EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 2

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1 hour ago, S00perb said:

Customs loves quoting the Minimum Indicative Levels as some kind of stick - I take it they are the same as in this article - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2163550.stm

 

 

Forget the Westmalle - buy the Westvleteren 12 - an aged bottle (just a few years) is worth hundreds in the US (obviously mine are all for personal use officer)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Westvleteren-XII-Trappist-Westvletern-12-/222241578270?hash=item33bea15d1e:g:JbsAAOSwMtxXvJOS

 

What would my legal status be if I sold the empty bottles after drinking the contents? They are still worth more then purchasing them full:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Belgian-Westvleteren-XII-Westy-12-Trappist-Beer-Bottle-EMPTY-With-CAP-TOP-/222633649124?hash=item33d5ffe3e4:g:T5AAAOSwtYxZgfuj

 

So IF we ever leave the EU and I have paid full UK tax on 330 bottles each time I have been over - can I then sell them legally to nutty yanks? If so that is $2400 per trip!!

 

 

In the UK we charge 5% customs duty for most bottles, CCN 7010 90 I quick checked.   I can check the US duty rate.

Some countries, like Denmark, charge an Excise Duty on glass in addition to any customs duties.

 

Then there is all the cost of freight, insurance etc.   We do huge amounts of drink movements all of the world.

 

Getting rid of the empties was one of our biggest problems in UK Customs.  One consignment with over 5,000 bottles I seized was a nightmare to dispose of.

 

 

 

[moley]

11 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

No, No.

 

It is not a case of "won't" it is a case of less:-

• Might be Less flights due to EU slot access and economic downturn that is occurring in the UK relative to the EU
• no customs duty on beer but the travel allowance would be much less ie 16 litres instead of 110 litres
• It is already 30% more expensive than two years ago to go to Euro countries.  I saw more Irish in Spain than Brits mainly due to RoE and UK economy
• Cars might would have 10% more import added cost if we reciprocate to the duty EU charging on our cars so you can pay more or choice a cheaper model
• Dover is an industry worry as is Calais so there would be ways round in ie other channel ports or fly, more cost.
• What can I say

 

The degree of being poorer is probably only a few percent, as BoE, my old firm PwC and others have said.   Some are happy to pay this for the illusion of immigration control despite the historic data showing Cons let in a million non-EU citizens since 2010, the damage it is and will do to our NHS, R&D etc. 

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MADRID (Reuters) - The number of British tourists visiting Spain jumped by the most in over a decade to hit a record in 2016, defying expectations of a slowdown in bookings after June’s Brexit vote and the subsequent tumble in sterling.

The trend looks set to continue into this year, with British early bookings for 2017 summer holidays in Spain up 16 percent on last year, according to travel market analysts GfK.

 

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1 hour ago, moley said:

 

 

 

As you fall off a cliff you might be collected by an passing alien spaceship...

 

     

[gadgetman]

Nice to see BoJo after standing by the £350m NHS claim during campaigning, then distancing from it afterwards, is again on about the £350m going to the NHS again. 

 

As proved its less than £200m post rebate, and the money has already been promised elsewhere 5x over. 

 

It's almost as if he's campaigning for something again.... 

[S00perb]

4 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

Nice to see BoJo after standing by the £350m NHS claim during campaigning, then distancing from it afterwards, is again on about the £350m going to the NHS again. 

 

As proved its less than £200m post rebate, and the money has already been promised elsewhere 5x over. 

 

It's almost as if he's campaigning for something again.... 

He is a bit like Trump - can't keep to one idea for long, says whatever pops into his head at the time and simply doesn't care if he is proved wrong

[S00perb]

I don't know what game BoJo is playing, but that is not surprising - HE doesn't know what game he is playing:

 

[gadgetman]

8 minutes ago, S00perb said:

He is a bit like Trump - can't keep to one idea for long, says whatever pops into his head at the time and simply doesn't care if he is proved wrong

https://infacts.org/boris-johnson-cant-stop-lying-350m-nhs/

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Leaving the EU is not really a cliff edge but more like jumping out of a first story window for a 1 penny bet.

 

The likelyhood is the UK will not emerge injury free.  

Whether it is a sprained ankle or a broken leg we will see shortly but it looks as if we caught out trousers on the window latch and our *ss is hanging out of our trousers.

