The owner of the SEAT Leon 1.4TSI with this leaking fuel issue found that in USA and Canada there is a safety recall for this, okay we do not live in USA or Canada, but this is not been dealt with over there as a normal recall but a safety recall, so maybe that makes a difference and VW Group in Europe should be recalling all affected cars for checking FOC as well as paying for all cars that have suffered failed bolts.

 

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2020/RCRIT-20V648-7026.pdf    

 

Edit:- note that the bolt tightening procedure is now 8Nm + 90 degrees, I've not seen the "+90 degrees" included for these bolts before now.

Edited 28 January, 20224 yr by rum4mo

Another VW Polo 1.2TSI 90PS this time with a build date 07/09/16 in ZA which, using my wife's car and engine build dates as a guide, means that engine would have been build round about 20/07/16 in CZ.

Once again no real interest from their supplying VW dealership as that car was taken to the nearest workshop for repair, which was not VW. He is/has reported this to DVSA, but no reply from them.

 

As usual, there was one bolt "missing" which sounds a lot like its head had pop'd off and one bolt loose, the owner was a bit concerned as his wife had been driving and had a grandchild in the rear seat.

My 2017 4 pot 1.2 sel broke down with epc light overpowering smell of fuel, leaking from fuel rail on left of engine, yet to pull apart to confirm if seal on injector or bolt problem, recovery guy said he’s seen a few recently. So it’s an ongoing problem still. Thanks for everyone’s posts.

 

On 01/06/2022 at 03:42, EricDraven44 said:

My 2017 4 pot 1.2 sel broke down with epc light overpowering smell of fuel, leaking from fuel rail on left of engine, yet to pull apart to confirm if seal on injector or bolt problem, recovery guy said he’s seen a few recently. So it’s an ongoing problem still. Thanks for everyone’s posts.

 

Did you end up taking that car into a Skoda dealership, and if so, did they repair it FOC?

 

Or, if not as above, have you tried writing to the importer of these cars into UK, Skoda UK, using recorded delivery, and getting a written reply which might help your case when you pass that onto the relevant UK government department(s), they should be getting informed about this as that could end up being the only way VW Group gets ordered to sort this out in UK.

 

I'd doubt if any of the big motoring organisations would be of any help though - they say a lot and do nothing "talk to your dealership", AA is just far too busy running its car parking companies and gas suppliers I'd think, plus having to put up with members like me demanding that they reduce my yearly subscription cost - that plan of action has worked very well for the past 6 years!

Another one here, 2017 Fabia 1.2.

 

Fuel all over the engine bay, AA man was astounded.

By the time he got the car home I'd found this and told him likely a snapped bolt.

 

Spoke to Skoda, of course they have never heard of the fault before so would only book the car in for a paid repair!

 

Stripped it today and found the bolt head then after removing the intake manifold could see the snapped bolt.

The fuel rail brackets are also bent so I either need to fit a new one or get them back straight again.

 

Nice to see that the folks in North America have this all fixed for free while over here VAG say they have never heard of it!

It's no wonder main dealer garages get such a bad name.

 

 

 

Someone needs to take a legal 'baseball bat' to this whole "never seen this before" horse****.

So utterly disgraceful it needs punishing.

2 hours ago, pmcg said:

Nice to see that the folks in North America have this all fixed for free while over here VAG say they have never heard of it!

That made me smile, 10/10 for your first posting on the forum!

17 hours ago, pmcg said:

Another one here, 2017 Fabia 1.2.

 

Fuel all over the engine bay, AA man was astounded.

By the time he got the car home I'd found this and told him likely a snapped bolt.

 

Spoke to Skoda, of course they have never heard of the fault before so would only book the car in for a paid repair!

 

Stripped it today and found the bolt head then after removing the intake manifold could see the snapped bolt.

The fuel rail brackets are also bent so I either need to fit a new one or get them back straight again.

 

Nice to see that the folks in North America have this all fixed for free while over here VAG say they have never heard of it!

