Trade Guides are about as relevant and near to the real world as anything VW Says.

 

Used car values and van values distorted by Demonstrators, Media / Press, Fleet, Hire & Driving School vehicles, and Motability being sold as a Used Vehicle, going into Trade at Official Dealerships and ones going to Auctions

then back to the Used car market.

 

What matters really is what some Dealer / Trader is prepared to give you at trade in when they are not a 

VW, Seat, Audi, Skoda main dealer.

ie, How much you can get for your car in Cash Money against buying another one, or as a straight sale.

From JTDm engines (FIAT) it is well known that polluting can be reduced with more precise and finer fuel spray with "train" of injection. That can be achived with injectors with smaller nozzle AND higher pressure of fuel pump.

My logical speculation says: VW was late because of wrong strategy of using PD. That was very "dirty" technology, comparing to CR, without space for improvement. They were late with CM technology, for about of 10 years,so, they had to switch instantly to CM with hardware they had in that moment... Injectors with bigger nozzle, not so precise spraying and PROBABLY not more that 3 injections of fuel per burning cycle of one cylinder.

According to next video (2+ year old), now they can achive up to 5 injections per combustion, althou in this wideo I can catch only 4 injections. So now, they know how.
http://youtu.be/LC4jGfighus?t=43

NOx is generated because of high combustion temperatures. High combustion temperatures can be lowered in two ways. First is to reduce cylinder compression (like Mazda did with newest engines), and/or second is to perform "train" of injections per cycle. In VW case, second way is only possible.

Oh yea, there is a third way, of more involving EGR, but that reduces engine efficiency and increase fuel consumption, so it is not applicable solution because of endless lawsuits and even more reputation (if there is any more left) decreasing.

So my speculating conslusions are... if they use newer injectors, which operates much better then old ones, with bigger CR pressure (specualting conclusion is new CR fuel pump), yes, they can reach "real" EU5 with "old" 1.6 tdi  engine.

In the US almost certainly. In Europe I doubt it. On its way maybe, however, it will probably have a good decade at least to run.

Other technologies while now out there need a lot of infrastructure changes that will take time to implement.

Starting with those double-decker red things and then working their way down to the little ones.

Every journey has to start someplace.

http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2015/aug/vantage-bus.cfm

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qb8hRpLGi8c

From JTDm engines (FIAT) it is well known that polluting can be reduced with more precise and finer fuel spray with "train" of injection. That can be achived with injectors with smaller nozzle AND higher pressure of fuel pump.

My logical speculation says: VW was late because of wrong strategy of using PD. That was very "dirty" technology, comparing to CR, without space for improvement. They were late with CM technology, for about of 10 years,so, they had to switch instantly to CM with hardware they had in that moment... Injectors with bigger nozzle, not so precise spraying and PROBABLY not more that 3 injections of fuel per burning cycle of one cylinder.

According to next video (2+ year old), now they can achive up to 5 injections per combustion, althou in this wideo I can catch only 4 injections. So now, they know how.

NOx is generated because of high combustion temperatures. High combustion temperatures can be lowered in two ways. First is to reduce cylinder compression (like Mazda did with newest engines), and/or second is to perform "train" of injections per cycle. In VW case, second way is only possible.

Oh yea, there is a third way, of more involving EGR, but that reduces engine efficiency and increase fuel consumption, so it is not applicable solution because of endless lawsuits and even more reputation (if there is any more left) decreasing.

So my speculating conslusions are... if they use newer injectors, which operates much better then old ones, with bigger CR pressure (specualting conclusion is new CR fuel pump), yes, they can reach "real" EU5 with "old" 1.6 tdi  engine.

If VW can manufacture a reliable camshaft to drive the high pressure fuel pump without a 'lobe' problem adding to their woes.

Our Pug has a stratified (3) charge system, does the EA189 and if so how many ?.

Hmmm... good point of view, I didn't think of that... that could make VW 1.6 tdi problem even bigger

Every journey has to start someplace.

http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2015/aug/vantage-bus.cfm

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qb8hRpLGi8c

Starting with CNG

I'm surprised they haven't started the process of conversion already simply as a stepping stone.....the world's awash with gas.

The UK is having to Import Gas from the US, and are trying as quickly as possible to increase storage capacity of the Gas required 

for the Petrochemical Plants & Refineries. 

