I have bought something declared with some specification, I have paid as much as seller wanted, but I have received something different (without knowing of that)

 

Now I will be forced by government of Austria to modify my car, but not because of "serial mistake" but because of "serial FRAUD".

 

What can I do about it? Am I been cheated?

 

Can I at least ask for my money back and give back car in return?
I did not get what I have paid for.

 

Each day I drive my children to school/kindergarten from underground garage, with a lot of tdi's including of mine... What about childrens health? I was lied that I have bought "clean" diesel engine. What about that?

Spot on. Exactly how I plan to proceed.

1. Skoda updating my engine software so the cheat is no longer present and I then have proof its been fixed for when I sell the car.

2. I'm not convinced the update wont effect my performance so I want a cheque from VAG as compensation.

3. If the value of my car has gone down then I also want a cheque from VAG to compensate me for the loss.

Edited 11 October, 201510 yr by teebee

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If the value of my car has gone down then I also want a cheque from VAG to compensate me for the loss.

Past performance of an investment is no guide to its performance in the future. ... The value of investments may go down as well as up.

Cars are never a financial investment unless extremely rare and desirable.

Ours are financial liabilities

But minimising your losses is YOUR right

Maximising them is NOT any companies right

I'm impressed with folks loyalty to the brand, I myself have had a VW, a Seat and two Skodas but am I really a money grabbing opportunist to want some compensation for a drop in value and drop in spec from what I purchased.

Lying cheating VW's fiddle will lead to a drop in my engine performance and drop in resale values but hey that's OK I'll take that hit because I am loyal to the brand!

Well I don't think so!

Am I really putting workers out of job by wanting some compensation, I think the fines from the US will decide that outcome.

What about all the well paid directors at VW that sat on this information hoping it would never come out, cant have those poor chaps loosing their jobs.

TBH there is too much vested interest to let VAG go bust I can never see it happening.

Not sure I would join a class action though, they just cost you money, drag on for years and keeps lawyers in fast cars.

At the end of the day I'll probably get SFA apart from a software update and a Skoda key ring.

So I'll just end up taking the hit and never buy VAG again!

^^^^ I'm sure they'll accommodate you with a v good trade in option ......a form of buyback.

Spot on. Exactly how I plan to proceed.

1. Skoda updating my engine software so the cheat is no longer present and I then have proof its been fixed for when I sell the car.

2. I'm not convinced the update wont effect my performance so I want a cheque from VAG as compensation.

3. If the value of my car has gone down then I also want a cheque from VAG to compensate me for the loss.

Well said teebee, what you say I think is what we are due. I think the update will adversely affect the performance, if it does not, V A G would have fitted it in the first place. I am  very sad re this  revelation as  my faith certainly has been shaken and I will be stirred.  The Superb does seem a well made car, body guarantee much longer than most competitors', so where one can go is posing a problem.  V A G's sales will most definitely be adversely affected, especially when the  results of  the lawyers'  results become  manifest to all. The employees  get an annual bonus in excess of 6000? euros, which they won't be getting this and for several years to come. And Main Agents will suffer and dealers with V A G products on their  hands. A sad business all round, as usual  the only  gainers will be the lawyers.

Well well well the plot thickens,VAG RECEIVED BILLIONS in loans to produce low emission engines,£1.3 billion from the EIB.Perhaps the board will all be out now looking for Hitlers lost gold or is that another tale.

The ICCT (International Council on Clean Transportation) has an interesting contribution on vehicle NOx emmissions.

'NOx Control Technologies for euro 6 diesel passenger cars'

Including that from Jan 2016, 'real driving emmissions' (RDE), a more realistic testing schedule, will be in place.

Beyond that, from 2017, a 'World Harmonized Light Vehicles Test Cycle' (WLTC).

Which I guess it means what it seems - all on the same playing field.

Data was collected from a German auto club and revealed winners and losers.....but I couldn't find that listed.

Today's 'The Conversation' has more academic articles on this little issue, including

Compensation options and much more.

There is one by a diesel technician supporting the proposition that there is, in fact, a bright future for diesel.

Well well well the plot thickens,VAG RECEIVED BILLIONS in loans to produce low emission engines,£1.3 billion from the EIB.Perhaps the board will all be out now looking for Hitlers lost gold or is that another tale.

Source?

 

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There is one by a diesel technician supporting the proposition that there is, in fact, a bright future for diesel.

Will wonders never cease?

^^^^^source? Mr hoyer president of EIB,European investment bank told a German newspaper that loans of €4.6 billion granted since 1990 with £1.8 outstanding as reported by BBC news

I guess you will all be interested in VW's UK CEO who is fronting the Commons Transport Committee today.