It's no wonder main dealer garages get such a bad name.

 

 

 

Sorry to hear about this!

 

Hopefully you going to give us a rough/quick round up on how this repair went once you have got all the parts and fitted them, good luck!

 

Edit:- out of interest, did you find any or all the other rail fixing bolts loose or not very tight when you went to remove them?

Edited 7 October, 20223 yr by rum4mo

7 hours ago, rum4mo said:

Sorry to hear about this!

 

Edit:- out of interest, did you find any or all the other rail fixing bolts loose or not very tight when you went to remove them?

 

Yes, other bolts were loose, #shocking.

 

We are repairing this and will send a letter to Skoda claiming the costs back, if they ignore we will take to Small Claims Court.

 

Very typical Main Dealer attitude now, they are all in the main part quite simple pathetic.

Tracking number: SN860054095GB

Tracking number: SN860054095GB

Fixed the car today as the new injector seals and bolts arrived yesterday.

 

Fairly straight forward repair, took about 2 or 3 hours all in to put it all back together.

That was taking time and stopping for 3 tea breaks.

 

Quite why VAG don't hold their hands up and have these checked and repaired by the dealers speaks a lot of their attitude towards customers.

Did you need to remove the coolant and its pipes and remove the inlet manifold from the car completely or did you manage to leave the coolant pipes connected to the inlet manifold and work by moving it about a bit?

11 hours ago, rum4mo said:

Did you need to remove the coolant and its pipes and remove the inlet manifold from the car completely or did you manage to leave the coolant pipes connected to the inlet manifold and work by moving it about a bit?

 

Yes, had to remove the coolant pipes.

There was a little hose on the underside of the inlet manifold that seemed like it would break so with everything removed we simply moved the inlet manifold forward enough to get access to the fule rail.

Thanks for that, when I eventually get round to checking and replacing the bolts on my wife's Polo I'll bear that in mind, it was the answer that I expected, and I plan to replace the G13 coolant with G12evo while doing that job, I think that my wife's Polo engine was built before this started to be an issue, but I'd rather check these bolts to make sure.

If you use concentrated G12 Evo, use distilled water, not tap water. TPS sell Quantum "Mixing water"

On 21/10/2020 at 10:42, Eric_DK said:

My Skoda Fabia registered at the end of August 2016 (model year 2017) was delivered to the dealer straight off the assembly line.

Earlier in this thread, I have described my experiences when the fuel leaked and the subsequent experience at the authorized dealer.

I received a copy of information about the manufacturer's work to resolve the problem.

The problem affects 1.2 TSI and 1.4 TSI engines (CZE*, CZD*, CHP*, CJZ*, CYV*)

New equipment was implemented in the producion process to automatically tighten the rail bolts in week 25 of 2018.

Sold vehicles with the problem need to have the rail, injection gaskets and all rail mounting bolts replaced.

The rail mounting bolts should be tightened to a torque of 10 Nm.

 

 

 

Hey @Eric_DK, I have private messaged you as well. We have this exact issue, fuel leaking, fuel rail bolt sheared. VW UK are refusing to help. We have evidence from the DVSA (Department for Vehicle Safety Agency) that VW know about this issue and they are monitoring it with DVSA. No recall as yet as the fuel leaks do not happen near an ignition or spark so they don't deem it a safety issue as yet (crazy). Anyway, irrelevant for us. We just want to prove that it is a factory fault so that VW will repair it for us. We are going to take them to court. We are busy gathering evidence and can see that you have some information about the production process (above). Are you able to share with us where this information came from? The more we can legitimise this the better for our case. Just so you know we plan to make our witness statement and case outcome available to everyone with this issue so that hopefully we can help them with the repairs they deserve as well. The more you can tell us the better, or even if you are happy to provide a statement for the court outing your experience and the information you have about the factory stuff that would be just so amazing! Let me know what you think....you (or anyone reading this with information, pictures, stories of the same issue) can email me at *****@*****.tld (Surrey, UK). Thanks soooo much! PS- I have attached the DVSA letter in case this helps others speak with their dealers / service centres (admitting that VW know about this fault). 

