The test cycles used for emissions qualification don't include full-throttle operation. So it seems (to me) unlikely that whatever changes might be needed to make the car truly compliant with the relevant tests will affect 'foot to the floor' behaviour of the engine.

What is more likely is that it will affect the light-throttle/cruise situations in a way that may impact fuel economy negatively.

Edited 11 November, 201510 yr by Wino

What exactly is it affected with and who is going be be stealing your power?

 

If someone wants to take away what is yours bought and paid for kick them in the gooleys if they have any, 

and say stop leave my awesome torques alone,

What exactly is it affected with and who is going be be stealing your power?

 

If someone wants to take away what is yours bought and paid for kick them in the gooleys if they have any, 

and say stop leave my awesome torques alone,

 

There's a thought - get Clarkson on the case!

Much earlier in this thread, Huskoda was kind enough to supply the information I was seeking from the "Construction & Use" regulations about whether modifications resulting in worsened emissions was definitely illegal:

 

 

In light of this, I find it intriguing that VW can categorically state that the affected vehicles are roadworthy (a legal term, no?).  Surely, by installing a defeat device, they themselves modified the vehicles in just such a way? How can they be roadworthy then?

 

Not trying to upset affected owners here, I hasten to add; just curious about the legal aspects.

 

N0x emissions are not part of the UK testing procedure and are not included in the C & U Regs.

N0x emissions are not part of the UK testing procedure and are not included in the C & U Regs.

I'm well aware of the former, but sincerely doubt the latter. From what Huskoda quoted from the regs, surely " air pollutant emissions standards" in this context would be EU5, which does include NOx?

^^^^^^^Perhaps this could be put in as a new topic because some members are not interested in making a claim against VAG .

 

 

          I think you will find most are, so may  I suggest  your disinterest should not be allowed to prejudice others. That makes sense, does it not?

I'm well aware of the former, but sincerely doubt the latter. From what Huskoda quoted from the regs, surely " air pollutant emissions standards" in this context would be EU5, which does include NOx?

EU norms include NOx level

I'd like to know if my recall 'fix' is going to be a 'global' one or, seeing we haven't reached the EU5 implementation date yet (!) , whether my 2012 manufactured but 2014 Australian registered Yeti 2.0TDI will get an au specific one relevant to a 2012 manufacture date or 2014 date ....or any other for that matter.

Maybe this is just another complication slowing down the resolution process ie a number of 'regional' negotiations.

B.....d if I know!

Just lucky I have plenty of time(?).

So the Ex VW CEO that stepped down has now stepped down from his position as Chairman of Audi.

 

Pity he never made a appearance before resigning saying what he did or allowed to be done under his leadership, 

and why he made previous announcements and statements that might just have been little fibs.

 

Volkswagen Group are rebuilding trust, 

that is that you can trust they will lie or cheat for as long as they think they can, 

then be sure to try and buy off the owners in the United States of America first, then the Home Market in Germany, 

then eventually they might get around to other EU Countries and World Regions.

I thought this might be useful . I received this today. Sorry if its the wrong thread.

 

Last week you will have seen a press statement from Volkswagen AG notifying that potential irregularities may exist in published CO2 and consumption values. Volkswagen Group is working at full speed to provide clarification of the issue.  Please accept our sincere apologies for the situation.

This issue is unrelated to the NOx emissions testing issue.

We would like to advise you that effective immediately ŠKODA have added a disclaimer to our website which reads as follows:

‘Our current C02 and consumption values are provisional and are currently under review.   Revised values will be published if necessary’

I can clarify that Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles is not impacted by the CO2 issue.

The specific models and engine ranges affected are attached to this communication.

Please be aware this is not a technical issue so there is no technical remedy, the irregularities relate to the certification process for CO2 and therefore consumption. We would like to assure you that all affected vehicles remain technically safe and roadworthy in relation to this issue. 

To the extent that CO2 values and fuel consumption are relevant for the purposes of tax, this increase might affect the amount of tax that is payable.  We want to make clear to you that the Volkswagen Group has informed relevant government authorities of this issue and intends to settle those potential additional taxes.

Volkswagen Group very much regrets the current situation and is doing everything possible to provide a full clarification as soon as possible.   Whilst this is ongoing we are asking customers to sign the attached letter either on order or before taking delivery of their affected new or used vehicles.  This will be done through retailers for the brands affected to ensure that customers are informed of these irregularities.

In the meantime, we wish to thank you for your patience and will contact you again as soon as we have further information.