There have been scares as supplies were disrupted and Diesel / Road Fuels availability could have been at serious levels.

 

the UK is a Small Island Nation, 

so things need to come from under the Land Mass, or the near Seas by Pipeline, 

or from further afield again by Pipeline or by Sea / Tankers.

If you do not Frack or Extract from under your own country you need to Import because Gas supplies in the North Sea are not that plentiful.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-33474000

Trade Guides are about as relevant and near to the real world as anything VW Says.   Used car values and van values distorted by Demonstrators, Media / Press, Fleet, Hire & Driving School vehicles, and Motability being sold as a Used Vehicle, going into Trade at Official Dealerships and ones going to Auctions

then back to the Used car market.  What matters really is what some Dealer / Trader is prepared to give you at trade in when they are not a 

VW, Seat, Audi, Skoda main dealer.  ie, How much you can get for your car in Cash Money against buying another one, or as a straight sale.

 

I gather mainly dealer use it to establish trade in prices and then tweak from there.  We used it in Customs to set the import value for taxation purposes though condition is a variance and somewhat subjective but put it in a range. 

So my speculating conslusions are... if they use newer injectors, which operates much better then old ones, with bigger CR pressure (specualting conclusion is new CR fuel pump), yes, they can reach "real" EU5 with "old" 1.6 tdi  engine.

Thanks ppejic - that was a really interesting read. Basically it seems I should have bought another BMW diesel after all! Your conclusion about the possibility of needing a new injection pump as well as the injectors is good detective work! How could VW spend the reported 37 million a day on R&D and get it this wrong!

Every journey has to start someplace.

http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2015/aug/vantage-bus.cfm

 

 

Bollore starts the roll out of the bluecar in London in January and with both the changes in public transport, delivery vehicles, hire and taxis and therefore the change over from internal combustion engines to battery the air quality should improve plus better planes like the A350/380 and I suppose dreamliner.  

lol-lol,  as we know UK HMRC (Tax & Customs parts of HMRC) are not fit for purpose and do not even answer 50% of phone calls. so what HMRC uses is no indication of what is actually the value of anything.

 

But VW Announced yesterday they are footing the Tax Bill on Emission & Fuel use Cheating and Certification,

& asking EU Governments to bill VW not the Vehicle owners.

 

Now there will be a whole new HMRC Department required to work that one out.

George Osborne should have a nice little earner coming in to the Treasury sometime soon. Maybe!

German vehicles have all been tarnished with this cheating of emissions and unrealistic mpg, many garages / dealerships are already reducing of prices on higher end vehicles by £2000 from their previous pricing

https://www.thetradecentrewales.co.uk

lol-lol,  as we know UK HMRC (Tax & Customs parts of HMRC) are not fit for purpose and do not even answer 50% of phone calls. so what HMRC uses is no indication of what is actually the value of anything.   But VW Announced yesterday they are footing the Tax Bill on Emission & Fuel use Cheating and Certification,

& asking EU Governments to bill VW not the Vehicle owners.  Now there will be a whole new HMRC Department required to work that one out.

George Osborne should have a nice little earner coming in to the Treasury sometime soon. Maybe!

 

If that trips vehicles over from the sub 120 gm/km to over that would be very expensive !  

 

I still work with a lot of Customs guys and galls and am amazed how perky they are considering how badly, along with the other 6M public servants. We are actively trying to recruit some of them in to the private sector.  

 

How many other manufacturers may end up having to move their vehicles up a band or two.  Two of mine are in the 116-120 ie GM and Renault.  Ouch.

Yes the Private Sectors likes the Ex Government Employees so that they can then learn more on loopholes.

Grey Areas and Tax Effective solutions.

Also employing Ex Politicians, Civil Servants and even current ones.

 

That is why so much corruption has been allowed over the decades,

Gamekeepers turned Gamekeeper adviser to the poachers.

It's plainly obvious . that most or not all manufacturers of our vehicles cheat or bend the rules these days , emissions regulations are virtually impossible to reach so cheating is the only way to achieve the desired results, engineers need to rethink how the engines of the future need to be built if they are going to run on fossil fuels, electric is possibly the only way to go in one form or another

Thanks ppejic - that was a really interesting read. Basically it seems I should have bought another BMW diesel after all! Your conclusion about the possibility of needing a new injection pump as well as the injectors is good detective work! How could VW spend the reported 37 million a day on R&D and get it this wrong!