Only if he talks compensation,to make Vag owners the happiest in the country,wonder what his/herr expenses are for a few days,appears strange that questions are to be answered when so little information is given to owners.

I'm impressed with folks loyalty to the brand, I myself have had a VW, a Seat and two Skodas but am I really a money grabbing opportunist to want some compensation for a drop in value and drop in spec from what I purchased. SPECULATION!

Lying cheating VW's fiddle will lead to a drop in my engine performance and drop in resale values but hey that's OK I'll take that hit because I am loyal to the brand!

Well I don't think so! SPECULATION!

Am I really putting workers out of job by wanting some compensation, I think the fines from the US will decide that outcome. SPECULATION!

What about all the well paid directors at VW that sat on this information hoping it would never come out, cant have those poor chaps loosing their jobs.

TBH there is too much vested interest to let VAG go bust I can never see it happening. PROBABLY TRUE

Not sure I would join a class action though, they just cost you money, drag on for years and keeps lawyers in fast cars. TRUE!

At the end of the day I'll probably get SFA apart from a software update and a Skoda key ring. POSSIBLY TRUE

So I'll just end up taking the hit and never by VAG again! REALLY?

I was in my friendly Volkswagen dealer the other day discussing an irritating fault on my Polo

And I bought up the issue of the emissions. They said that they were unaware of the potential fix solution and customers had been surprising supportive. However they felt VAG had "duped" (my suggested word) everyone but just had to carry on with business.

^^^^^source? Mr hoyer president of EIB,European investment bank told a German newspaper that loans of €4.6 billion granted since 1990 with £1.8 outstanding as reported by BBC news

“If we determine that the loans that we have extended to drive engine developments have not contributed to combating climate change, but have possibly done the contrary, then that is a reputational problem also for us,” [EIB chief Werner Hoye] said. Hoyer suggested that the bank was unlikely to request the loans be repaid, saying it had no interest in seeking to “wreck” the company.

 

Germany’s Sueddeutsche Zeitung reported that the EIB had extended favorably-priced loans to VW of some 4.6 billion euros ($5.2 billion) since 1990 partly for research into cleaner engines, of which about 1.8 billion euros is outstanding. Volkswagen spokesman Eric Felber declined to comment on the report. “I suspect that the corresponding loans have long since been paid back, but nevertheless it is a problem,” (LINK)

 

THAT is a "Source".

 

It is good to see that Herr Hoyer is less keen on wrecking VAG than some people here seem to be.

Edited 12 October, 201510 yr by vxh26

I don't think a few thousand comments on here will ever wreck VAG,they have done more than enough in their action to 11.000,000 customers to harm them self.

I can safely say that when I sold cars, I never had a single person ask me what the amount of Carbon Nitrogens' coming out of the cars pee-pee was. I raised this question with my Suzuki salesman and he said in all the years he'd been selling (many), nobody had asked him either. Seems to be a bit of the 'Daily Mail;' syndrome gone mad.

 

 

 

Lets move on.........................................and all  just buy petrol V8s

Still amazed that older members feel the need to chastise other member (adults) for being angry at VW and wanting recompense for the deceit. Pain (even if its emotional or anxiety etc.) is a human response that's sole purpose is to prevent the individual repeating actions that cause said pain. Now the Lies and Deceit are proven NOT SPECULATION! now the finer detail of the remedial work that needs to be carried out to fix the cheat may still need to be ironed out. However to blindly trust that VAG will carry out the work with in the publics interest rather than their shareholders and regulators interests is at best foolhardy. In fact if your that trusting and willing to repeat the mistakes in life then im surprised you have reached this age without natural selection taking care of things. Give people a break will you they are just concerned about the second biggest investment in capital they will probably ever make.

 

Analogy = Would you re-hire a builder who had left your home extension venting heat into the atmosphere due to lack of insulation or any other defect due to cutting corners no you would find a better builder. This blind badge/brand loyalty is nonsensical. I love all 4 of my Skoda's and I will think next time about buying another VAG and its also damaged my view of diesels across all marques.

Don't know if it's been mentioned in the hallowed previous posts (I can't catch up on all of them now, as I won't be retired for at least another 10 years and so don't have the time) but this emissions malarkey made me think of an easy fix. For years I've read about chip tuning companies that 'improve' your cars performance............and get this.................it's fuel consumption too. All because the lazy engineers at the big manufacturers don't know what they are doing. So why don't the chip tuners and remappers fix the emissions problems for VW and make their cars faster and more efficient into the bargain Simples

Still amazed that older members feel the need to chastise other member (adults) for being angry at VW and wanting recompense for the deceit. Pain (even if its emotional or anxiety etc.) is a human response that's sole purpose is to prevent the individual repeating actions that cause said pain. Now the Lies and Deceit are proven NOT SPECULATION! now the finer detail of the remedial work that needs to be carried out to fix the cheat may still need to be ironed out. However to blindly trust that VAG will carry out the work with in the publics interest rather than their shareholders and regulators interests is at best foolhardy. In fact if your that trusting and willing to repeat the mistakes in life then im surprised you have reached this age without natural selection taking care of things. Give people a break will you they are just concerned about the second biggest investment in capital they will probably ever make.