Yours sincerely,

Patrick McGillycuddy
Head of Fleet

Customer letter at point of handover, on Dealer letterhead

[iNSERT CUSTOMER FULL NAME]

[iNSERT CUSTOMER ADDRESS]

[iNSERT CUSTOMER POSTCODE]

[iNSERT VEHICLE MODEL]

[iNSERT VEHICLE REG NUMBER – IF HAVE ONE]

[iNSERT VEHICLE VIN NUMBER – IF HAVE ONE]

 

[iNSERT DATE]

Dear [iNSERT CUSTOMER TITLE & SURNAME]

On behalf of Volkswagen Group UK Ltd and [iNSERT DEALER NAME] we want to be open and transparent with you concerning a potential increase to the published CO₂ emissions and fuel consumption figures in the brochure and marketing materials you may have seen for the brand and model you are interested in buying.  Please accept our sincere apologies for this situation.

As discussed with the Sales team, the standardised CO₂ and consumption values for this model are currently under review and may change.  We want to make it clear to you that it may be necessary to publish revised, and potentially increased, values in the near future.

To the extent that CO₂ values and fuel consumption are relevant for the purposes of tax, this increase might affect the amount of tax that is payable.  We want to make clear to you that the Volkswagen Group has informed the relevant Government authorities of this issue and intends to settle those potential additional taxes.

The Volkswagen Group will contact you with further information if your vehicle is affected as soon as more detail is available.

We would like to assure you that all affected vehicles, including yours, remain technically safe and roadworthy in relation to this issue.  Further, the affected vehicles have been approved by independent approval authorities and can continue to be used on the road without any restrictions.

Yours sincerely,

 

 

[iNSERT HEAD OF BUSINESS / DEALER PRINCIPLE NAME]

 

Customer signature to confirm receipt of letter __________________________________

[iNSERT CUSTMER NAME]                                      [DATE]

 

ŠKODA: Vehicles Affected by CO2 Irregularities

 

Model

Engine Description

Power (PS)

Transmission

Fabia

1.4 TDI

90

Manual

Fabia

1.4 TDI

90

DSG

Fabia

1.4 TDI

105

Manual

Fabia Estate

1.4 TDI

90

Manual

Fabia Estate

1.4 TDI

90

DSG

Fabia Estate

1.4 TDI

105

Manual

Rapid

1.4 TDI

90

Manual

Rapid

1.4 TDI

90

DSG

Rapid Spaceback

1.4 TDI

90

Manual

Rapid Spaceback

1.4 TDI

90

DSG

Octavia Hatch

1.6 TDI

110

Manual

Octavia Hatch

1.6 TDI

110

DSG

Octavia Estate

1.6 TDI

110

Manual

Octavia Estate

1.6 TDI

110

DSG

Yeti

2.0 TDI

150

Manual

Octavia Hatch

2.0 TDI

184

Manual

Octavia Hatch

2.0 TDI

184

DSG

Octavia Estate

2.0 TDI

184

Manual

Octavia Estate

2.0 TDI

184

DSG

Superb Hatch

1.4 ACT

150

Manual

Superb Hatch

1.4 ACT

150

DSG

Superb Estate

1.4 ACT

150

Manual

Superb Estate

1.4 ACT

150

DSG

 

 

 

 

German authorities spreading the love....................... 

 

http://www.ft.com/cm...l#axzz3rFlCWiG3

 

German car probe finds elevated diesel pollutants  Andy Sharman in London

 

The German motoring watchdog is in talks with several carmakers over “elevated” levels of diesel pollutants uncovered in vehicle road tests following the Volkswagen emissions scandal.    The KBA, Germany’s federal motor transport authority, on Wednesday named for the first time the 16 carmakers whose models it has been scrutinising, including leading German marques such as Daimler and BMW, as well as Ford and General Motors’ Opel. Cars made by VW’s own brand — plus those of its Audi and Porsche subsidiaries — are also being tested.  A spokesman for the KBA declined to say which carmakers it was in talks with or which specific models were affected, and the regulator added there was no suggestion that an illegal defeat device had been used. VW has admitted up to 11m diesel vehicles were fitted with this software-based device, which serves to understate emissions of harmful nitrogen oxides in laboratory tests.  The KBA’s findings seem to echo the conclusions of various campaign groups, which have long argued that cars emit far more carbon dioxide and nitrogen oxides in the real world than in outdated European laboratory tests.  But the revelations come with the motor industry still under fierce scrutiny from governments and regulators worldwide, two months after a US environmental watchdog first exposed VW’s cheating in emissions tests. The KBA, which monitors the work of test centres in Europe’s biggest car market, has been re-evaluating vehicles’ emissions since the end of September in laboratory conditions and on the road.   It said it was looking at more than 50 models, partly chosen based on popularity, but also following “hints” from third parties about conspicuous pollutant emissions. “Based on raw data, partly increased nitrogen oxides levels in different driving and environmental conditions have been identified so far,” said the watchdog in a statement.  After talks with the carmakers, the KBA plans to evaluate the data further. Only then would the agency have sufficient grounds for any legal action, it said.

