones were running 170ish at the fly,so i believe it is reasonably accurate,chris rs made about 140 at the fly so exactly what his honda says on the tin,and sharkriders angle mapped punto made a bit more than me when he was expecting 170,so i would say being no stranger to rolling roads that on the same rollers,same conditions,same times on the same day these figures are acurate,i am only posting my dyno sheet everywhere cos i am proud of it.

And snoopie you allready know i am a realist not a dreamer,and according to some "one of those people on the internet";)

1 Rolling Road graph? When you get time, drive down to Marlin's, or JKM.

It's just a RR mate. What's your WHP?

My Civic made 227 at a rolling road, and I stand here, and say it's complete ********, no way did it make that.

Do I think you could make those figures on every rolling road you attend? No.

For someone who has a 500bhp Skyline, you must be use to RR figures, that suprises me.

I honestly cannot believe, each time there is an argument, your going to run back to a silly peice of paper.

hater...

142 at the wheels?

hater...

:rofl:

so your standard(apart from the mod) car made 10% more power at the wheels than the manufacturer claims at the fly?

so your standard(apart from the mod) car made 10% more power at the wheels than the manufacturer claims at the fly?

Yep. Skoda have accidentelly put a PD160 Engine in the car.

If the blue fabia was on its own, with nothing else to compare to on the day, i too would be sceptical, but why are you guys finding it hard to believe that one car made 20bhp more than other cars, on the same rollers, on the same day?

Manufacturers figures, as has been discussed a million times before, are the MINIMUM you can expect.

Saying "go on other rollers" is fine, but as we all know, all rolling roads read differently, and surely in the interests of fairness, all the other cars that made 122 bhp would have to go along too.

I often wonder what input you have to give on this site Snoopie sometimes. You obviously love your CTR, and thats fine..... didnt you used to own a Fabia? So why always stick your oar in to slate them where you can? Just seems odd. And .... just a piece of paper? Its a piece of paper PROVING that certain mods have made a difference (if you use the same RR for reference each time), and also good for comparing to other cars on the day. As none of us have any more accurate way of measuring a vehicles output, then the old faithful RR is quite a valuable source of this information. Whether it is or isnt pushing 142 bhp or not is another issue entirely, but it IS pushing more than other standard cars. That is difficult even for you to dispute from there in your armchair.

My friends stock ST is no quicker than a stock Fabia. It is however considerably slower than a remapped Fabia, in all circumstances, along with sounding course, and almost as loud as my stripped out Fabia....even though his has full trim.

As Chris, and myself said earlier in this thread, the ST will outhandle any Skoda at lower speeds, where they are very agile, and have pin sharp handling. Throw a longer road and some bumps in, and the Fabia takes the lead.

Amazingly this thread is back to where it started...

I often wonder what input you have to give on this site Snoopie sometimes. You obviously love your CTR, and thats fine..... didnt you used to own a Fabia? So why always stick your oar in to slate them where you can? Just seems odd. And .... just a piece of paper? Its a piece of paper PROVING that certain mods have made a difference (if you use the same RR for reference each time), and also good for comparing to other cars on the day. As none of us have any more accurate way of measuring a vehicles output, then the old faithful RR is quite a valuable source of this information. Whether it is or isnt pushing 142 bhp or not is another issue entirely, but it IS pushing more than other standard cars. That is difficult even for you to dispute from there in your armchair.

Wonder away. Are you completely blind to see what type of threads get put up on here day after day? Fabia beat this, fabia beat that, FFS, The Fabia never loses anything!

I had a Fabia, I know what it's capabilities are, and they only go to a certain line. No more!

They do not annihilate a FocusRS, a remapped LCR, a CTR, an Elise and a FiestaST.

So, When he comes to remap his car, and get's no more than 160-175. Are you going to slate his car, saying his remap is rubbish?

I loved my Fabia, and every minute I drove it, and I continue to say that. But turning a diesel pig into a 'fast car' in my opinion is pathetic, because it still doesn't do what other factory cars a few thousand pounds over it's price range do as standard. (Been there, done that)

Loving my CTR makes no difference to what input I've given on this site. Never have I once (why would i?) put up a pointless thread titled "Just beat a Fabia vRS" and then brag about it.

I'm the reverse, I tell the dreamers it doesn't happen. I don't own a FocusRS but I'll stick up for the Focus, knowing full well, it will **** over any Fabia.

I do the same on the Seat forum, or the Civic forum, members saying they destroyed an Impreza, they destroyed an EVO. It doesn't happen, there is no 'destroying' in cars that are pushing the same power.

My friends stock ST is no quicker than a stock Fabia. It is however considerably slower than a remapped Fabia, in all circumstances, along with sounding course, and almost as loud as my stripped out Fabia....even though his has full trim.

This is what I mean by the nonsense.

A remapped Fabia will do 0-100 in 22-24 seconds. Top speed 128-130.

A standard ST will do 0-100 in 22-23 seconds. Top speed 129-130.

At what point throughout the whole race you've had with your 'friends' ST, makes it considerably slower? Now I'm entrieved.

...Do yourself a favour guys and read all the posts again from the begginning and you will see how stupid the bickering is.

Its infantile to say the least.

1. People shouldnt brag about what cars beat what and who raced who. Simple fact, it is a specific crime to race a car on public roads. Save it for the track/private roads.

2. badge snobbery, saying some other car maker's build quality is crap or putting down another manufacturers car because it is a certain make eg FORD or VAUXHALL etc is pathetic. People buy whatever car because they choose too, you dont have to drive it so why does it bother you?

3. You cant really compare a Fabia vRS to a Fiesta ST anyway, diesel vs petrol, 1.9 vs 2.0, N/A vs turbo and the weight handicap etc. Best way to prove it is find one to race at santa pod, then there wont be a need for the above posts.

4. Every manufacturer like it or not has made some good cars in thier time, like it or not ford and vauxhall have, not just Skoda. Live with this fact and dont judge people on what car they drive, wheres the logic

in it? Life is too short.

[not knocking skoda's but anyone here who had the choice of any car on teh road and bought a skoda is simply mad i'd say as money no option there are many many faster/more comfortable/more competant cars out tehre

Yes, that is true, but there exists such a thing as badge loyalty (without being a snob) and also patriotism. I couldnt afford to buy a Tatra, so I have owned a few Skodas, namely, my late uncle was a lead engineer for Skoda works in Plzen, he helped build and design skodas, and since I can remember I have always liked Skodas, for being what they are. I couldnt care less about which car is quicker or has better interior or something as trivial as "build quality" as every car is not perfect, its every design and assembly as carried out by humans. Enough said.