My first post!

 

I hope to collect our new (to us) Kamiq 1.0 TSI 110 PS Monte Carlo next week, but I am asking the Skoda dealer to look at the rear discs and pads with a view to replacing them before we pick the car up. It is a September 2023 car with 2,856 miles on the clock. It is our first Skoda, but we had this issue with both of our Peugeot 2008's before the first year was up. It is not just the surface rust that worries me, but the swept area shows the pad is not contacting the whole of the disc. What would you expectations be? 

 

Cheers - Ian

 

 

 

 

What do you mean by 'not contacting the whole of the disc'? If you mean the swept area doesn't reach the edge of the disc, this is entirely normal. If the pads made contact right to the eg=dge, then it is possible for the pad to have an unworn edge, then, particularly on non-ventilated disc, it is possible for the pads to touch each other and for the brake to become less effective.

Thanks for the quick response. Yes, I guess that is what I meant, and what you say makes perfect sense. The front pads seem to go right to the edge of the (ventilated) disc, but the disc is wider, so I understand why now. Would you say I should not be too worried about the corrosion?

FWIW...

Mines an October 23 model MC and looks similar. They get such little use as most of the weight transfers to the front. I've taken to pulling the handbrake on when slowing down every so often as it cleans then up a treat.

The Kamiq I bought 2 months ago apparently had rear rusty discs and past their best, they were changed before I took  delivery. The new ones are swept by the pads almost to the edge of the disc all but for around approx 3 mm. This is on a car that's done 18k miles, and nearly 4 years old. You'd expect better quality materials used but apparently they aren't very good on Skoda now and rust easily.

I'd also expect that dealer will replace and at the same time clean up those alloys, seemed only cleaned where you can notice.

My replacements......

 

 

 

Edited 16 June, 20241 yr by MickA

Had much the same with both my rears, bought the car from the main dealers here in Norwich,  said that rusty rear discs caused because when braking the fronts use 70% and rears 30% of braking force.

 

Car had done 5435 miles in 6 months when I bought it, have attached pic I kept,

 

Dealer had it in for a day,  told me the'd taken both discs off and cleaned them up. Just had a look, in same condition as pic, ( speedo now on 7123 miles )

Edited 16 June, 20241 yr by stepdey
incorrect mileage

This request to replace the rear discs and pads could have worked if you had it a condition on buying that car at the agreed price, now as you seem to have agreed the price, I would not expect that dealer to be willing to spend any of their money on it now.

 

As said earlier, rear discs on these cars do or can end up in that condition easily, if/when you replace these discs(and get new pads), if you chose say Pagid discs, then I'd expect that they would not "blacken up" quite as quickly as the original Skoda discs.

 

My oldest daughter's May 2019 SEAT Leon Cupra has horrible looking black rear discs, and I've already had to replace the rear brake pads as they wear down quickly probably due to the enhanced braking safety functions on that car, right now its mileage is only roughly 24,000 miles, my youngest daughter's May 2019 SEAT Arona 1.0TSI 115PS also has horrible black rear discs and well used rear pads at roughly 31,000 miles - if possible, I'd like to replace her car's rear discs and pads if/when they visit us, MOT testers have not yet made any comments on the state of these rear discs on either car as they probably know that they will still still function as intended - and there is a lot of it about due to the reasons given already.

 

Good Luck with getting that dealer to replace them probably using aftermarket brands, like Pagid, before you collect it though! (if you don't ask you don't get)

Car probably been sat on the pitch for weeks or months, not even moved. Once you start to drive it on a daily basis the discs will soon clean up.

I had to replace the rear discs on my Kamiq at less than 20K miles. Are lot's of reports on here of similar stories and it seems the original Skoda discs are very poor quality, so don't build up your hopes that use will improve things. Mine certainly didn't get any better with use. I replaced mine with Brembo ones and they have stayed fine just as you would expect. 

What made you replace them? Were they worn down to their limit or was it just that you noticed they were rusty? As others have posted a few hard stops clears that up. My Kamiq is now 18 months old and the discs are perfect.

Must also add to my post above, the fronts were not looking good either but acceptable when I bought the car. I've since changed the fronts myself for Brembo, I've used this brand on other cars.

Never had an auto car before I guess they are heavy on brake wear, especially fronts, time will tell. The rears though on mine and others I've read deteriorate (rust) because poor quality materials rather than lack of braking power to clean them off. Yes heavy braking will 'clean up' the discs if rusted from the car standing but the discs fitted to these Skoda are or seem poor quality to start with.

