Would I be right in thinking that if you have an affected car and was on PCP then VAG have got to honour it's guaranteed future value providing it meets all the correct criteria?

Would I be right in thinking that if you have an affected car and was on PCP then VAG have got to honour it's guaranteed future value providing it meets all the correct criteria?

 

Yes.

 

I've just phoned Skoda UK and they are insisting that they have no idea if there are any cars at all that are affected 

604!

I share your pain.......REALY OT now though.

 

Loved the car, like driving a front room, then began to fall apart.

 

REALY OT? Wassat?

Loved the car, like driving a front room, then began to fall apart.

Carby

Dizzy

 

REALY OT? Wassat?

Off topic

It'll be interesting to see what the legal position is. My gut feeling is that you can't be compelled to get your car 're-calibrated' by VW/Skoda etc. even though it is now discovered to be non-compliant with the regs that it was supposed to have met when new.

 

Apart from having what it takes to pass an MOT, is there any requirement on owners to have a car that complies with any emission standards? I know that there are requirements (at time of model introduction/sale) on manufacturers; and probably the Dealership who (may) service and maintain your vehicle, who presumably aren't allowed to make changes that would worsen emissions compliance.

But what about independent garages? Re-mappers? Owners who like to dabble in re-mapping?  EGR/DPF deleters? AFAIK none of them are acting illegally or causing a vehicle to become illegal for use on the road (as long as they are MOT-passable afterwards). Am I wrong? Is any change that causes less compliance with emissions regs actually illegal to do? I suppose I should read up on  'construction and use' regulations, unless anyone can summarise the position and enforceability relating to modifications, or something like this recent 'discovery'?  This might seem of limited relevance, but my point is, if none of this stuff is actually illegal, or at least not enforceably so, presumably owners of cars that fail to meet the emissions criteria they were supposed to meet can just carry on, as long as they pass the annual MOT?

 

I'm not all that keen on breathing NO_x BTW, just curious about whether there is a legal framework for dealing with this 'after the fact' situation. 

Yes.

 

I've just phoned Skoda UK and they are insisting that they have no idea if there are any cars at all that are affected 

 

SUK on the ball as usual. They'll just wait until V-AG tell them what to do I suspect.

 

 

V-AG will issue the recall and fix everything, cost them probably half their yearly profits to do it and everything will be back to normal.

 

People have already forgotten Toyota's unintended acceleration problems which cost them $1b to settle in a class action lawsuit or GM's ignition switch issues which led to hundreds of accidents and approx 124 deaths. GM's bodged recall cost them $900m to settle criminal charges.

^^^everyone is in a hell of a bind.

Govt's have a responsibility to validate health outcomes, so......

Is it politically, let alone morally, ok for govt to make a recall relations to poisonous emmissions, optional?

I suspect an outcry if it's optional.

The only thing we do know is, it's going to be massively expensive to VW in the end in many months time.

It'll be interesting to see what the legal position is. My gut feeling is that you can't be compelled to get your car 're-calibrated' by VW/Skoda etc. even though it is now discovered to be non-compliant with the regs that it was supposed to have met when new.

 

Apart from having what it takes to pass an MOT, is there any requirement on owners to have a car that complies with any emission standards? I know that there are requirements (at time of model introduction/sale) on manufacturers; and probably the Dealership who (may) service and maintain your vehicle, who presumably aren't allowed to make changes that would worsen emissions compliance.

But what about independent garages? Re-mappers? Owners who like to dabble in re-mapping?  EGR/DPF deleters? AFAIK none of them are acting illegally or causing a vehicle to become illegal for use on the road (as long as they are MOT-passable afterwards). Am I wrong? Is any change that causes less compliance with emissions regs actually illegal to do? I suppose I should read up on  'construction and use' regulations, unless anyone can summarise the position and enforceability relating to modifications, or something like this recent 'discovery'?  This might seem of limited relevance, but my point is, if none of this stuff is actually illegal, or at least not enforceably so, presumably owners of cars that fail to meet the emissions criteria they were supposed to meet can just carry on, as long as they pass the annual MOT?

 

I'm not all that keen on breathing NO_x BTW, just curious about whether there is a legal framework for dealing with this 'after the fact' situation. 

 

In short, yes, the owner is responsible. And EGR/DPF deletes do make the car illegal to use on the road:

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/263018/diesel-particulate-filters-guidance.pdf

 

"It is an offence under the Road vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations (Regulation 61a(3)) 1 to use a vehicle which has been modified in such a way that it no longer complies with the air pollutant emissions standards it was designed to meet."

 

That is not specific to DPFs, but any method that makes it non-compliant including a manufacturer cheat map. However, I'd not expect owners to be in trouble as they couldn't have known at the time. Well, unless they refuse the recall, possibly.

Thanks Huskoda, that's nice and clear.

SUK on the ball as usual. They'll just wait until V-AG tell them what to do I suspect.

 

 

V-AG will issue the recall and fix everything, cost them probably half their yearly profits to do it and everything will be back to normal.

 

People have already forgotten Toyota's unintended acceleration problems which cost them $1b to settle in a class action lawsuit or GM's ignition switch issues which led to hundreds of accidents and approx 124 deaths. GM's bodged recall cost them $900m to settle criminal charges.