 

VW and R&D? Hahaha that is good old joke!

Because they couldn't make good engine when it was time for that, 6y ago, in the moment when they were 10y late already over competition, they have decided that it is EASIER and CHEAPER to CHEAT and they have passed! Then, instead of investing of "37 million a day on R&D", they were acquisitive... they have decided to keep on cheating.

 

Now is payback!

 

Now they have big problem and have to solve it quickly and 37M/day is just "marketing" stuff.

 

Do you beleive them, after they have been chating you for at least 6 years? Do you still beleive them, in every statement they make? Hahaahha....

German vehicles have all been tarnished with this cheating of emissions and unrealistic mpg, many garages / dealerships are already reducing of prices on higher end vehicles by £2000 from their previous pricing

https://www.thetradecentrewales.co.uk

 

Interesting, but how much are they reducing their p/ex offers by?

Dealers are like us when it comes to the final result of this shemozzle.

There's going to be a lot of ducking and weaving from not knowing exactly what you're going to eventually get.

I recon a lot will be quickly disposed of via the auctions.

Dealers aren't to be confused with enthusiasts, they're just dealing in metal.

 

Do you beleive them, after they have been chating you for at least 6 years? Do you still beleive them, in every statement they make? Hahaahha....

Well, the local VW/Skoda conglomorate emailed me yesterday offering a deal on new Golf Diesels! I replied that I admired their optimism but that for now I would wait and see what happens regarding the one I have!

Well, the local VW/Skoda conglomorate emailed me yesterday offering a deal on new Golf Diesels! I replied that I admired their optimism but that for now I would wait and see what happens regarding the one I have!

Waiting is the thing for everyone.

Well, the local VW/Skoda conglomorate emailed me yesterday offering a deal on new Golf Diesels! I replied that I admired their optimism but that for now I would wait and see what happens regarding the one I have!

 If it is not a secret, what deal sounds like?

I would like to think that the following is happening regarding the VW cheating issues in Europe. Over in Wolfsberg, perhaps round the back of the factory maybe in some ex-WWII munitions sheds that teams of VW engineers are beavering away running various used cars purloined from their German dealer network to test the various fixes that will surely by now have have been worked up. They will want them to be robust and reliable before implementing them for their customers. I would also like to think that VW would want customers to know this but we are in the dark for the time being. Maybe this is VWs intention in the hope that we will all loose interest but if so I think they are mistaken,

 

However, before VW can produce the fixes, they will have to know what target they have to meet. If the target were to say that the cars must actually meet the NOx and CO2 emission standards AT ALL TIMES while cars are in use this may be a considerable challenge. However if some EU 'fudge' occurs (behind closed doors probably) and they simply have to make the cars 'a bit cleaner' then that would be an easier process.  Thing is I have not seen any official pronouncement about what will be required of VW other than in very general terms. Maybe VW have been told what they have to do and how their various updates will be appoved and ratified but you would think it could be made public unless the Eurocrats have decided that we may not be told at least for now

 

Then there is the question of whether other maker's cars alreadly meet the standards, VW could reasonably say, look here is a completly legal **** ***** that we have bought and tested ourseves and if does not fully comply so why are you forcing us to meet standards that others do not? That could slow the process down somewhat.

 

So where does this leave us the customers? It would be nice to know what is happening but I suppose we just have to wait however annoying this may be. VW have talked about rolling out a fix from January but some of us would like to know exacty what they will be rolling out even though I do not think I want to be first in the queue for it!

 

Well, the local VW/Skoda conglomorate emailed me yesterday offering a deal on new Golf Diesels! I replied that I admired their optimism but that for now I would wait and see what happens regarding the one I have!

Of course it COULD be the perfect time for trading up within the VAG range.

 If it is not a secret, what deal sounds like?

it was a fishing email for a contract hire offer so not very transparent in terms of what they could be pursuaded to take for cash!

http://www.trustgroupuk.com/volkswagen/offer/volkswagen-golf-contract-hire?utm_source=Jan+Sale+Stourbridge+Volkswagen&utm_campaign=1600ffb0f8-Min+Part+Ex+Golf&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_0e2f459c9b-1600ffb0f8-103839569