My karoo got advisories on its recent mot for all 4 discs being rusty.after inspecting them myself I have ordered new discs and pads for the front and going to leave the back. I live about 100 yards from the sea, and every car I have ever owned here has rusty discs after being parked overnight.my front pads are quite worn hence changing the fronts, but the rear pads are fine, so they will stay. I'm not going to the expense of changing them just for surface rust to reappear almost instantly.

It's nothing to do with the quality of the brakes, it's short trips and cars being stood about not doing the miles. Also people don't get their brakes serviced, which they should do every year or 2 in my opinion as a professional.

On 17/06/2024 at 06:22, sussamb said:

What made you replace them? Were they worn down to their limit or was it just that you noticed they were rusty? As others have posted a few hard stops clears that up. My Kamiq is now 18 months old and the discs are perfect.

The car was just over a year old when I bought it and the discs were quite rusty on the back. The pads were just using a thin strip in the centre of the disc. The dealers said they were "acceptable" but I didn't think they were. There are plenty of other posts on here with people having the same problem with their Kamiq at low mileages. My previous Skoda still had it's original discs at 124K miles. I decided to replace the discs and pads myself, as it is relatively easy to do if you are mechanically savvy, and avoid using Skoda parts. Since I have replaced them with some decent quality discs they have been fine. The quality of the metal on the original discs was very grainy and just looked poor. 

19 hours ago, Blue8793841 said:

It's nothing to do with the quality of the brakes, it's short trips and cars being stood about not doing the miles. Also people don't get their brakes serviced, which they should do every year or 2 in my opinion as a professional.

I can't agree with you on your first point, they seem poorer quality than I'd expect on a car, new or otherwise.

Yes many owners who visit dealers for servicing or wherever don't always get a brake service each year, it's probably not on the service schedule to actually strip/clean and thoroughly check annually anyway.

I've asked for dealers to actually remove the wheels and do the above in the past, not carried out,  just a visual check.

I don't use dealers anymore, got a local go to garage for stuff I can't handle, brakes I can replace myself ATM, they get a proper check annually.

Edited 18 June, 20241 yr by MickA

I did brake discs on a Renault scenic years ago, literally polished all the surfaces, hub and pad housings. Put non coated cheap discs on and they were still on the car when the customer sold it 6 years later.

On 17/06/2024 at 18:44, Blue8793841 said:

It's nothing to do with the quality of the brakes, it's short trips and cars being stood about not doing the miles. Also people don't get their brakes serviced, which they should do every year or 2 in my opinion as a professional.

Absolutely, I’m frankly bored of seeing umpteen posts about disc corrosion when actually 99% of it is normal vag characteristics.  Literally seconds after you drive the car again and use the brakes the so called “rust” has gone.  
 

It’s normal.  I’ve had VAG cars for more years than I can be bothered to remember and not once have I ever faced near death because of a bit of surface rust.

 

Chill, Jesus😂

12 hours ago, carefree said:

Absolutely, I’m frankly bored of seeing umpteen posts about disc corrosion when actually 99% of it is normal vag characteristics.  Literally seconds after you drive the car again and use the brakes the so called “rust” has gone.  

 

Exactly. It was the same on my Ford Focus that I swapped for a Kamiq when it was 10 years old, around 65K miles and still on its original disks with plenty of meat left on them. A little bit of surface 'rust' is normal if the car has been standing and its wet, clears after you use the brakes.

On 17/06/2024 at 18:44, Blue8793841 said:

It's nothing to do with the quality of the brakes, it's short trips and cars being stood about not doing the miles. Also people don't get their brakes serviced, which they should do every year or 2 in my opinion as a professional.

 

Well, in America GM had so many complaints about rusty "rotors" (discs)  they started fitting Ferretic Nitro-Carburizing (FNC) treated discs to all but the cheapest models.   They last longer and look better.

Well when I picked up our NEW Kamiq in 2021  I remarked about the rusty rear discs and the fact that they werent wearing smooth. Dealer wasnt amused and said they are normal.   Yeah right    Cheap chitty metal. After 7000km they  seem to look a lot better and car stops ok.

So the dealer was right then

The dealers will almost always try to upsell pads and disks. I have had the same conversation over the years with my Yeti and now with the Karoq and no doubt after a couple of years the Kamiq too. The disks are rarely worn badly although you do need to make sure that the brakes are working.