Exactly what WAS responsible for the Toyota 'unintended acceleration'? Floor mats?.

Audi had a similar experience with the U.S. lawyers back in the 80s which said more about U.S. drivers than any actual fault......I seem to recall it was about the alignment of the accelerator with the brake pedal as opposed to a 'fault'.

Was it the U.S. only (again)?

That is World Wide.

 

This is the UK,  we are not in the World.

 

There are Party Conferences at the moment,

& the UK Government Agencies DVSA / Department for Transport are too busy to make comments, other than if some ex Member of Parliament 

& Roads Minister makes accusations against the Prime Minister.

 

Ssshhhh,,,

 no need to worry, we are preparing statements,  just we do not know our ar53 from our elbow.

& Angela Merkel has not told us what to tell the British Public yet.

Exactly what WAS responsible for the Toyota 'unintended acceleration'? Floor mats?.

Audi had a similar experience with the U.S. lawyers back in the 80s which said more about U.S. drivers than any actual fault......I seem to recall it was about the alignment of the accelerator with the brake pedal as opposed to a 'fault'.

Was it the U.S. only (again)?

 

Yes floor mats! But the class action apparently contended that it was Toyota's electronic systems, consequently thrown out by government officials.

 

I'm merely picking up on a something someone else highlighted further up in that other manufacturers have had issues and they've been forgotten, not really interested in the detail TBH

Take U.S. recalls with a very large grain of salt, particularly when it involves 'foreign' competitors.

GM is a real one however.

Off topic

 LOL! Ta!

http://autonews.com/section/BREAKING

 

GM will get checked in the US, as the article shows.

 

After all the VW USA / North America CEO until 2010 was Stefan Jacoby, who resigned when he never got the Promotion he wanted in the VW Group.

So he went to Volvo as the CEO 2010-2012, then Health Problems,

and now he Heads GM Global.

 

So GM was a Partner with Suzuki for new Engines Developments,  Hybrids, until 2009,

and VW bought into Suzuki 2009, but Suzuki bought diesel engines from Fiat.

The night before the USA Recall on the VW / Audis in North America Suzuki bought its last shares back.

 

Stefan Jacoby is a name you might hear more often quite soon.

Yes.

 

I've just phoned Skoda UK and they are insisting that they have no idea if there are any cars at all that are affected 

The ECB is, apparently, going to stop buying the loans that back their leasing, financing and insurance.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ecb-suspends-purchase-of-some-bonds-issued-by-volkswagen-1443379650

I know it's the Wall Street Journal so US and suspect, but try googling VW+European Central Bank - it's got pretty wide coverage

Today due to pick up Octavia 2.0 Tdi 150ps SE L Est with free plus pack

Contacted my dealer with our concerns over the scandal and was told VW had a teleconference with the 135 UK dealer directors. My dealer told me on numerous occasions that "100% categorically state the EURO6 engine is not affected by the cheat". He repeatedly said I shouldn't believe everything I read it the Daily Mail (dear!) and also not to rely on forums for information. I categorically stated I wasn't a Daily Mail reader and that I use forums as part of my research to help me make an informed decision. Order was very nearly cancelled due to his patronising manner, I did remind my husband as he's calling the dealer that the man is a car dealer.

This received from dealer this morning, hardly up to date:

Wolfsburg, September 22, 2015 –Volkswagen is working at full speed to clarify irregularities concerning a particular software used in diesel engines. New vehicles from the Volkswagen Group with EU 6 diesel engines currently available in the European Union comply with legal requirements and environmental standards. The software in question does not affect handling, consumption or emissions. This gives clarity to customers and dealers.

I think they are also in the dark with what's happening, but we're biting the bullet and going ahead with the car...

DorsetBelle welcome to Briskoda.

 

Some very knowledable people in here (and a few muppets of course).

 

Go ahead with the car. If you are affected you will be one of thousands and in good company.

Exactly what WAS responsible for the Toyota 'unintended acceleration'? Floor mats?.

I think that "floor mats" story was made up to distract attention. The real culprit was ECU firmware as this article suggests: http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences

VW have announced that just under 1.2 million UK vehicles are affected - cars from VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda and VW Vans

Sky News have had a rather better informed presenter on covering the latest from VW.

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1561529/vw-scandal-1-189m-vehicle-in-uk-affected

VW have announced that just under 1.2 million UK vehicles are affected - cars from VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda and VW Vans

Owners should be contacted in approx. 21days ,according to BBC 5LIVE just now on the news

So that comes back to.

 

In the UK if not a Recall and DVSA / DVLA giving Registered Keepers contacts, where do VW get Contact Details other 

than they have from Customers they sold to or who use Dealerships.

 

?

Or will the UK Government have a change to the usual System and give Registered Owners Details when it is not a Safety Issue Recall.?

 

Obviously there will be publicity this time more than the usual VWG Service Campaigns 

& Secret Service Campaigns so Owners should hear some where about contacting 

VW, Skoda, Seat, Audi, Porsche to get information.

 

Saying that, the VWG Dealerships still resell cars that are subject to Service Campaigns (Recalls) and have 

not checked them while doing 'Workshop Checks' or annual Services and requiring Field Actions.

DQ200 DSG as an Example.

Linking with DVLA etc. was part of the BBC's comments I believe.

Hot off the BBC presses - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34399503