Good morning Ryeman :coffee:

 

It is correct conclusion about EGR, but from what I have read, right timing of train injections can also have positive influence in reducing of combustion temperature.

Ah, I hope you're right but then the obvious question is, why, with the system we have, didn't they do that without resorting to subterfuge and getting in this appalling mess.

I suspect the answer is that the current setup doesn't allow that solution.

Ah, I hope you're right but then the obvious question is, why, with the system we have, didn't they do that without resorting to subterfuge and getting in this appalling mess.

I suspect the answer is that the current setup doesn't allow that solution.

That ties in with the report from Reuters last month thats two (unamed) sources said that VW engineers could not meet both cost and US emission targets for the new engine.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/05/uk-volkswagen-emissions-idUKKCN0RZ20A20151005

The bottom line is that my Superb runs as well as it did three months ago, with an excellent economy/performance balance. I don't plan to sell it for another four years, when it will be eight years old, and I don't plan to let them tinker with it. As I use a VAG specialist independent garage, that's not an issue.

Sounds like a mature, rational and reasonable idea except that you may end up having by default to accept VW's software patch which may be bundled with future patches.

It worries me that my fixed price servicing means I might have no choice.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/93410/the-true-effect-of-the-vw-scandal-has-yet-to-emerge

Woohoo, got my letter of apology today, totally contradicting the all clear the Skoda VIN checker gave me a few weeks back... 

 

We had to pull several fuses to get a representative and realistic reading, when I had my cr170 on the dyno. Power was way down on the initial runs.

So emissions cheat software at work, perhaps?

 

Seems I was right after all! 

Month ago, I have received letter that my vehicle is affected and confirmed with VIN checker.

 

In this moment, VIN checker says that my car is not affected!

 

Someone is making fool of us.

Month ago, I have received letter that my vehicle is affected and confirmed with VIN checker.

 

In this moment, VIN checker says that my car is not affected!

 

Someone is making fool of us.

Don't feel bad. Skoda made many of us look like fools...........my car is a so-called 'Greenline' to make it even worse!

Sounds like a mature, rational and reasonable idea except that you may end up having by default to accept VW's software patch which may be bundled with future patches.

 

Not sure I understand why I have to accept any patches, given I use an independent VAG specialist for servicing. A car without the performance-limiting patch might actually be easier to sell as long as it's not to a Skoda dealer.

In this moment VIN checker says that I am affected AGAIN

 

Circus!

For those who haven't received the latest email update from Leigh Day, here it is.  

 

 

 

11 November 2015
An update on the claims against the Volkswagen Group
 

We write to update you about the recent developments in this case.

 

On Friday we received a letter from Volkswagen's solicitors with a response to the questions we put to them in our letter dated 15 October 2015. Their letter states that, whilst it is premature to discuss the question of compensation at the moment, they will discuss our proposal of a settlement scheme once it is possible to ascertain the impact of the fix on the performance of the vehicles. They are agreeing in principle to our sitting down with them once this has become clear.

 

This is the first sensible response we have received from Volkswagen and suggests they are at last starting to engage with the issues. It makes sense to wait until such time as the impact of the fix on the performance of a vehicle can be assessed before determining the impact that has on owners and what would be a fair sum in compensation.

 

Interestingly, it was reported a few days ago that in the US Volkswagen have announced details of a prepaid voucher scheme as a goodwill gesture for owners of EA189 1.6 and 2.0 TDI owners. This scheme is said to be available to owners regardless of whether they bought their car new or used. Under the scheme the owners will be offered two vouchers; one for $500 which has no restrictions on where it can be spent and a second for between $500 and $750 which is limited for use at Volkswagen dealerships. It is unlikely that the sums offered will be accepted by the Volkswagen owners in the US and their lawyers.

 

There is currently no suggestion of a similar scheme being rolled out in the UK; however a spokesperson said that Volkswagen was developing “an individual package for each market”.

 

We are pleased to see that Volkswagen is now taking steps to consider compensating its customers. However, we are concerned that accepting this “goodwill gesture” at this stage will mean that vehicle owners are undercompensated for their losses especially if such an offer is in full and final settlement of any individual claim for compensation. 

 

In order for these claims to be valued correctly it will be necessary for the vehicles to be tested once the fix is applied and expert evidence obtained to assess any loss. This is also acknowledged by Volkswagen’s solicitors in their letter to us.