 

The big question is how much of the pain of post BREXIT weaker currency, inflation is factored in and how much more is to come.

Especially, as it is looking more likely due to the inept negotiation, the UK could end up with no trade agreement and simply become another external country to the world's largest market.  

 

Lots of guff around what the EU does and does not do but here is the FT's text and vid.....

 

https://www.ft.com/content/1688d0e4-15ef-11e6-b197-a4af20d5575e

 

   

   

[Sad555]

[Ootohere]

Michael O'Leary / Ryanair seems to have got the grasp of this forthcoming BREXIT thing worked out, 

they must be learning from Whizz Air.

 

Lets see how the EU makes sure that EU Flight Delay or Cancellation Compensation is handled as supposed to be in the EU.

Maybe also see how the EU Commissioners get on with having Germany get a grip of the VW Group and the treatment of customers after all the assurances they gave to fix vehicles.

Edited 17 September, 2017 by Headinawayoffski

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10 hours ago, Sad555 said:

 

 

JD Weatherspoons is about a quarter the size of the smallest FTSE 100 company.

 

Martin's views do not represent the majority of British businessman.

 

Sadly he lives in Devon which is Devon's burden.  I would like to have a chat with him but he seems too blinkered and nice by dim "Tim" to have a conversation with.

 

Nephew just finished working for him and would rather do anything else than work for them.  

Their beer is OK but their food absolutely terrible, like warmed up ready meals. 

 

Edited 18 September, 2017 by lol-lol

[Ootohere]

Just about affordable, maybe as a treat once in a blue moon to those maybe working for a £7.50 Minimum Wage or on limited income / pension etc and are still paying Taxes & NI while just getting by.

It can be amazing the snobbery of those that get their meals and travel paid for and can earn enough to be saving for their retirement time without ever 

having to consider eating or socialising where plebs might frequent.

(£5.99 9 piece KFC Tuesday just 25 hours away, terrible food to some, but to others maybe the only day they will have the finger lickin good treat.)

 

So many have no idea who owns companies in the UK, and what taxes they pay or do not pay in the UK, 

but then they are all employers which is what the UK needs obviously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitbread 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-40192970 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-39410075 

Edited 18 September, 2017 by Headinawayoffski

[CWARD]

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

 

JD Weatherspoons is about a quarter the size of the smallest FTSE 100 company.

 

Martin's views do not represent the majority of British businessman.

 

Sadly he lives in Devon which is Devon's burden.  I would like to have a chat with him but he seems too blinkered and nice by dim "Tim" to have a conversation with.

 

Nephew just finished working for him and would rather do anything else than work for them.  

Their beer is OK but their food absolutely terrible, like warmed up ready meals. 

 

 

Maybe a small company but then so many small companies do not get a say when they are up against multinationals and their interests never heard, yet small companies are vital to the UK economy.

 

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SMEs and the Economy:

Small businesses accounted for 99.3% of all private sector businesses at the start of 2016 and 99.9% were small or medium-sized (SMEs).

Total employment in SMEs was 15.7 million; 60% of all private sector employment in the UK.

The combined annual turnover of SMEs was £1.8 trillion, 47% of all private sector turnover in the UK.

 

I guess there is no need to listen to them.

 

BTW. Weatherspoons food is mainly prepacked and then prepared in the kitchen. I don't think that is a startling revelation most chains do including quite a few well known restaurants. This is how come you can do a meal and drink for £6.

 

Staff reviews aren't too bad either https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Reviews/J-D-Wetherspoon-Kitchen-Staff-Reviews-EI_IE10905.0,15_KO16,29.htm

and better

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Reviews/hmrc-reviews-SRCH_KE0,4.htm

much better than their market leader

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Overview/Working-at-Enterprise-Inns-EI_IE9391.11,26.htm

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1 hour ago, Headinawayoffski said:

Just about affordable, maybe as a treat once in a blue moon to those maybe working for a £7.50 Minimum Wage or on limited income / pension etc and are still paying Taxes & NI while just getting by.

It can be amazing the snobbery of those that get their meals and travel paid for and can earn enough to be saving for their retirement time without ever 

having to consider eating or socialising where plebs might frequent.

(£5.99 9 piece KFC Tuesday just 25 hours away, terrible food to some, but to others maybe the only day they will have the finger lickin good treat.)

