... none of the many cars I have driven has ever achieved the MPG figures claimed by the car manufacturers; this has caused me enormous "pain", would anyone care to join me in a speculative class action against car manufacturers?

 

Off you go:

http://www.which.co.uk/campaigns/car-fuel-tests-trust/?gclid=Cj0KEQjwkeiwBRCzmo-wiKL49pEBEiQAhvGKYScWyHl5SxziAEdmgOo_GvzO1YqXzMOB1TEStMxsnvQaAqKy8P8HAQ

 

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Edited 12 October, 201510 yr by 67igor1

Hmm.. Perhaps I should that. The 1.8Tsi 4x4 aint even close to the quoted consumption.

The point is you seam to be overly optimistic of the outcome with no basis for this assumption. I would think those who have worry's and apprehension are in the majority and rightly so. You can be relaxed about it without berating people for your perceived notion that they are overreacting.

 

I am making NO assumptions. 

However what I am doing is waiting for a DEFINITIVE statement from VAG.

As yet we have only had an admission that a cheat exists that has definitely been used to pass a test in America, and possibly in the EU.

We have had NO statement as to what any "fix" might be, or what effect it may have

 

Therefore any SPECULATION as to what the "fix" will be and what effects it will have are an over reaction, because we have NO facts.

...mpg gaps:

 

As yet we have only had an admission that a cheat exists that has definitely been used to pass a test in America, and possibly in the EU.

We have had NO statement as to what any "fix" might be, or what effect it may have

 

tested diesel cars:

 

Meaningless graph, since it doesn't show what the grey lines actually relate to!

VAG announces today new injectors on 1.6 d are required and only software on 2.0l

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/vw-emissions-scandal-live-blog-uk-boss-faces-mp-questions

VAG announces today new injectors on 1.6 d are required and only software on 2.0l

 

I stated last week that the 2lt was just a quick 20 min software fix......................

 

 

from my source................cough cough................can't say where..............

 

I wonder what the 1.2 will require?....................shed loads more???

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/vw-emissions-scandal-live-blog-uk-boss-faces-mp-questions

 

And here:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34505593

Note that VW have stated that 1.6 diesels will need new injectors. That the others are just a software fix,so they already know the alterations needed,but I notice that there is no answer still to the obvious up on fuel down on power, or no change to either they could calm there customer base and the market by giving us the info, the only reason I can think of and yes I know it's speculation is that it's will be a negative result,I really hope not as I like my car as I bought it,if I thought it would be treated like a dog and have its nuts cut off I would not have bothered.

VAG announces today new injectors on 1.6 d are required and only software on 2.0l

What my dealer told me at lunchtime.

Looks like the 1.6's will be taking a battering on resale prices

The fact that they're replacing injectors implies that they are doing more than simply removing the defeat device itself.

I will want to see if these mods have adverse mpg and performance consequences before proceeding.

I have to say this recent fiasco wouldn't put me off buying a VAG car again, petrol or diesel. People screaming that owning or liking VAG is akin to Devil worshiping, almost certainly have no idea of what coding is in their own cars ECU. I doubt anyone but  hand full of engineers at any of the main manufacturers genuinely understand what's actually programmed into a cars brain, regardless of what make it is. 'Holier than though' is so pointless when none of us know what we are driving (and whether out own cars will be the next in the firing line)

I can safely say that when I sold cars, I never had a single person ask me what the amount of Carbon Nitrogens' coming out of the cars pee-pee was. I raised this question with my Suzuki salesman and he said in all the years he'd been selling (many), nobody had asked him either. Seems to be a bit of the 'Daily Mail;' syndrome gone mad.

 

 

 

Lets move on.........................................and all  just buy petrol V8s

 

Why would they? It would be expected that they meet the current regulations at the time.

 

And those that are especially concerned about emissions would have done their research beforehand.

Oh poo how long is this work going to take ? How will it effect the characteristic of the car ? Once fixed time to get rid me thinks !

