For those into 'self harm', there are interesting articles in today's Green Car Reports

For tuners (both supply and buy) regarding taking from the public arena information about software and applying copyright to it for future vehicles.

 

Interesting reading here

 

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1100225_why-did-volkswagen-cheat-on-diesel-emissions-in-its-tdi-cars

 

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1100425_vw-diesel-acceleration-fuel-economy-fall-without-cheat-mode-video

 

Besides my 2015 Yeti 2lt 170 bhp dsg L&K needing to have the fix.

We also have a VW caddy maxi life 1.6 with a TBC mobility conversion this has a custom exhaust fitted so if it needs an exhaust mod as part of the fix then that could be interesting !!!!

Thanks for the link Killy.

I would but I don't think I can on an iPad ......I prefer Chrome.....maybe that's the reason.....or just age related incompetence (ARI).

Today's Guardian has another American VW emissions query about another potential 'fiddle' for their 2016 vehicles and which, it seems, subject to another investigation.

"The automaker revealed to US regulators last week that its 2016 diesel models may have a different device that could help those vehicles earn higher marks on the government's emissions tests. The tech in question is "auxiliary emissions control device" separate from the software on automobiles made between 2009-2015 that was first disclosed last month. This new software heats the pollution control catalyst quicker, boosting the performance of the components responsible for separating harmful nitrogen dioxide into nitrogen and oxygen."

Hm...

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Yup, that's it . . . Godwin's Law . . . had to happen.

Yes, you're probably right. The very least that Skoda UK should offer is a guarantee that no one will lose out money wise, when they come to sell the vehicle.

How would that work?

Who knows what your car "might" be worth at some future indeterminate date?

It is quite incredible the bizarre ideas that some people come up with.

"The automaker revealed to US regulators last week that its 2016 diesel models may have a different device that could help those vehicles earn higher marks on the government's emissions tests. The tech in question is "auxiliary emissions control device" separate from the software on automobiles made between 2009-2015 that was first disclosed last month. This new software heats the pollution control catalyst quicker, boosting the performance of the components responsible for separating harmful nitrogen dioxide into nitrogen and oxygen."

Hm...

I don't see any problem there, it is not cheating, but only boosting eco-performance

Germans KBA agency of transportations said that reparation of vehicles is MANDATORY. No Reparation - no TÜV certificate -> car out of traffic.
So, because it is MUST, then if any performance of vehicle is degraded -> private suit.

How would that work?

Who knows what your car "might" be worth at some future indeterminate date?

It is quite incredible the bizarre ideas that some people come up with.

Let me get this straight

You think it "bizarre' that current owners should consider their vehicle's, now known, devalued market worth and have the temerity to expect some sort of consideration at some point?.

Bizarre indeed!

I don't see any problem there, it is not cheating, but only boosting eco-performance

 

Its only a problem If the technology is redundant in real life driving and only active during a test.

But one is coming between now and 2017 which will affect a number of people who'll still be under a credit agreement

 

There is a PROPOSAL for a new test, but that will only affect new vehicles registered after the date of the Legislation, and is not retrospective.

 

The process by which your relevant govt department gives emissions test approval.

I would expect a list of VINs would be made of all affected vehicles and those not ticked off as fixed would attract attention once beyond a specified date for completion (at VW's expense).

VW have to have a date for completion so that they can satisfy angry govt's that they have in fact completed the recall process.

VW can then advise govt (registering authorities) of any VINs that have not cooperated or been fixed for what ever reason.

The first thing 'the trade' will do is look for the recall completion sticker on the base of the A pillar.

We may want what we want but govt's may actually take this seriously.

What happen next is the .......maybe

 

No Type Approval certificates have been withdrawn.

Therefore scaremongering.

How would that work?

Who knows what your car "might" be worth at some future indeterminate date?

It is quite incredible the bizarre ideas that some people come up with.

I mean the price that I paid when I bought the car from the Skoda dealership.

There is a PROPOSAL for a new test, but that will only affect new vehicles registered after the date of the Legislation, and is not retrospective.

 

 

No Type Approval certificates have been withdrawn.

Therefore scaremongering.

Graham,

Why is everything scaremongering?

It may not be the case in the UK but it is a certifying test requirement that the Australian govt requires for the subsequent sale of the vehicle.

The manufacturer holds the certificate of compliance for minimum safety and emissions standards.

The vehicles are now regarded as no longer being 'compliant' and as such need to be retested to regain compliance and thus certified as meeting minimum standards.

Graham,

Why is everything scaremongering?

It may not be the case in the UK but it is a certifying test requirement that the Australian govt requires for the subsequent sale of the vehicle.

The manufacturer holds the certificate of compliance for minimum safety and emissions standards.