The German carmaker is engulfed in the worst scandal in its 78-year history after it admitted to manipulating emissions test data on its diesel vehicles in the US and Europe

Ford said it had so far received no official request for information from the KBA related to its latest announcement. Opel said it was in regular contact with the KBA but declined to comment further.  Daimler said it had been “informed about the investigation by the KBA and are supporting this”, adding: “We have nothing to hide.” BMW said it “does not rig any emissions tests. We observe the legal requirements in each country ... we expect that our vehicles comply with the testing requirements of the current KBA testing”.  VW declined to comment.  It is well-known that carmakers use legal techniques to achieve optimised emissions readings in laboratory tests.  But analysts said investigations such as the KBA probe increased the likelihood of another manufacturer being caught up in the emissions scandal.  “Every manufacturer has now officially denied the use of illegal software on diesel vehicles,” said Dominic O’Brien, analyst at Exane BNP Paribas. “But I would compare it to the debate over tax avoidance versus tax evasion.  “In the cold light of day, any ‘gaming’ technique will not look good, but it will not necessarily be illegal.”   The investigations also make it more likely that European policymakers will press ahead with plans to introduce on the road testing for emissions of nitrogen oxides from 2017.

 

Cars under scrutiny by watchdog  

BMW: BMW 3-Series, 5-Series; Mini

Daimler: Mercedes C-Class, CLS, Sprinter, V-Class; Smart Fortwo

Fiat: Chrysler Alfa Romeo Giulietta; Fiat Panda, Ducato; Jeep Cherokee

Ford: Focus, C-Max

GM: Opel Astra, Insignia, Zafira; Chevrolet Cruze

Honda: HR-V

Hyundai: iX35, i20

Jaguar Land Rover: Land Rover Evoque

Mazda: 6

Mitsubishi: ASX

Nissan: Navara

Peugeot: 308

Renault: Kadjar; Dacia engine type SD

Toyota: Auris

VW: Golf, Golf Sports Van, Beetle, Passat, Touran, Touareg, Polo, Crafter, Amarok; Audi A6, A3; Porsche Macan

Volvo: V60

 

 

lol...

This tread is now about Octavia...  

 

"emissions on my octy .what will it do"

88mph - yesterday!

Here is an idea for George Osborne MP.

Tax all road vehicles First Registered in the UK after November 2016 an extra £1000 a year if they are not fitted with a Limiter 

that restricts the Vehicle to a Max of 88 mph.

 

This will bring him in revenue and make those unrestricted vehicles now registered worth a bit more money maybe.

Cut road deaths or maybe increase them who know, but then near everything is taxable including funerals so it is a win win all around.

lol...

This tread is now about Octavia...

 

"emissions on my octy .what will it do"

 

She canny take and more, 100 pages and she's going blow.

 

Octy/Golf/Rabbit Rabbit

 

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/11-hilarious-reactions-to-the-vw-emissions-scandal/

Edited 12 November, 201510 yr by lol-lol

lol...

This tread is now about Octavia...

 

"emissions on my octy .what will it do"

 

has someone merged the topics and got the wrong title?

 

how about changing the title to thousands of pages of meaningless waffle

Post #2963

 by skodafang is a pretty important one,

(that should not get lost in the waffle and title changes and merging of threads.)

Is someone trying to upset this tread by switching it's title to one hitherto held by another.

has someone merged the topics and got the wrong title?

 

how about changing the title to thousands of pages of meaningless waffle

 

Well, if people would stop creating duplicate topic threads in different sections that all need merging, then this wouldn't happen!  It'll be sorted in due course.

Edited 12 November, 201510 yr by devonutopia

Here is an idea for George Osborne MP.

Tax all road vehicles First Registered in the UK after November 2016 an extra £1000 a year if they are not fitted with a Limiter 

that restricts the Vehicle to a Max of 88 mph.

 

This will bring him in revenue and make those unrestricted vehicles now registered worth a bit more money maybe.

Cut road deaths or maybe increase them who know, but then near everything is taxable including funerals so it is a win win all around.

Why 88 mph?

Post #2963

 by skodafang is a pretty important one,

(that should not get lost in the waffle and title changes and merging of threads.)

Very true!  Come on chaps, all queue up like nice little boys and sign away your rights.  Big bad VWG!

Why 88 mph?

...cheapest insurance and cars are crap.

Edited 12 November, 201510 yr by 67igor1

Why 88 mph?

Because beyond that speed the Flux Capacitor will be activated. ...

Because 88mph had police taking you to court, and the member in the thread manged to get a car up to 88mph yesterday. Keep up at the back!

Interesting will be when you will take your new car to Germany...

I don't think EU set that limit... Did they?