 

Analogy = Would you re-hire a builder who had left your home extension venting heat into the atmosphere due to lack of insulation or any other defect due to cutting corners no you would find a better builder. This blind badge/brand loyalty is nonsensical. I love all 4 of my Skoda's and I will think next time about buying another VAG and its also damaged my view of diesels across all marques.

 

The SPECULATION is not that the "problem" exists; I think we all agree that there may be a "cheat" in the fueling programming, but all the SPECULATION of what the "cure" is going to be. We have seen everything from changing engines to fitting Ad-blue systems to a simple re-programme to remove the "cheat".

The SPECULATION is not that the "problem" exists; I think we all agree that there may be a "cheat" in the fueling programming, but all the SPECULATION of what the "cure" is going to be. We have seen everything from changing engines to fitting Ad-blue systems to a simple re-programme to remove the "cheat".

 

The point is you seam to be overly optimistic of the outcome with no basis for this assumption. I would think those who have worry's and apprehension are in the majority and rightly so. You can be relaxed about it without berating people for your perceived notion that they are overreacting.

THAT is a "Source".

 

It is good to see that Herr Hoyer is less keen on wrecking VAG than some people here seem to be.

 

More likely someone within the EIB had knowledge that the money would be used for things other than its intended purpose and therefore if they rock the boat people will start digging and find out they were complicit in the misappropriation of funds from the EU. Germany as the biggest contributor will want something back in terms of a kick back. Its a good way of cleaning money by putting it through the EU. Smacks of parallels with the FIFA scandal. Why people are so trusting of people in suits I will never know. No one as far as I can tell wants to wreck VAG just make them rightly accountable for their actions and deliberately deceiving their customers should not be allowed to be swept under the rug. What if the next one is that airbags have carcinogenic powder or that the seatbelt pretensions can fire under certain conditions or the springs in the suspension are made with the wrong grade of material all because the money counters in suits have got away with a few earlier infractions and start to think they are untouchable.

A good outcome from this will be VAG learn their lesson sack a few of the involved staff as a deterrent and change their approach. I hope this is the case but I lack confidence in this outcome.

Still amazed that older members feel the need to chastise other member (adults) for being angry at VW and wanting recompense for the deceit. Pain (even if its emotional or anxiety etc.) is a human response that's sole purpose is to prevent the individual repeating actions that cause said pain. Now the Lies and Deceit are proven NOT SPECULATION! now the finer detail of the remedial work that needs to be carried out to fix the cheat may still need to be ironed out. However to blindly trust that VAG will carry out the work with in the publics interest rather than their shareholders and regulators interests is at best foolhardy. In fact if your that trusting and willing to repeat the mistakes in life then im surprised you have reached this age without natural selection taking care of things. Give people a break will you they are just concerned about the second biggest investment in capital they will probably ever make.

 

Analogy = Would you re-hire a builder who had left your home extension venting heat into the atmosphere due to lack of insulation or any other defect due to cutting corners no you would find a better builder. This blind badge/brand loyalty is nonsensical. I love all 4 of my Skoda's and I will think next time about buying another VAG and its also damaged my view of diesels across all marques.

I can only speak for myself.

 

What VW (and probably other manufacturers) did is an absolute disgrace; they should certainly be investigated and if they have broken any laws, be prosecuted for it.

 

The way that various Shylocks are eyeing this up as "a nice little earner" is shameful. They have an absolute right to get their cars fixed. Claiming that they have suffered mental torment and "pain" is shameful; frankly they should grow a pair - in the case of the males - the females, many of whom do actually understand what pain is like probably have more self-respect.

 

As to your builder analogy, personally I don't have very high expectations of builders, I always check their work to the best of my ability and where I find that they have failed in their workmanship I expect them to put things right. What I don't do is whine that I have spent hours every night crying into my pillow and I want compensation for my "pain".

 

 

ps - none of the many cars I have driven has ever achieved the MPG figures claimed by the car manufacturers; this has caused me enormous "pain", would anyone care to join me in a speculative class action against car manufacturers, Governments and lazy Journalists?

 

pps - I am glad to see that you have learnt something about diesels, so not a complete loss then

Edited 12 October, 201510 yr by vxh26