The vehicles are now regarded as no longer being 'compliant' and as such need to be retested to regain compliance and thus certified as meeting minimum standards.

 

Because VAG are squeaky clean in all of this and he wont have a bad word said against them. Unstoppable force meets immovable object springs to mind. There is a fine line between being principled and resolute and down right stubborn and awkward and Graham crashes through the line and smashes it to bits.

I mean the price that I paid when I bought the car from the Skoda dealership.

I take your point there but i can see that idea going nowhere, but in terms of what a car ' should ' be worth with a given mileage and condition can be spec'd very well at the moment, on the PCP deals they already give a very accurate figure of what it will be worth in exactly 36 months time should you do these miles and its in this condition.... these figures are within the Glasses and Cap guides already and on their databases, it could be seen reasonably easily if our cars start to drop a lot from what the market thought they should  be worth. My car appears to need a lot of ' mechanical ' work, not keen on wasting a day of my life on this, but i will wait and see what the ' fix ' is first, i can see though it affecting values if we don't get the work done and we come to px (as stated above in another post). If there is any ' compo ' to be had then i will be at the front of the line

Volkswagen has been ordered to recall 2.4 million cars in Germany by the country's automotive watchdog as a result of the diesel emissions scandal.

The MOT for diesels is only a smoke test. There is NO emissions test!

 

I realise that but if there's a lot of claims about what the government might do to cars that don't get the recall however given most cars are failing the limits they were tested to anyway, there's no way they can do this.

 

John

Graham,

Why is everything scaremongering?

It may not be the case in the UK but it is a certifying test requirement that the Australian govt requires for the subsequent sale of the vehicle.

The manufacturer holds the certificate of compliance for minimum safety and emissions standards.

The vehicles are now regarded as no longer being 'compliant' and as such need to be retested to regain compliance and thus certified as meeting minimum standards.

 

Because no Type Approval certificates have been revoked in the EU and there has been no mention of that being proposed either.

Because VAG are squeaky clean in all of this and he wont have a bad word said against them. Unstoppable force meets immovable object springs to mind. There is a fine line between being principled and resolute and down right stubborn and awkward and Graham crashes through the line and smashes it to bits.

 

Perhaps you need to read what I have written, not what you think I have written.

I have never said that VAG have been "squeaky clean" but I have said that until we know EXACTLY what the fix is going to be then any response is pointless. There are too many people on here speculating on the unknown.

I realise that but if there's a lot of claims about what the government might do to cars that don't get the recall however given most cars are failing the limits they were tested to anyway, there's no way they can do this.

 

John

 

How are they going to test them? 

The equipment in the MOT stations is currently not capable of doing so.

I believe I'm right in saying that neither US nor EU lab testing protocols test the engine's emissions at full power?

So any calibration changes required to legitimately get through these tests may not need to have any impact on foot-to-the-floor behaviour of the engine?

 

Reason to be cheerful?

Perhaps you need to read what I have written, not what you think I have written.

I have never said that VAG have been "squeaky clean" but I have said that until we know EXACTLY what the fix is going to be then any response is pointless. There are too many people on here speculating on the unknown.

 

If it was known then there would be no point in speculating, you seam to misunderstand the point of a Discussion forum and want a gestapo run system instead. Where everyone has to agree with the defacto opinion namely yours and if not you get your red marker pen out.

Lets just say there will be a list of VINs

And eventually VW will want legal 'relief' by demonstrating that the recall has been completed.

Let your imaginations run wild....ready......set.......

I believe I'm right in saying that neither US nor EU lab testing protocols test the engine's emissions at full power?

So any calibration changes required to legitimately get through these tests may not need to have any impact on foot-to-the-floor behaviour of the engine?

 

Reason to be cheerful?

The more realistic testing regime I understands commences January 2016.

It won't have the criticised 'creeping' acceleration, it'll be more realistic and I'd expect heavier constant load running.

But the agencies involved aren't going to expect those levels to be maintained at all times on the road, just not multiple times more.

I realise everyone feels hurt and a bit let down by this issue I do myself but the point Graham is making is that there is no point in over reacting. In the real world the VAG cars are producing lower harmful emissions than other manufactures with or without the defeat devices.. :sun:

Let me get this straight

You think it "bizarre' that current owners should consider their vehicle's, now known, devalued market worth and have the temerity to expect some sort of consideration at some point?.

Bizarre indeed!

You seem to be suffering some confusion between the phrases "some future indeterminate date" and "now known". 

 

Let me assist you in getting straight the concept of future values and what VAG may do. I refer you to the helpful advice offered by the known warmonger Donald Rumsfeld "There are known knowns, there are known unknowns and there are also unknown unknowns"