 

Please let us know if you are contacted by Volkswagen or your dealer with an offer of a voucher or involvement in any such scheme.

 

In addition to claiming compensation for the losses that arise from any impact on performance and loss in resale value, we are also considering the possibility of asking a court to award payment of “exemplary damages” on the basis of fraud which would be aimed at punishing Volkswagen for its behaviour.

 

The other key points from Volkswagen’s letter are summarised below:

 

• The affected vehicles have been approved by the relevant authorities and may continue to be used on the road without any restrictions.

 

• Volkswagen will not be offering refunds to vehicle owners who have purchased affected vehicles. The NO_x emission issue does not change the fact that the affected vehicles remain technically safe and roadworthy and can continue to be used on the road without restrictions.

 

• Volkswagen will cover the cost of the fix and will seek to implement this with minimal inconvenience so as to ensure that owners should not have to incur any out of pocket expenses

 

• Volkswagen is monitoring the sales of used vehicles, and industry experience has shown that even when vehicles are affected by a safety issue there no identifiable impact on resale values. Resale values are impacted by a number of factors including condition, the time of year and the dealerships independent stock profile.

 

• There was an initial temporary issue with the online self-serve process which has been resolved. Owners should rely on the letter they receive from Volkswagen as confirmation that they own an affected vehicle

 

We will now be responding to Volkswagen to insist upon a timetable under which details of the fix will be announced so that we can take steps to move these claims forward. We will also be writing to members of the Transport Select Committee and asking them to meet with us to ensure that appropriate measures are put in place to ensure that Volkswagen is held properly accountable to its customers.

 

We will continue to keep you advised as to any developments regarding the potential claims. To read our earlier updates please visit the Leigh Day website here.

 

If you have registered your details with us but have not as yet provided full details of your vehicle, please do so by filling in the form available at the link below:

https://www.leighday.co.uk/forms/VW-Claimslong

Edited 11 November, 201510 yr by 05surveyor

How thoughtful of these lovely people to help out disenchanted owners - on a "Pro bono" basis - yeah, right, sure.

^^^^^^^Perhaps this could be put in as a new topic because some members are not interested in making a claim against VAG .

Much earlier in this thread, Huskoda was kind enough to supply the information I was seeking from the "Construction & Use" regulations about whether modifications resulting in worsened emissions was definitely illegal:

 

 

"It is an offence under the Road vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations (Regulation 61a(3)) 1 to use a vehicle which has been modified in such a way that it no longer complies with the air pollutant emissions standards it was designed to meet." [my italics]

 

In light of this, I find it intriguing that VW can categorically state that the affected vehicles are roadworthy (a legal term, no?).  Surely, by installing a defeat device, they themselves modified the vehicles in just such a way? How can they be roadworthy then?

 

Not trying to upset affected owners here, I hasten to add; just curious about the legal aspects.

Woohoo, got my letter of apology today, totally contradicting the all clear the Skoda VIN checker gave me a few weeks back... 

 

 

Seems I was right after all! 

 

I got mine today - not impressed

Is there "end date" until when VW must announce solutions?

 

VW is saying: "we are working on it" but time is endlesssss, also could be their solution.

 

So, is there end date?

Up to 2017

How thoughtful of these lovely people to help out disenchanted owners - on a "Pro bono" basis - yeah, right, sure.

Yes, they will make a packet out of it if the case goes against VWG, but it will be at VWG's expense, and not at the expense of the drivers who believed VWG's claims of efficiency and economy and purchased their vehicles accordingly.

^^^^^^^Perhaps this could be put in as a new topic because some members are not interested in making a claim against VAG .

I'm not interested in making a claim against VWG unless the "fix" results in my car being less economical than it was pre-fix.  The economy of my Greenline and its supposedly "green" credentials were the main reasons for me buying it.  If I end up out of pocket because of VWG's fiddling then they should be brought to book.

My cars effected and wondered what this would do to my car. Ie performance wise ?

It will either go a lot faster and use less fuel or it will go a lot slower and drink the stuff.

Alternatively look at the main thread for all of the permutations and speculation.

Cheers

Its going to explode !

Up to 2017

...and until when will they present refit silution?

Well I won't be happy if it goes down on power