 

So many have no idea who owns companies in the UK, and what taxes they pay or do not pay in the UK, 

but then they are all employers which is what the UK needs obviously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitbread 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-40192970 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-39410075 

 

Well I like most fast food chain food, definitely eat too much of it to be be good for me but it is just so convenient for those of us rushing around the country trying to prepare companies for BREXIT.

 

As to KFC, after a couple of upset stomach after eating the on the bone stuff I just stick to the boneless versions and that seems safe enough.

 

Support the McD staff, and all other staff to move to £10 a hour ASAP, perhaps phased over a couple of years and would not mind paying a few pence more per visit to accommodate but with then RPI inflation already climbed to virtually 4% due to BREXIT that would add to it.

 

Whole matter is dog's dinner !   

 

 

[@Lee]

[Ootohere]

She or the puppet masters / advisers that are now gone set up Johnson, Gove, Fox & Patel so that they could be failures, and Davis as well to take the blame.

 

Lets see what Canada, Trump & Boeing can sort out to save the collapse of the Conservative & Unionist Government because of the corrupt practices that were 

in place to have the jobs in Northern Ireland.  

DUP hold the future of the current UK government  depending on this little trips outcome. 

Theresa will no doubt be able to promise The Donald something special on his State visit to the UK, some honour or another from HRH Queen Elizabeth II,

Seeing as he has a Scottish & German Heritage & is such a big investor into the UK Economy, and receiver of tax reliefs etc.

[S00perb]

3 minutes ago, Headinawayoffski said:

She or the puppet masters / advisers that are now gone set up Johnson, Gove, Fox & Patel so that they could be failures, and Davis as well to take the blame.

 

I don't want her in power (or any of her muppets) but she was dead right when she said she needed a bigger, stronger majority to bring brexit off. The in fighting and back hand deals she is having to do to get anything through is the wprst possible scenario.

[S00perb]

[Ryeman]

I wonder whether Cross Rail would have still gone ahead.

[@Lee]

Eek!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-oliver-robbins-quits-department-permanent-secretary-eu-talks-theresa-may-david-davis-boris-a7952756.html

BREXIT IS TOXIC!!! 

[S00perb]

6 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

Eek!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-oliver-robbins-quits-department-permanent-secretary-eu-talks-theresa-may-david-davis-boris-a7952756.html

BREXIT IS TOXIC!!! 

Total poisoned challis - who the hell wants to be labeled for the rest of their lives with "the person who brought us brexit" (well apart from Nigel Farage)

[Aspman]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/18/vince-cable-likens-theresa-may-to-headteacher-barricaded-in-her-office

 

Looks like Boris and Gove are gearing up to give Theresa the shove. Certainly there is a sense of circling vultures with the Tories.

 

I don't doubt either Vince's sentiment that this should present an opportunity for the Liberals to attempt a comeback. Just not under Vince. If they want to come back they need to get rid of the last lot that were more than happy to sell out on their pledges and supporters for a sniff of power.

 

[gadgetman]

3 hours ago, Headinawayoffski said:

She or the puppet masters / advisers that are now gone set up Johnson, Gove, Fox & Patel so that they could be failures, and Davis as well to take the blame.

Reality is brexit isn't deliverable as promised in any way shape or form. So much will have to be dropped or conceded as not possible. 

 

But it seems like the remainers will ultimately be blamed for all this'll and Gove,  Boris, Fox and Davis will get off scot free having passed the blame to the little people 

[S00perb]

8 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

Reality is brexit isn't deliverable as promised in any way shape or form. So much will have to be dropped or conceded as not possible. 

 

But it seems like the remainers will ultimately be blamed for all this'll and Gove,  Boris, Fox and Davis will get off scot free having passed the blame to the little people 

Ah but remember Brexit is Brexit - totally nonsensical - says and means absolutely nothing.

Makes as much sense as these two clowns

 

[S00perb]

31 minutes ago, Aspman said:

........I don't doubt either Vince's sentiment that this should present an opportunity for the Liberals to attempt a comeback. Just not under Vince. If they want to come back they need to get rid of the last lot that were more than happy to sell out on their pledges and supporters for a sniff of power.

 

They should never have gone with the Cons, damaged them for ages. But Brown left them little choice.

I would be quite happy to see them support and moderate a Corbyn government - One stipulation - back out of Brexit. Could be just the excuse we all need