...mpg gaps:

 

 

I've always been sceptical of increasing MPH gallon figures.

 

I changed a 2003 Fiat Stilo 1.9 TDI for my 2015 Yeti 2.0 TDI 110PS (both 2WD) and the Stilo was no lightweight and got virtually the same figures i.e. mid - 50's.

 

I know the Yeti has the aerodynamics of a brick but I don't drive it that fast so shouldn't have too much of an impact. Of course the emissions have improved over time but it's been the MPG that makes the headline figures.

 

A Golf would be a better comparison I suppose, what do they achieve?

Some might say that's SPECULATION !

Some might say that's SPECULATION !

And here:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34505593

No real benefit of smaller injectors (smaller holes at nozzle) if fuel pressure in common rail is same. So, they will/should change high pressure pump and/or rail interface (my opinion). For smaller hole they need bigger pressure to accomplish better spray of fuel and same performance of engine.

My SPECULATION is that those injectors are from Euro 6 tdi engines

No real benefit of smaller injectors (smaller holes at nozzle) if fuel pressure in common rail is same. So, they will/should change high pressure pump and/or rail interface (my opinion). For smaller hole they need bigger pressure to accomplish better spray of fuel and same performance of engine.

Will they risk higher pressure on fuel pump? It can cauce to damages...

Edited 12 October, 201510 yr by 67igor1

ofcourse not, but about 2 weeks ago I have read something about replacing pump with new one

 

"Volkswagen expects that carbon dioxide emission and fuel consumption will rise as a result of the software switch, but only minimally, and still within environmental standards.

In some cases hardware changes will also be necessary. In vehicles with 1.2-liter and 1.6-liter engines, which aren’t sold in the U.S., a hardware change will likely be necessary because a fuel injection pump has to be replaced to ensure a smooth ride, Mr. Buhlmann said. In Europe, vehicles with 2-liter engines will only need a software update, but it isn’t clear whether that would suffice in the U.S. due to different standards. "

http://www.wsj.com/articles/volkswagen-has-refit-plan-for-emissions-rigged-vehicles-says-ceo-1443525496

Edited 12 October, 201510 yr by ppejic

I can safely say that when I sold cars, I never had a single person ask me what the amount of Carbon Nitrogens' coming out of the cars pee-pee was. I raised this question with my Suzuki salesman and he said in all the years he'd been selling (many), nobody had asked him either. Seems to be a bit of the 'Daily Mail;' syndrome gone mad.

 

 

 

Lets move on.........................................and all  just buy petrol V8s

V6s are nice too!

And fairly economical and clean.

How come vw v6 diesel is ok when 3/4 cylinder arn't???

I too love my Skoda. Had already planned to go back to petrol / hybrid, when this happened. Audi A3 1.4 COD stronic Sportback was top of my list.

 

I do not think that I could ever buy another VAG product again. If I cannot trust someone / something then that's it, over​. My motto in life, learnt the hard way sometimes.

I too love my Skoda. Had already planned to go back to petrol / hybrid, when this happened. Audi A3 1.4 COD stronic Sportback was top of my list.

 

I do not think that I could ever buy another VAG product again. If I cannot trust someone / something then that's it, over​. My motto in life, learnt the hard way sometimes.

 

I would wait until other manufacturers are tested because it looks like there all at it which might leave you with a very narrow choice for your next car.

It seams people are at opposite ends of the spectrum, where is the pragmatism? At one end you have blind loyalty, indifference and an inability to empathise with peoples obvious anxiety about the hole cheat saga and at the other end people who are biting nose off to spite face because they feel betrayed and arn't prepared to give VAG a second chance. The balanced approach is to be rightly annoyed, concerned about the possible outcome and effects but ultimately be mindfull that after the scandal is over when you compare VAG's to the competition they might still ultimately be the better buy so to discount them based on a 1 off white lie (being economical with the truth) is a little ott but ultimately your choice and as you rightly say sometimes you learn from your mistakes the hard way.