So, They will remap ECU and cut power... and 1.6 CR will probably drop from 105 HP to 75 HP...

 

 

If they do this of course they will fall foul of consumer protection regulations as the car will not be as advertised and sold. 

 there will be NO easy or quick fix and.....

 

 

Pun or no pun?

I have a 170 2.0 TDi 4x4, if I have to have the update and it cuts the power down even 1 bhp Skoda are going to have problems, the reason I bought the car was for it's recognised award wining ability to tow caravans! Economy was the last of my worries as my caravan is 1450kg, just needed the comfort and power and as it was sold my superb fit the bill perfectly! If it was to come back compromised then it's not the car I bought! It would be no good to me!

What a mess.

 

It has been stated that Euro 6 engines are compliant and Euro 5 not compliant.

 

I cannot understand how the majority of Euro 6 engines which are only developments of the older engines

can increase HP, lower CO2 and appear compliant without the addition of NOx limiting such as Adblue.

 

I don't think we yet know the full extent of the problem.

 

 

By majority I mean most of the lower powered 2L and 1.6L Diesels that will be sold here.

Edited 29 September, 201510 yr by eagerv

I have a 170 2.0 TDi 4x4, if I have to have the update and it cuts the power down even 1 bhp Skoda are going to have problems...

You can sign for a claim:

 

http://www.lawyersonline.co.uk/volkswagen-group-action?gclid=CjwKEAjw7aiwBRCPgdu70arX70wSJADK6iDDfbNf7iklKVqrNKaf4GHid7mGOqjemDteNwD9JAx8fBoC5Fbw_wcB

 

"Volkswagen Owners Group Action

Have you been affected by the Volkswagen scandal?

Were you misled to believe that you had purchased a car as "clean diesel" only to find out that they emitted 40 times the allowed levels of emissions?

You may be entitled to compensation on the basis that Volkswagen allegedly defrauded customers with false representations.

The value of compensation will depend on how much more you paid to purchase the car and any subsequent devaluation."

 

just check website...

 

I don't think it will be easy solution... To put emissions down they have to switch "emission cintrol" ON... that mean more fuel has to be used (to catch NOx), cut power and more time open EGR...

EGR, huh?

What happens to those that have disabled this thing? After software update the spent money will be lost. Probably one will have to disable it again.

I don't know how they will treat modified cars...

It is maybe worth going back 14 months and how the Motoring Press and others were explaining the Introduction of Euro 6 Compliant 

diesel engines in the EU, which is where we are, 

and not worrying about the Systems for testing and certification in the USA for Euro 5 or Euro 6 Diesel Engines.

(or go back to 2008 even at what we were being told as Euro 5 Diesel Engines were being Introduced.)

 

http://dieselcarmagazine.co.uk/features/euro-6-understanding-the-new-regulations

SEAT have announced they will temporarily suspend sales of vehicles fitted with EA189 engines.

It is maybe worth going back 14 months and how the Motoring Press and others were explaining the Introduction of Euro 6 Compliant 

diesel engines in the EU, which is where we are,

Very good explained... And again...

How VW diesel engines passed Euro6 emissions if they havn't with Euro5?

Very good explained... And again...

How VW diesel engines passed Euro6 emissions if they havn't with Euro5?

The very latest diesel engine (EA289 I think.) is a completely new design.

New crossflow cylinder head design , 16.2 : 1 compression ratio,2000 psi common rail injection,etc,etc....

It's not just the old engine ,EA 189, with a bit of Adblue thrown in to achieve Euro 6.

Very good explained... And again...

How VW diesel engines passed Euro6 emissions if they havn't with Euro5?

 

These are some screen shots I took of an engineering site which had this article from VW on the new Euro6 engines.............

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/vw-emissions-scandal-vw-recall-11-million-cars-worldwide

These are some screen shots

Still not about Euro6... just Euro5 emissins...

To have Euro6 emissions they have to use adblue... Are new engines Skoda Rapid, VW Golf use?

 

1.6 TDi 110 PS BlueMotion Technology

Still not about Euro6... just Euro5 emissins...

To have Euro6 emissions they have to use adblue... Are new engines Skoda Rapid, VW Golf use?

 

1.6 TDi 110 PS BlueMotion Technology

 

Basically should be as about the new MQB engines as used in MK7 Golf.............

 

I'll ad the first 3 pages also

 

 

Quote from page 1 above "The following objectives have been defined for the engines in the performance specification:- preparation for future Euro6 emission standard"

 

Edited 29 September, 201510 yr by fabdavrav

Seat have announced this afternoon that 700k of their vehicles have the "cheat" software fitted...

Still not about Euro6... just Euro5 emissins...

To have Euro6 emissions they have to use adblue... Are new engines Skoda Rapid, VW Golf use?

 

1.6 TDi 110 PS BlueMotion Technology

No you don't have to use Adblue to achieve Euro 6

No you don't have to use Adblue to achieve Euro 6

I have a 2ltr 150 TDi, which was new on the 9th September, no Adblue, engine is Euro6...

I have a 2ltr 150 TDi, which was new on the 9th September, no Adblue, engine is Euro6...

That is what I have stated. You don't need Adblue to achieve Euro 6. Mine is a Euro 6 being a new VRS Tdi

This forum has Freedom Techs including those that work in VW, Seat, Skoda & Audi Official Dealerships in the UK.

 

There must be the 'word on the street'  or in the Workplace, and some preparation being done for the 'Recalls', or not,

so what is the story,

Is it more than your jobs worth to speak about it, or is it the case that the Official Dealerships might be the last to know anything?

(Not expecting an Employed VWG Technician to reply, but it would be interesting out of nosiness to hear the latest gen.)

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1560919/vw-emissions-scandal-11m-vehicles-face-refit

Will see

 

All engines...

 

According to Volkswagen, vehicles sold in other countries with the 1.5L 4-cylinder TDI engine known as Type EA189 are also affected. The EA189 TDI is a 2.0L four-cylinder engine which includes the incriminated Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) technology. This software is also said to affect EA188 and the 2015 EA288 generation of the four-cylinder.

 

So... All Skoda and Seat diesel cars:

CAYB (EA189) including GreenLine

CUSB (EA288)

CAYC (EA189)

CRKB (EA288)

 

 

Yay mines caya! 75 pony powers ftw!!!  :clap:

We should wait for an official recall...

UK 150ppm

In the UK, the path to lower sulphur fuels started early on. For diesel, the sulphur level was reduced from 500 ppm to 150 ppm on 1 January 2000 and again to 50 ppm in mid 1999 (in the case of petrol, mid 2001).


US 15ppm

A 15 parts per million (ppm) sulfur specification, known as Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD), was phased in for highway diesel fuel from 2006-2010. Diesel engines equipped with advanced emission control devices (generally, 2007 and later model year engines and vehicles) must use highway ULSD fuel. Exhaust emissions from these engines will decrease by more than 90%.

UK 150ppm

In the UK, the path to lower sulphur fuels started early on. For diesel, the sulphur level was reduced from 500 ppm to 150 ppm on 1 January 2000 and again to 50 ppm in mid 1999 (in the case of petrol, mid 2001).

US 15ppm

A 15 parts per million (ppm) sulfur specification, known as Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD), was phased in for highway diesel fuel from 2006-2010. Diesel engines equipped with advanced emission control devices (generally, 2007 and later model year engines and vehicles) must use highway ULSD fuel. Exhaust emissions from these engines will decrease by more than 90%.

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