36948 221220 Review Outcome Letter.pdf

@Krissi, sorry to hear about this,  good luck!

 

Maybe startling to think that every driver must have a good sense of smell, maybe a new or upcoming condition for having a driving licence.

 

Same for "this leakage will get picked up eventually at service time", I don't think DSVA is up to doing their job.

40 minutes ago, rum4mo said:

@Krissi, sorry to hear about this,  good luck!

 

Maybe startling to think that every driver must have a good sense of smell, maybe a new or upcoming condition for having a driving licence.

 

Same for "this leakage will get picked up eventually at service time", I don't think DSVA is up to doing their job.

 

 

They are not and this is simply stupid.

 

Fuel leaking at High Pressure (HPP) does not need a close ignition source as it will fire everwhere.

 

Both our cars @ 5 years had the timing belts changed and no notice of the fault only weeks earlier.

Why would there be, is the operator going to look closely for a dodgy bolt.

No, they will in the US though as they will go through the defined procedure!

 

You believe in the USA there is a procedure to visually identify a "dodgy" bolt before it fails?

31 minutes ago, J.R. said:

You believe in the USA there is a procedure to visually identify a "dodgy" bolt before it fails?

 

In this exact fault, there is a known time frame for engine build, so in USA and I think Canada, all possibly affected engines, ie cars, are recalled also any cars stocked as trade in are being checked over, the minimum effort is to replace all 4 bolts and torque them up correctly where there is no sign of bolt failure.

 

So no real need to look out for or identify dodgy bolts - which probably don't exist, just wrongly torqued and then fracturing with time/injector pulsing ones.

Exactly rum4mo,

 

In North America the authorities decided to demand preventive measures , while VAG gets away with only fixing the problems which develop, at the customer's expense in other countries on other continents.

 

Best wishes for a happy New Year,

 

Eric

Yes, we are a very "easy" market to sell into, mind you, I'd think that USA mainly only attack foreign producers/companies as part of their "free and open" market approach.

As I was a teenager in the U.S. in the 1960's, groundwork for consumer protection of car owners was laid by a lawyer, Ralph Nader.

The Chevrolet Corvair, an American made compact car was the case that really got things going as far as vehicle safety goes.

So, I do doubt that only foreign cars are the primary targets for the safety authorities.

I also think the ability to sue the manufacture in the U.S. helps consumers.

 

Best regards,

 

Eric

14 hours ago, J.R. said:

You believe in the USA there is a procedure to visually identify a "dodgy" bolt before it fails?

 

No, there is a recall with a pre-defined procedure, perhaps check this before trying to make someone look silly?

 

At the very least the bolts are replaced and if a feeler gauge slips down between the head and fuel rail the lot is replaced including the injectors.

Thankyou for confirming that contrary to your posting there is not a defined procedure to look closely for a dodgy bolt.

 

Replacing the bolts makes absolute sense and I agree with you that VAG should have a recall to do so on all affected vehicles in all markets.

7 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Thankyou for confirming that contrary to your posting there is not a defined procedure to look closely for a dodgy bolt.

 

Replacing the bolts makes absolute sense and I agree with you that VAG should have a recall to do so on all affected vehicles in all markets.

 

 

Are you going out of your way to start an argument?

I'd expect more from someone with so many posts to a newer member!

 

OK, yes there is no way to spot a bolt that is going to snap other than the fact that there is a defined procedure in the US as per the VWAG document which was the point I was raising.

 

In the UK #ignore Wait for fault tell customer they have a big bill to pay.

 

In North America, #recall all cars, go through the procedure, change the bolts at least or depending on finding change the fuel rail, injectors bolts and all.

 

Point I made was it is ignored here in the UK and don't get me started on the bull that is the cam belts at 5 years from the VWAG dealers that then can't be inputted into erWin as VWAG don't actually recommend doing this!